I still love the secret stats idea
- PhillySportsGuy

I've got just the guy...

Meh. I just think you're kind of a loser brah. Love ya sometimes, but its just weird. Really weird.

Too 'into it'. Cry when folks call you or the team out, but the first to jump in. By all means. The passive aggressive game is honestly what I expect out of 17 year old high school chicks. I dont respect dudes like that.
- flyer_nutter

- PhillySportsGuy

Tons of information from reliable sources out there to educate oneself. I know some can't bear to understand that the information fans have access to is archaic and not really that good compared to what NHL teams have access to because it takes away from the narratives that they want to offer.

I've got just the guy...

- YuenglingJagr

And that data scientist is a good boy!

Tons of information from reliable sources out there to educate oneself. I know some can't bear to understand that the information fans have access to is archaic and not really that good compared to what NHL teams have access to because it takes away from the narratives that they want to offer.
- MJL

Tons of information from reliable sources out there to educate oneself. I know some can't bear to understand that the information fans have access to is archaic and not really that good compared to what NHL teams have access to because it takes away from the narratives that they want to offer.
- MJL

You have no idea

You have no idea
- PhillySportsGuy

If that was true, you'd be responding differently.

http://www.cbssports.com/...alytics-give-team-leg-up/


“What we do is different,” Bowman told the Sun-Times. “I think it’s better, but I guess it’s a matter of opinion. It’s also a competitive advantage. That stuff’s readily available, but what we have is more proprietary. Which is why I’m really trying not to talk about it. I think what we do gives us an advantage over other teams. They might say I’m wrong, but we’re pretty confident that what we have works.”

Meh.

I think the folks that can't handle any criticism. Whatever, its a message board.

Go Flyerzzzz, superfans unite. People need to calm down. Its weird.
- flyer_nutter

I have no problem criticizing moves. No GM makes every right move. People are way over the top with the ridiculousness at times. the 7 pages of female doging about PEB is mind boggling. what hey like you said, meh

Any knowledgeable fan has no problem with legitimate and reasonable criticism, and there certainly are some. It's the babble which is what 90% or so of the criticism levied against both Hakstol and to a lesser extent Hextall, that I find issue with.
- MJL

Ahhh, so you are the grandmaster to determine who has the credibility to criticize the team, GM and coach?

WTF!??!??

How arrogant. How condescending.

However, looking at the way you talk to the posters here, it fits like a glove.

Ahhh, so you are the grandmaster to determine who has the credibility to criticize the team, GM and coach?

WTF!??!??

How arrogant. How condescending.

However, looking at the way you talk to the posters here, it fits like a glove.
- ggunky

I have not at any time judged anyone's credibility to offer criticism, only offered opinions in rebuttal to opinions offered. We're all just posters on a message board. As an example of the criticism of Hakstol that I find ridiculous is the incessant criticism of the line combinations that he has used. As if there is a miracle and magic line combinations that are obvious that he refuses to use. I have no doubt that if he was actually using the line combinations that some suggest to the same results, another set of magic lines would just be suggested and Hakstol criticized for not using that. The bottom line is that there are roster issues with this team, and a coach only has the use of the players that are available to him. With the way that most of the team has played, there is no set of line combos that the coach can use, that will solve the issues the Flyers have. They just don't have the players.

If that was true, you'd be responding differently.

http://www.cbssports.com/...alytics-give-team-leg-up/


“What we do is different,” Bowman told the Sun-Times. “I think it’s better, but I guess it’s a matter of opinion. It’s also a competitive advantage. That stuff’s readily available, but what we have is more proprietary. Which is why I’m really trying not to talk about it. I think what we do gives us an advantage over other teams. They might say I’m wrong, but we’re pretty confident that what we have works.”
- MJL

You do know what makes something proprietary, right? If I invented a stat called GVDVSWOTTPWHS(Goals VDV Scored WithOut Touching The Puck With His Stick) and then got hired by the Flyers under the condition that my stats were now only for them to use, it would be a proprietary stat.

The Flyers are an NHL team, but they aren't allowed to use Stan Bowman's proprietary stat.

It really is just hilarious you try to use that as an argument to decide what stats can and can't be used. Any stat can be used incorrectly or taken out of context. Any team can think a stat they track gives them an advantage, but that isn't a guarantee.

Just saw a mock that has us taking right handed D man Cal Foote at 11th overall. How would people here react to us taking yet another Day man in the first? I meanat that point you have to swap a D prospect for a forward prospect, right?

You do know what makes something proprietary, right? If I invented a stat called GVDVSWOTTPWHS(Goals VDV Scored WithOut Touching The Puck With His Stick) and then got hired by the Flyers under the condition that my stats were now only for them to use, it would be a proprietary stat.
- YuenglingJagr

Yes, I'm perfectly aware of what makes something proprietary. Thanks.

