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PhillySportsGuy
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Mar 14 @ 10:10 PM ET
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- YuenglingJagr


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Mononoke
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KINGKENZO
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Mar 14 @ 10:14 PM ET
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arichardson22
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Mar 14 @ 10:16 PM ET
Patrick, Hischier. Obviously going top 2. Then I have to imagine these guys surely go within the top 10 somewhere, maybe battling for top 5 even: Tippett, Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Heiskanen. Then these guys could all battle each other and those guys before them too: Makar, Glass, Pettersson, Liljegrin, Rasmussen, Tolvanen, Necas, Andersson. It's not crazy to see any of them get a top 10 spot, though I think some more likely than others. This draft could see some unpredictability for sure! There's a few in here I don't actually like that much (Tippett and Rasmussen mostly....I'll ignore d men too for the obvious), so it's not an endorsement listing them per se.

One of Pettersson, Necas, Glass are my favorites with maybe a reasonable chance to have one be there at 10-11. Should none be there? I do like Andersson and Tolvanen, and if we hang around where we are that might be worst case scenario, which isn't really worst case. I'd list Kailer Yamamoto, because I would take him up there, but he won't go up there so it's moot.

- Mononoke


Thanks for the response! I really haven't been able to pay much attention to this draft class between work and the media not giving it as much attention compared to recent years. Out of the guys you have mentioned, I've heard Rasmussen could be a guy that fools scouting or a team by his big size; it's tempting and attractive on paper. I've also heard A fair amount about Popugayev in the beginning of the season but seems his stock has dropped as the season moved on. If I'm not mistaken, seems that's been a slight trend with this class? Going to do some homework on the guys you mentioned so I can get a better idea on them. Thanks again
Mononoke
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Mar 14 @ 10:23 PM ET
Thanks for the response! I really haven't been able to pay much attention to this draft class between work and the media not giving it as much attention compared to recent years. Out of the guys you have mentioned, I've heard Rasmussen could be a guy that fools scouting or a team by his big size; it's tempting and attractive on paper. I've also heard A fair amount about Popugayev in the beginning of the season but seems his stock has dropped as the season moved on. If I'm not mistaken, seems that's been a slight trend with this class? Going to do some homework on the guys you mentioned so I can get a better idea on them. Thanks again
- arichardson22


Both kids are like 6'6", so small wonder they get brought up. Pop has completely fallen off after he was traded. There was some skepticism he was being carried by his teammates, and it may have been true. I haven't watched him a ton except at the top prospects game and the Russian series, but he really is kind of annoying. Just an inconsistent guy, surprisingly soft for a huge kid. He honestly could fall out of the 1st.

Rasmussen......I think he could go really high. Like he's not bad. He's just pretty average skilled, average skating, though he's a female dog down low, and he makes most of his money down there and in front of the net. Also, he's the worst scoring 5v5 top prospect. So he's basically a really good net front PP guy with a solid shot. He just really isn't that high ceiling on skills IMO, even if he could be solid enough in his role. I could very well see a team reaching on him. Hopefully not us because what I described is literally the last thing this team needs.
arichardson22
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Mar 14 @ 10:35 PM ET
Both kids are like 6'6", so small wonder they get brought up. Pop has completely fallen off after he was traded. There was some skepticism he was being carried by his teammates, and it may have been true. I haven't watched him a ton except at the top prospects game and the Russian series, but he really is kind of annoying. Just an inconsistent guy, surprisingly soft for a huge kid. He honestly could fall out of the 1st.

Rasmussen......I think he could go really high. Like he's not bad. He's just pretty average skilled, average skating, though he's a female dog down low, and he makes most of his money down there and in front of the net. Also, he's the worst scoring 5v5 top prospect. So he's basically a really good net front PP guy with a solid shot. He just really isn't that high ceiling on skills IMO, even if he could be solid enough in his role. I could very well see a team reaching on him. Hopefully not us because what I described is literally the last thing this team needs.

- Mononoke


Yeah I'll look at the mock drafts as a loose reference (like most sports) and Pop has gone from a 10 flirter to end of 1st or even early 2nd. Rasmussen has consistently stayed in top 10. But I feel like I remember you or somebody else saying his poor 5v5 production on here. And yeah agreed, spot on about him being opposite of what we need minus his size. But if he's just a net front pp guy we already have that and need that 5V5 production mostly.
Hokeeguy9
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Mar 15 @ 3:26 AM ET
Both kids are like 6'6", so small wonder they get brought up. Pop has completely fallen off after he was traded. There was some skepticism he was being carried by his teammates, and it may have been true. I haven't watched him a ton except at the top prospects game and the Russian series, but he really is kind of annoying. Just an inconsistent guy, surprisingly soft for a huge kid. He honestly could fall out of the 1st.

