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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Mar 19 @ 8:00 PM ET
This brought to you by a severe lack of understanding of logic, similar to Tanner's complete failure to actually understand how research or the scientific method works.

"Anecdotal" evidence is not applicable to all situations. It is applicable to the situation it is describing. "When I put my dog in the pool, he sank and started drowning" is a perfectly good argument that your dog can't swim, despite it technically being anecdotal evidence. It's just not an argument that all dogs can't swim, because research is only applicable to the population or random sample of a population that it is done on. "When Gardiner was given Rielly's minutes, the results were poor" is a valid argument Gardiner can't handle Rielly's minutes. It's not a valid argument Gardiner can't handle anyone else's minutes.

- Antilles


You have to treat his blogs as entertaining, and just laugh at a lot of his arguments. Most of the stuff is only put out there to troll.

blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Mar 19 @ 8:06 PM ET
How about Mike Pence?

Emails!

And, before you freak out, yes, I know it's totally different.

- Wetbandit1

Pence had an unsecured server in his house and used it for all levels of classified email too? And he communicated with his campaign chief using that sever? With said chief using "password" as his password? Oh, oh. It's an epidemic! I should call 60 minutes. Oh, wait.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Mar 19 @ 8:39 PM ET
Pence had an unsecured server in his house and used it for all levels of classified email too? And he communicated with his campaign chief using that sever? With said chief using "password" as his password? Oh, oh. It's an epidemic! I should call 60 minutes. Oh, wait.
- blackhawk24


Who cares about email when the President is a Russian agent, the Vice President is a raging homophobe and the speaker of the house is moron?

At a certain point you just have to feel sorry for 60 million poor people who were duped into handing over what little they get back to the billionaire class.

Definition of irony: the people who do the most for the conservatives are the liberal commies they hate. If only Democrats had thought to co-opt Jesus for their own evil purposes, we'd probably all be better off.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Mar 19 @ 8:43 PM ET
Read what Antilles said. Please. Its not that conclusion(s) drawn are invalid, its what kind of conclusion drawn, which could be invalid. His dog explanation is a perfect example.

And for the record, I couldn't find a "Hillary should be executed for Treason t-shirt".

- blackhawk24



Oh my god. (Bangs head into wall).

Whatever dude. Seriously.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 19 @ 9:04 PM ET
James Tanner: PLUS/MINUS: 4 Months, Tons of Money and a Playoff Race for the Ages
Plus Minus is your Grandma's favorite weekly column.

- James_Tanner

Start smoking again.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Mar 19 @ 9:35 PM ET
Pence had an unsecured server in his house and used it for all levels of classified email too? And he communicated with his campaign chief using that sever? With said chief using "password" as his password? Oh, oh. It's an epidemic! I should call 60 minutes. Oh, wait.
- blackhawk24


Dude, it was a joke, hence the 3rd line. But he did have an unsecured email for official use. Yes, it's legal in Indiana, but they made such a gigantic deal out of the emails that it's kind of funny.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 19 @ 10:53 PM ET
Agree mostly about amateur sports, they deserve to be paid. I wouldn't go as crazy as people who watch them complicit though, it's not like they're Ivanka Trump...

Nobody gets paid if nobody watches so the fans should keep on watching, the teams just need to shell out to the players, there really is no argument why teams shouldn't other than they won't make as much money.Maybe fans need to voice their concern to teams and the NCAA.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:47 AM ET
Agree mostly about amateur sports, they deserve to be paid. I wouldn't go as crazy as people who watch them complicit though, it's not like they're Ivanka Trump...

Nobody gets paid if nobody watches so the fans should keep on watching, the teams just need to shell out to the players, there really is no argument why teams shouldn't other than they won't make as much money.Maybe fans need to voice their concern to teams and the NCAA.

- 13sundin13


Their argument is always "most schools don't make money" and that's true, most schools don't. The ones that do make money hand over fist. And because of the restrictions on what they can do with the money build obscene locker rooms that rival and even surpass NFL ones. Their other argument is which sports do you pay? What divisions? Do all teams in DI all deserve to be paid? Does a DI team with a football capacity of like 6,000 deserve the same amount as a team like Michigan that has a capacity of like 110,000?

They absolutely deserve to be paid. It's just so insanely complicated it will never happen. Like health care for everyone.

See hydrotherapy room a little past halfway down.

Their weight room alone is 37,000 sq/ft.

http://www.sbnation.com/c...ootball-building-pictures

You can look up other top schools locker rooms/lounges and they're plain absurd.

Here's Oregon's. Thanks Phil Knight!

Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Mar 20 @ 3:39 AM ET
Thanks for pointing out something that everyone knows. It is no more necessary to point out that anecdotal evidence is acceptable in some situation than it is to point out that air is necessary to breath, and that the sun is hot.

One game of Gardiner getting Rielly's minutes (which hilariously, are only slightly tougher) is an example of when anecdotal evidence fails us.

It happened once. It doesn't mean it will continue to happen.

- James_Tanner


You literally said anecdotal arguments are not arguments. A comment pointing out that's incorrect was completely called for, and suggesting it's saying something everyone knows when you specifically said the opposite to be true in the blog is just ridiculous.

"One game of Gardiner getting Rielly's minutes is an example of when anecdotal evidence fails us" is also a completely incorrect statement. The argument could be made it is too small of a sample size to accurately represent the average result. But that has absolutely nothing to do with it being anecdotal evidence. The word "anecdotal" has to do with the way the information is obtained, not the frequency with which it is obtained.

"Anecdotal arguments are not arguments" James Tanner, 3/19/2017
"Everyone knows anecdotal evidence is acceptable in certain situations" James Tanner, 3/19/2017

I love when, instead of just making a point, people try to be all condescending and smart and are still wrong.
- James_Tanner


That explains why "trying to be condescending and smart and is still wrong" is probably the best way to describe an average James Tanner blog.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 20 @ 6:23 AM ET
Their argument is always "most schools don't make money" and that's true, most schools don't. The ones that do make money hand over fist. And because of the restrictions on what they can do with the money build obscene locker rooms that rival and even surpass NFL ones. Their other argument is which sports do you pay? What divisions? Do all teams in DI all deserve to be paid? Does a DI team with a football capacity of like 6,000 deserve the same amount as a team like Michigan that has a capacity of like 110,000?

They absolutely deserve to be paid. It's just so insanely complicated it will never happen. Like health care for everyone.

See hydrotherapy room a little past halfway down.

Their weight room alone is 37,000 sq/ft.

http://www.sbnation.com/c...ootball-building-pictures

You can look up other top schools locker rooms/lounges and they're plain absurd.

Here's Oregon's. Thanks Phil Knight!


- Wetbandit1


In the end it's all about where the priorities are. With the amount of money they make, there's no reason why they couldn't sort something out if the priority was to get the athletes paid. Maybe not everyone gets paid the same or maybe teams have to share in revenues etc etc. Unfortunately the priority here is for the "amateur" teams to make the most money they can so there will always be reasons not to.

To your example, Universal healthcare works in many countries because the priority there is that everyone has basic human right to be covered so all the rules are put in place bend to that idea.
James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Mar 20 @ 9:14 AM ET
You literally said anecdotal arguments are not arguments. A comment pointing out that's incorrect was completely called for, and suggesting it's saying something everyone knows when you specifically said the opposite to be true in the blog is just ridiculous.

"One game of Gardiner getting Rielly's minutes is an example of when anecdotal evidence fails us" is also a completely incorrect statement. The argument could be made it is too small of a sample size to accurately represent the average result. But that has absolutely nothing to do with it being anecdotal evidence. The word "anecdotal" has to do with the way the information is obtained, not the frequency with which it is obtained.

"Anecdotal arguments are not arguments" James Tanner, 3/19/2017
"Everyone knows anecdotal evidence is acceptable in certain situations" James Tanner, 3/19/2017



That explains why "trying to be condescending and smart and is still wrong" is probably the best way to describe an average James Tanner blog.

- Antilles



OK bud
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Mar 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
Read what Antilles said. Please. Its not that conclusion(s) drawn are invalid, its what kind of conclusion drawn, which could be invalid. His dog explanation is a perfect example.

And for the record, I couldn't find a "Hillary should be executed for Treason t-shirt".

- blackhawk24


The "I'm with stupid" t-shirt is proper attire for a Drumpf rally.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Mar 20 @ 10:04 AM ET
Oh my god. (Bangs head into wall).

Whatever dude. Seriously.

- James_Tanner

Do it again. And again....

After that, take up smoking again.

Don't worry, the rest of us have your healthcare covered.

Have a nice day.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Mar 20 @ 10:24 AM ET
You literally said anecdotal arguments are not arguments. A comment pointing out that's incorrect was completely called for, and suggesting it's saying something everyone knows when you specifically said the opposite to be true in the blog is just ridiculous.

"One game of Gardiner getting Rielly's minutes is an example of when anecdotal evidence fails us" is also a completely incorrect statement. The argument could be made it is too small of a sample size to accurately represent the average result. But that has absolutely nothing to do with it being anecdotal evidence. The word "anecdotal" has to do with the way the information is obtained, not the frequency with which it is obtained.

