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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:05 PM ET
Free agency is a money pit and should only be used to fortify the bottom of the roster or take a chance on a buy low candidate. If you're hoping to sign a player in free agency who will be one of the 5 best players on your team, you've already (frank)ed up.
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree with the basic premise, but carried too far. Hossa was a big part of Cup teams in Chicago, signed as a free agent. Not the best way to build a team, but a key player can be obtained through free agency. Still need the core behind it to succeed.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:06 PM ET
We have enough statistical evidence to know that if you had seen games your code would've prompted a different response like "your assumption is wrong" or "that is incorrect"

#fancystats The response you seek was given to someone who can have a conversation

- YuenglingJagr


Exactly what I'm talking about!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 14 @ 4:06 PM ET
You are on point today!

Killing it!


- ggunky

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 14 @ 4:08 PM ET
The crazy in this place is sometimes just....WOW
- dragonoffrost

agreed. there are concerns about who he favors for the bottom of the roster, but my hope is that there will be too many good players to choose from to have that be a problem. the drafting is the most important thing for the team right now and I think he has done a fantastic job (along with the Myers/Lyon signings)
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 14 @ 4:09 PM ET
I agree with the basic premise, but carried too far. Hossa was a big part of Cup teams in Chicago, signed as a free agent. Not the best way to build a team, but a key player can be obtained through free agency. Still need the core behind it to succeed.
- MJL


The only reason the Hawks could afford Hossa was because of the back diving deal
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:09 PM ET
Filppula can play wing but Schenn plays better at center imo. Either way I would want that group as my top six. Schenn top line with 93 and 28 Filppula with 11 and 17

I am just saying Hakstol has had Konecny on the fourth line, ffs, he must have read HB and moved him up , lol The pp is so predictable it is no wonder they can not generate anymore. Giroux has no time to let it go anymore, why not try shooting from the right wing once in awhile. Try having two different pp set ups and practice them well so you can shake it up during the game. This repetition of plays does not work in the nhl, teams are wise and know what to do against the flyers. Think out of the box.
Finally I want to say that all of us Flyers fans are proud fans and we all want better results to keep with Flyer tradition. I only comment to generate ideas, some good and some not so good but at least I try. So not trying to make enemies or stir trouble but throwing constructive ideas out there. About Hakstol, he may be a great guy and person but I do not think he deserves his job at this point. Cheers.

- joegreif17


Schenn is better at wing in my opinion, and Filppula is a better 2 way player. The PP comes down to execution not predictability. Giroux leads the NHL in PP points, and Simmonds and Schenn are 1-2 in PP goals. Having a young player play some on the 4th line when breaking in, is not unusual. Richards and Carter spent time in the 4th line when they were young. I understand your frustration.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 4:10 PM ET
Team Negative approves of this response always and forever...

Poutine!

- opeth_pa


Can I be appointed Captain of Team Negative? I'd like to take on Team Delusional in a battle of good vs. evil.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Mar 14 @ 4:10 PM ET
Schenn is better at wing in my opinion, and Filppula is a better 2 way player. The PP comes down to execution not predictability. Giroux leads the NHL in PP points, and Simmonds and Schenn are 1-2 in PP goals. Having a young player play some on the 4th line when breaking in, is not unusual. Richards and Carter spent time in the 4th line when they were young. I understand your frustration.
- MJL


TK was also coming off an injury
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 14 @ 4:11 PM ET
The only reason the Hawks could afford Hossa was because of the back diving deal
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah...signed under a different CBA
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:11 PM ET
The only reason the Hawks could afford Hossa was because of the back diving deal
- PhillySportsGuy


Agreed, same with the Keith deal. They've also had to move some good players for cap issues. It's hard to do as your team gets better, and players are paid more. Can't completely rule out using free agency to add a top player if the situation is right.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Mar 14 @ 4:14 PM ET
Schenn is better at wing in my opinion, and Filppula is a better 2 way player. The PP comes down to execution not predictability. Giroux leads the NHL in PP points, and Simmonds and Schenn are 1-2 in PP goals. Having a young player play some on the 4th line when breaking in, is not unusual. Richards and Carter spent time in the 4th line when they were young. I understand your frustration.
- MJL


Filppula is definetly not saviour, lol He is a talented player that plays kind of soft for the most part, is on decline and is streaky at best. But when you look at our roster, wow not much to choose from for top six. Filppula would be a good 3c but that is Couters, lol Anyway, I would love to see Hakstol succeed and make me eat my words and I would as long as the team starts winning.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 14 @ 4:20 PM ET
Yeah...signed under a different CBA
- YuenglingJagr


Exactly. There's no way to deplete the salary. You're paying top dollar for a guy in his late 20s/early 30s and hoping, against all odds, he sustains that high level of play.