Rasmussen......I think he could go really high. Like he's not bad. He's just pretty average skilled, average skating, though he's a female dog down low, and he makes most of his money down there and in front of the net. Also, he's the worst scoring 5v5 top prospect. So he's basically a really good net front PP guy with a solid shot. He just really isn't that high ceiling on skills IMO, even if he could be solid enough in his role. I could very well see a team reaching on him. Hopefully not us because what I described is literally the last thing this team needs.

- Mononoke


Just woke up and read the last two pages of this thread. My first thought was.......Please get some speed on this team! We have too many slow turtles trying to move the puck up the ice. If you look at arguably the two top teams in the east (Washington and Pittsburgh), they move so fast, and create so many open lanes with their speed, that it creates numerous scoring opportunities. Just my humble opinion.
BiggE
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Mar 15 @ 7:38 AM ET
Patrick, Hischier. Obviously going top 2. Then I have to imagine these guys surely go within the top 10 somewhere, maybe battling for top 5 even: Tippett, Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Heiskanen. Then these guys could all battle each other and those guys before them too: Makar, Glass, Pettersson, Liljegrin, Rasmussen, Tolvanen, Necas, Andersson. It's not crazy to see any of them get a top 10 spot, though I think some more likely than others. This draft could see some unpredictability for sure! There's a few in here I don't actually like that much (Tippett and Rasmussen mostly....I'll ignore d men too for the obvious), so it's not an endorsement listing them per se.

One of Pettersson, Necas, Glass are my favorites with maybe a reasonable chance to have one be there at 10-11. Should none be there? I do like Andersson and Tolvanen, and if we hang around where we are that might be worst case scenario, which isn't really worst case. I'd list Kailer Yamamoto, because I would take him up there, but he won't go up there so it's moot.

- Mononoke

Pretty much agree with all of this. If we are sitting at 9-11, I'd still explore trading up for Vilardi. I'd really like to see someone in our top 6 with an overpowering shot.
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Mar 15 @ 7:39 AM ET
Getting the Pens after a day rest from a western Camnada trip, should be able to stay within 2-3 goals tonight and make it some what of a game
BiggE
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Mar 15 @ 8:20 AM ET
(frank) the Rangers!!

Just wanted to throw something out there that we can all agree with
JoeRussomanno
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Mar 15 @ 8:52 AM ET
(frank) the Rangers!!

Just wanted to throw something out there that we can all agree with

- BiggE

Cheers
dragonoffrost
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Mar 15 @ 8:53 AM ET
Just saw a mock that has us taking right handed D man Cal Foote at 11th overall. How would people here react to us taking yet another Day man in the first? I meanat that point you have to swap a D prospect for a forward prospect, right?
- hereticpride


If he's as good as his old man draft him if he's deemed best available when picking.
arichardson22
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Mar 15 @ 8:59 AM ET
If he's as good as his old man draft him if he's deemed best available when picking.
- dragonoffrost


Saw same mock. Here's the draft description/explanation:

"The Philadelphia Flyers have done a great job rebuilding their back end with recent draftees Ivan Provorov and Shayne Gostisbehere, among others, but they need right-handed defense badly. They also need a defender who specializes on the defensive side of the game — a lot of their current defensemen are big point-producers, so they need a big, defensively-capable guy.

Cal Foote fits the bill for exactly what they need. A true two-way defender, the natural righty is the perfect addition to the Flyers’ young defense core."

Only question is, who's the odd d prospect out? I would assume one would be moved if we got him. Even this season and last season people have discussed trading one.
YuenglingJagr
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Mar 15 @ 9:04 AM ET
Saw same mock. Here's the draft description/explanation:

"The Philadelphia Flyers have done a great job rebuilding their back end with recent draftees Ivan Provorov and Shayne Gostisbehere, among others, but they need right-handed defense badly. They also need a defender who specializes on the defensive side of the game — a lot of their current defensemen are big point-producers, so they need a big, defensively-capable guy.

Cal Foote fits the bill for exactly what they need. A true two-way defender, the natural righty is the perfect addition to the Flyers’ young defense core."

Only question is, who's the odd d prospect out? I would assume one would be moved if we got him. Even this season and last season people have discussed trading one.

