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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:05 PM ET
That's not bad considering Edlers -39 one season and Bo Horvat's career -40.
- bloatedmosquito


His advanced stats are worse. other than his first 40-50 games, he's been an AHL d-man
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:06 PM ET
this message will have a huge following on HB
- SMBDragon


sweet hockey talk bro
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:06 PM ET
Man...I really think Subban would get destroyed in the NHL. Physically and defensively. That being said, I want it to happed so we can all put this argument to bed. He was absolutely overwhelmed in the young stars tourney against guys his own age. I have only seen a few Utica games this year so I just go off Green's commentary.
- CanuckDon

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 15 @ 2:07 PM ET
it wasn't meant specifically at you.

just don't get the "he's a bust" or "let's trade him" talk. it honestly baffles me.

- RealityChecker

I agree. What is his trade value? A 4th round pick? Hang onto him and hope he improves in the minors.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:08 PM ET
I agree. What is his trade value? A 4th round pick? Hang onto him and hope he improves in the minors.
- CanuckDon


RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:09 PM ET
The infatuation is everytime a defenseman is injured there is a chorus calling for Subban to be called up. I guess you must overlook this or are not here when it happens.
I have never claimed that people say he is "a sur fire NHL'er". Never.

- Marwood

so people who want a top 20(?) points wise ahl dman to get a look in the bigs on a sh!tty team with a very sh!tty pp are ludicrous.... but labeling him a bust and saying you can't wait until he's traded is the reasonable approach.

got ya.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 15 @ 2:09 PM ET
sweet hockey talk bro
- WhiteLie


Yeah, this years picnic is going to be epic.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:12 PM ET
so people who want a top 20(?) points wise ahl dman to get a look in the bigs on a sh!tty team with a very sh!tty pp are ludicrous.... but labeling him a bust and saying you can't wait until he's traded is the reasonable approach.

got ya.

- RealityChecker

Not sure what you mean.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:13 PM ET
Yeah, this years picnic is going to be epic.
- bloatedmosquito

Can't wait!
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:13 PM ET
That's not bad considering Edlers -39 one season and Bo Horvat's career -40.
- bloatedmosquito

if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:13 PM ET
Not sure what you mean.
- Marwood

didn't think you would.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 15 @ 2:15 PM ET
if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.

- RealityChecker

Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:17 PM ET
didn't think you would.
- RealityChecker

Not fighting with you, I didn't really understand your last post. Feel free to clarify or we can agree to disagree and start discussing our favourite "Little Britian" episode.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:18 PM ET
if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.

- RealityChecker


He has Sutter platooned in a lot more d situations, but has definetly gotten better. Arguably the best young faceoff man in the league. Thanks Manny!!
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 15 @ 2:18 PM ET
if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.

- RealityChecker


I think we've gone over this scenario before. Situational hockey. Different players succeed in different situations. That's why we have "playoff performers" and "special team" players.

Give kids a shot during a meaningless season and you might be surprised in what you get. No different than taking a shot on someone like stecher.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:19 PM ET
Not fighting with you, I didn't really understand your last post. Feel free to clarify or we can agree to disagree and start discussing our favourite "Little Britian" episode.
- Marwood

you: other people want to see subban get a shot to see how he will do is total infatuation.... but saying that he's a bust and needs to get traded is reasonable.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:20 PM ET
Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
- CanuckDon


He stirs the pot. We all know about that.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:22 PM ET
He's nothing great. Not sure why all the hype all of a sudden.
His dad owns the whitecaps, must be using the press to get his kid a contract.

- Scooby_Doo



If he was drafted by NJ and didn't honor that and became a free agent I don't want him. I hate scum bags that do that
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:22 PM ET
Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
- CanuckDon

exactly.

i think he will be the perfect 2nd line (don't get too caught up on labels) centre. best case scenario is that he's kesler who better utilizes his linemates (and is a better teammate but that bar has already been surpassed).
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Mar 15 @ 2:23 PM ET
I declined.
- Marwood



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RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:24 PM ET
I think we've gone over this scenario before. Situational hockey. Different players succeed in different situations. That's why we have "playoff performers" and "special team" players.

Give kids a shot during a meaningless season and you might be surprised in what you get. No different than taking a shot on someone like stecher.

- bloatedmosquito

which is why trying to make the playoffs shouldn't be (have been) a priority.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:24 PM ET
Morning everyone, I'm leaving the country for 3 weeks, while I'm gone thundachunk will be in charge, so be good or he'll nail you with a thundachunk.

Bye

- Makita



Bring me back a gift
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:24 PM ET
Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
- CanuckDon

Bo needs a Great PK winger though. Tries to do too much on the PK sometimes.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
If he was drafted by NJ and didn't honor that and became a free agent I don't want him. I hate scum bags that do that
- VANTEL

i don't like it either but you have to make the team better. scumbags or not, the team needs talent and they can't afford to not take chances on guys.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
you: other people want to see subban get a shot to see how he will do is total infatuation.... but saying that he's a bust and needs to get traded is reasonable.
- RealityChecker

There is a bit of tongue & cheek in my responses about Subban. I ( me and MAYBE others) see an 'infatuation' when the Canucks need a D-man, so I react ( in my mind, with comic relief) by saying "Subban sucks". This is what I meant earlier by saying don't take me so seriously.
Mountain vs molehill.
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