It's hard for most people to comprehend, but the guy you're signing is almost always past his prime. You're just hoping he doesn't decline rapidly.

Since the new CBA, the bust rate on those long-term deals seems pretty high.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:21 PM ET
Can I be appointed Captain of Team Negative? I'd like to take on Team Delusional in a battle of good vs. evil.
- PLindbergh31

opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:21 PM ET
Can I be appointed Captain of Team Negative? I'd like to take on Team Delusional in a battle of good vs. evil.
- PLindbergh31



LOL! Yes, you are the genesis of Team Negative..
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:22 PM ET
Exactly. There's no way to deplete the salary. You're paying top dollar for a guy in his late 20s/early 30s and hoping, against all odds, he sustains that high level of play.

It's hard for most people to comprehend, but the guy you're signing is almost always past his prime. You're just hoping he doesn't decline rapidly.

Since the new CBA, the bust rate on those long-term deals seems pretty high.

- PhillySportsGuy

Haters gon hate, players gon play.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 14 @ 4:22 PM ET
Exactly. There's no way to deplete the salary. You're paying top dollar for a guy in his late 20s/early 30s and hoping, against all odds, he sustains that high level of play.

It's hard for most people to comprehend, but the guy you're signing is almost always past his prime. You're just hoping he doesn't decline rapidly.

Since the new CBA, the bust rate on those long-term deals seems pretty high.

- PhillySportsGuy

Also changed who was available to FA and when they are available, which you hit on when you said they will almost always be past their prime. A big name guy is pretty much a guarantee
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:24 PM ET
If by stars, you mean City of Stars sung by Ryan Gosling, it's always that type of day




- Mononoke

The only City of Stars that matters is performed by Logic
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM ET

- JoeRussomanno


You and Nutter are my Alternate Captains! Much stronger than that stiff Bellemare!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM ET
Free agency is a money pit and should only be used to fortify the bottom of the roster or take a chance on a buy low candidate. If you're hoping to sign a player in free agency who will be one of the 5 best players on your team, you've already (frank)ed up.
- PhillySportsGuy



it may work to a degree short term but inevitably it ends of being a bad thing because you usually have to overpay for too many years.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM ET
Alex Ovetchkin will not reach 40 this season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:28 PM ET
Exactly. There's no way to deplete the salary. You're paying top dollar for a guy in his late 20s/early 30s and hoping, against all odds, he sustains that high level of play.

It's hard for most people to comprehend, but the guy you're signing is almost always past his prime. You're just hoping he doesn't decline rapidly.

Since the new CBA, the bust rate on those long-term deals seems pretty high.

- PhillySportsGuy


A player can be past his prime, and still be a very good player. It's not the way to build your team, due to the cap, but there is no doubt that if the right situation presents itself, you can add a key player. I agree completely with your overall point that the risk is high, but if you feel you're one player away, it's a risk that most GM's would take.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:29 PM ET
Alex Ovetchkin will not reach 40 this season.
- SuperSchennBros

The first year he's ever been on my fantasy team
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 14 @ 4:31 PM ET
Also changed who was available to FA and when they are available, which you hit on when you said they will almost always be past their prime. A big name guy is pretty much a guarantee
- YuenglingJagr


Well, it appears my hot take of "having big money to spend in free agency is almost useless" is actually not that hot at all. I was going to tie it in with a nice "trading Giroux to clear cap space is worthless because UFA is a money pit anyway" but I don't even think I need to do that anymore.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:33 PM ET
Alex Ovetchkin will not reach 40 this season.
- SuperSchennBros

Neither will Bellemare. We're (frank)ed.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:37 PM ET
we are going build thru drafting and developing....cool . 3 drafts later in which 2 kids are ALREADY in the NHL and we should be firing Hextall. awesome
- nastyflyergirl


Hextall takes the farm system from a close to league worst to top 5. He's gone from being celebrated as a God during WJC in December to a questionable talent evaluator in March.

Because all the Message board GMs see things he clearly can't see. All the resources he has access to are clearly failing him and his multi million dollar operation.
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