- arichardson22


having too many good NHL defensemen would be a very weird problem to have
MJL
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Mar 15 @ 9:07 AM ET
Saw same mock. Here's the draft description/explanation:

"The Philadelphia Flyers have done a great job rebuilding their back end with recent draftees Ivan Provorov and Shayne Gostisbehere, among others, but they need right-handed defense badly. They also need a defender who specializes on the defensive side of the game — a lot of their current defensemen are big point-producers, so they need a big, defensively-capable guy.

Cal Foote fits the bill for exactly what they need. A true two-way defender, the natural righty is the perfect addition to the Flyers’ young defense core."

Only question is, who's the odd d prospect out? I would assume one would be moved if we got him. Even this season and last season people have discussed trading one.

- arichardson22



Sam Morin fits the bill as a player who specializes in the defensive side, although he is a lefty. I wouldn't draft a player because he is a righty. Flyers also don't draft by need, they draft by BPA.
dragonoffrost
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Mar 15 @ 9:08 AM ET
Saw same mock. Here's the draft description/explanation:

"The Philadelphia Flyers have done a great job rebuilding their back end with recent draftees Ivan Provorov and Shayne Gostisbehere, among others, but they need right-handed defense badly. They also need a defender who specializes on the defensive side of the game — a lot of their current defensemen are big point-producers, so they need a big, defensively-capable guy.

Cal Foote fits the bill for exactly what they need. A true two-way defender, the natural righty is the perfect addition to the Flyers’ young defense core."

Only question is, who's the odd d prospect out? I would assume one would be moved if we got him. Even this season and last season people have discussed trading one.

- arichardson22


Hagg or Sanheim. I keep Morin to give us 2 solid Defensive D men.

I loved Adam Foote's game with the Avs. And that writeup says he's projected to be like Dad.
arichardson22
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Mar 15 @ 9:08 AM ET
having too many good NHL defensemen would be a very weird problem to have
- YuenglingJagr


I'm not saying we need to but when you have a major position of strength like that, and we are desperately in need of scoring/skill in the forward core, you have to consider moving one. Provy, Ghost, Morin, Sanheim, Hagg, Myers, Foote. Assuming they all make the big club eventually, Foote would be our 7th d prospect.
dragonoffrost
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Mar 15 @ 9:10 AM ET
I'm not saying we need to but when you have a major position of strength like that, and we are desperately in need of scoring/skill in the forward core, you have to consider moving one. Provy, Ghost, Morin, Sanheim, Hagg, Myers, Foote. Assuming they all make the big club eventually, Foote would be our 7th d prospect.
- arichardson22


Friedman and Wilcox also.
arichardson22
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Mar 15 @ 9:12 AM ET
Friedman and Wilcox also.
- dragonoffrost


Wanted to add saying and that's not even counting other guys who aren't talked about as much compared to the 6 I listed.
dragonoffrost
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Mar 15 @ 9:19 AM ET
Wanted to add saying and that's not even counting other guys who aren't talked about as much compared to the 6 I listed.
- arichardson22


I mention those two since they seem to be our Right handed prospects.
arichardson22
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Mar 15 @ 9:20 AM ET
Just to clarify, I personally don't want to draft Foote as my first choice... I was only adding onto the commentary about the mock draft because I saw it too. But if he's BPA I have no issue with his selection.
dragonoffrost
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Mar 15 @ 9:23 AM ET
Just to clarify, I personally don't want to draft Foote as my first choice... I was only adding onto the commentary about the mock draft because I saw it too. But if he's BPA I have no issue with his selection.
- arichardson22


Exactly. BPA you take him and pray he's as good as his dad. Otherwise you go BPA.
arichardson22
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Mar 15 @ 9:26 AM ET
Exactly. BPA you take him and pray he's as good as his dad. Otherwise you go BPA.
- dragonoffrost


I just hope for the kid's sake he's not immediately compared to his father on draft day like Luke Schenn was.
dragonoffrost
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Mar 15 @ 9:27 AM ET
I just hope for the kid's sake he's not immediately compared to his father on draft day like Luke Schenn was.
- arichardson22


I hate to say it but I expect that

Nolan Patrick has it easy... his uncle was the better family member in the NHL
arichardson22
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Mar 15 @ 9:30 AM ET
I hate to say it but I expect that
- dragonoffrost


Yeah it doesn't help he's a dman like his dad

The other son Nolan won't have that. He's a winger elgible for 2019 draft.
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