"Anecdotal arguments are not arguments" James Tanner, 3/19/2017
"Everyone knows anecdotal evidence is acceptable in certain situations" James Tanner, 3/19/2017



That explains why "trying to be condescending and smart and is still wrong" is probably the best way to describe an average James Tanner blog.

- Antilles

Next he will pull out the, "I have an M.A." argument. That and $5 gets you a Starbucks.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Mar 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
Who cares about email when the President is a Russian agent, the Vice President is a raging homophobe and the speaker of the house is moron?

At a certain point you just have to feel sorry for 60 million poor people who were duped into handing over what little they get back to the billionaire class.

Definition of irony: the people who do the most for the conservatives are the liberal commies they hate. If only Democrats had thought to co-opt Jesus for their own evil purposes, we'd probably all be better off.

- James_Tanner


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ur07OFbHs9c
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Mar 20 @ 10:52 AM ET
I believe that 3 on 3 OT is pretty much trading chances till someone scores and thus completely random. Leafs aren't the only team getting unlucky - a few teams every year will be unlucky, it's the nature of the sport.

You could also argue injuries are bad luck and that Tampa is the unluckiest team - I wouldn't disagree. Same with Florida.

Thing about the Leafs though - Matthews, Marner, Kadri on different lines with Nylaner and JVR to throw in there is just crazy. + fastest team in the NHL.

- James_Tanner

Sorry but the Penguins are still the fastest team in the NHL. The Leafs are lacking speed on the blueline. Plus the Penguins are fast on all 4 lines the Leafs are not.
Girouxsalem90
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Upstate, NY
Joined: 05.28.2013

Mar 20 @ 10:53 AM ET
Thanks for pointing out something that everyone knows. It is no more necessary to point out that anecdotal evidence is acceptable in some situation than it is to point out that air is necessary to breath, and that the sun is hot.

One game of Gardiner getting Rielly's minutes (which hilariously, are only slightly tougher) is an example of when anecdotal evidence fails us.

It happened once. It doesn't mean it will continue to happen.

I love when, instead of just making a point, people try to be all condescending and smart and are still wrong.

- James_Tanner

As someone who agrees with you on more things than most, I gotta say that's pretty much all you do.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Mar 20 @ 11:03 AM ET
OK bud
- james_tanner1

James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Mar 20 @ 1:08 PM ET
As someone who agrees with you on more things than most, I gotta say that's pretty much all you do.
- Girouxsalem90



Well yeah, except I'm usually right when I do it.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:40 PM ET
No I definitely see the other side. I am only pointing out how arbitrary it is.
- James_Tanner

This isnt and its not.
The world cup isnt the olympics....end of story. sure the tourney can be similar and the the NHL will keep the cash, but at the end of the day...its not the OLYMPICS.
NHL wants to grow the game....world cup doesnt really do that. The Olympics could.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:45 PM ET
Not sure if you've noticed but every D on the Sens is on the wrong side of the shot clock except Widman ( and Claessen, not even sure he plays )

The only player that I would want on the Leafs is EK

Methot could replace Hunwick maybe...and we threw Phaneuf away for a reason.

Andersen is the only reason you guys have been winning...you're season/playoffs will live and die with Anderson IMO

( secretly I cheer for the Sens when the Leafs are out )


- Garnie

You WHAT!!!

Oh Im telling the leaf board!


No really, you cant be serious.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:51 PM ET
Read what Antilles said. Please. Its not that conclusion(s) drawn are invalid, its what kind of conclusion drawn, which could be invalid. His dog explanation is a perfect example.

And for the record, I couldn't find a "Trump should be executed for Treason t-shirt".

- blackhawk24

Im sure you'll find lots of them in every corner of the planet.
MrBeanTown
Boston Bruins
Location: Garth blogs make me regret my literacy, NF
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 20 @ 4:08 PM ET
Nintendo classic sold out really fast and Nintendo hasn't made any more yet.
- lplafrance


I have one and it's so good!!!
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Mar 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
3 games on the top pair and 3 games in a row on the wrong side of 50.

Probably just a coincidence...small sample I realize, but if it continued I'd hope you'd reconsider your stubborn stance on top pairing D.
James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Mar 21 @ 9:36 AM ET
3 games on the top pair and 3 games in a row on the wrong side of 50.

Probably just a coincidence...small sample I realize, but if it continued I'd hope you'd reconsider your stubborn stance on top pairing D.

- Garnie



2-0-1 since the change.
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