I have not at any time judged anyone's credibility to offer criticism, only offered opinions in rebuttal to opinions offered. We're all just posters on a message board. As an example of the criticism of Hakstol that I find ridiculous is the incessant criticism of the line combinations that he has used. As if there is a miracle and magic line combinations that are obvious that he refuses to use. I have no doubt that if he was actually using the line combinations that some suggest to the same results, another set of magic lines would just be suggested and Hakstol criticized for not using that. The bottom line is that there are roster issues with this team, and a coach only has the use of the players that are available to him. With the way that most of the team has played, there is no set of line combos that the coach can use, that will solve the issues the Flyers have. They just don't have the players.
- MJL

SO WHAT!!! So someone wants a different player to play or a different player to play on a different line.

I prefer to hear EVERYONES POV. I don't want us all in agreement and all agreeing.

I don't agree with everyone and i don't disagree with everyone. But, you come across as all knowing and, like your previous post came across, the Grand Master of what is right and what is allowed.

You do know what makes something proprietary, right? If I invented a stat called GVDVSWOTTPWHS(Goals VDV Scored WithOut Touching The Puck With His Stick) and then got hired by the Flyers under the condition that my stats were now only for them to use, it would be a proprietary stat.
- YuenglingJagr

NHL teams know so much more than whats readily available. That's why they hire those people and have their sites shut down.

NHL teams know so much more than whats readily available. That's why they hire those people and have their sites shut down.
- PhillySportsGuy

Why would they hire someone if they're just going to use what is readily and publicly available? Why not just log onto that person's website every day? Sites are shut down because it would be a conflict of interest to continue.

Just saw a mock that has us taking right handed D man Cal Foote at 11th overall. How would people here react to us taking yet another Day man in the first? I meanat that point you have to swap a D prospect for a forward prospect, right?
- hereticpride

Well everyone besides Provorov is a bust, so it is good to get more

SO WHAT!!! So someone wants a different player to play or a different player to play on a different line.

I prefer to hear EVERYONES POV. I don't want us all in agreement and all agreeing.

I don't agree with everyone and i don't disagree with everyone. But, you come across as all knowing and, like your previous post came across, the Grand Master of what is right and what is allowed.
- ggunky

It's more about the narrative that the coach is an idiot because of the line combos, and the idea that changing line combos is somehow going to magically fix the Flyers issues. I think those who claim that the coach doesn't know what he is doing, and is not a good coach are those that come across as all knowing. I'm not that, I confront that.

NHL teams know so much more than whats readily available. That's why they hire those people and have their sites shut down.
- PhillySportsGuy

Which still doesn't preclude them from being picky and choosy with the stats THEY want to hear, or telling the stats guys what THEY want them to deem important, like a statistical confirmation bias. Having something and using something are two different things. So are using something and using it well.

Which still doesn't preclude them from being picky and choosy with the stats THEY want to hear, or telling the stats guys what THEY want them to deem important, like a statistical confirmation bias. Having something and using something are two different things. So are using something and using it well.
- Mononoke

Completely agree, and we see that on the fan level all the time.

Why would they hire someone if they're just going to use what is readily and publicly available? Why not just log onto that person's website every day? Sites are shut down because it would be a conflict of interest to continue.
- MJL

I am sure they don't get hired to do something they weren't already doing!

I don't think anyone has ever said that they don't spend more time and effort evaluating the statistics of a hockey game and which are best. No one is denying that. There is just one person denying that stats available to the public are useful, that they can be used in context, or even as a way of evaluating players. Just because someone doesn't work for a hockey team doesn't exclude them from having an opinion on hockey players

I am sure they don't get hired to do something they weren't already doing!

I don't think anyone has ever said that they don't spend more time and effort evaluating the statistics of a hockey game and which are best. No one is denying that. There is just one person denying that stats available to the public are useful.
- YuenglingJagr

If you're referring to me and that I'm denying that stats available to the public are useful, you're completely wrong. I use them all the time as a supplement to watching the game. I look at shot and possession data after every Flyers period and after every game. I've made numerous posts today using public statistical data to help form an opinion on players or a team.

If you're referring to me and that I'm denying that stats available to the public are useful, you're completely wrong. I use them all the time as a supplement to watching the game. I look at shot and possession data after every Flyers period and after every game. I've made numerous posts today using public statistical data to help form an opinion on players or a team.
- MJL

Ahh okay I guess it's just stats that reflect poorly on certain players. Whatever. Keep on doing you

Ahh okay I guess it's just stats that reflect poorly on certain players. Whatever. Keep on doing you
- YuenglingJagr

Well to be clear, I use the stats to help show me what has happened in a game. As an example, in the Columbus game, eye test told me that Columbus was dominating the puck and playing in the Flyers end the majority of time at 5 on 5. The shot data confirmed that, and which lines or defense pairings were being outplayed. It's a team game. Can't confuse team stats for individual player stats. That's where the issue are, and how bias and bad conclusions can come into play. I use them to help show me what has happened, not why, or using them to say this player is a good player or a bad player.

Ahh okay I guess it's just stats that reflect poorly on certain players. Whatever. Keep on doing you
- YuenglingJagr

There's a big difference between having data and implementing data into your decisions. I would bet the Flyers pay very little attention to data during their evaluations.