Do you retype that every time or do you just copy and paste?
- YuenglingJagr

haha I think he is a robot and works with uncle Ron

Did he? I haven't watched any of his post-game press conferences.
- Scoob

Uhhh...yes

Come on, are you serious with that? 15 years, whatever. You can't just ignore his point. Like him or not, Tortorella is a good coach and was never "run out of the league."

gmafb
- Scoob

He got fired by Vancouver and sat out one yr before being hired by columbus. I cant call that run out of the league. Coaches are hired and fired. he hasn't had a hard time getting hired again so he is obviously respected

Dave Hakstol and Ron Hextall should be relieved of their duties. Claude Julien who is a well respected coach got fired despite being much better than Hakstol. Flyers hockey is going down the shatter with accepting all these losses. When you do not get results from your star players heads must roll and that starts with the coach or GM. Giroux, Voracek, Schenn and now Simmonds are in a funk for the last 20 games. I am not too proud of what is happening to my lifelong team. This accepting defeat with grace has to stop and no better way than to fire Hakstol for starters. My rant for the day but man that guy looks lost behind the bench.
- joegreif17

If the Flyers get rid of VDV and Bellemare they would be relieving themselves of doody. Does that work?

You've been reduced to this.
- MJL

Yeah, being right is a lonely place around here. I'll manage

You have to give Torts full marks for his coaching adjustment. I love his emotion on the bench and I am sure it is contagious. He has full control of his players and they have bought in. This is something Dave Hakstol will never achieve as coach of the Flyers and one reason the team is so crappy. A shakeup is in order!
- joegreif17

The problem i have with posts like this are how shortsighted they are.

Lets say they fire Hak and the Flyers go on to win 5 or 6 more games then they would have with him this season and still dont make the playoffs..

What exactly do you gain by firing Hak right now?

Uhhh...yes
- YuenglingJagr

Well, then, that proves it. Thanks for the insight.

Do you retype that every time or do you just copy and paste?
- YuenglingJagr

It makes no sense either. If they were doing little things well to help the team win wouldn't it be reflected in their overall numbers?



I find it funny that the NHL is such a results based industry except for 4th liners. When 4th liners play like poop it's because "that isn't their role" or "they do other things well that go unnoticed to the untrained eye!"

It makes no sense either. If they were doing little things well to help the team win wouldn't it be reflected in their overall numbers.


- PhillySportsGuy

They're not their numbers, they're team numbers.

What exactly do you gain by firing Hak right now?
- opeth_pa

Well, a good handful or two posters here would get to crow about "See, I was right! I'm an awesome hockey analyser!!!!1 The rest of you kool-aid* drinking dummies are stoopid!!!!1"



* It was Flavor-Aid.

If the Flyers get rid of VDV and Bellemare they would be relieving themselves of doody. Does that work?
- PLindbergh31

If they had an established nhl material coach and a matching GM they likely would not have signed Weise, Bellmare, Vandevelde and certainly would have let Neuvirth go to free agency like cousin Steve is going to. Mason will get a starter job somewhere because he has the talent and could be great on a good team, I say could be. I am getting so fed up with losing and watching the team lose and management accepting it while taking good money from fans who are paying to watch a train wreck live.

My list of issues with the team that I put before PEB

1. Decline of Giroux
2. Weak goaltending from Neuvy and Mason
2. Inconsistency by Jake and Schenn
3. Disappointing season by Coots
4. Sophomore slump by Ghost
5. Lack of jam, sandpaper , toughness
6. Lack of size
7. Lack of faith by Plind
8. HAK
9. Walking Dead VdV
10. PEB

I find it more shocking that Berube hasn't found another NHL head coaching job since being fired. I mean how can all 29 NHL teams not see the forest through the trees and hire such a tremendous coach. I guess they just don't have the vision Holmgren has.
- PLindbergh31

He was hired by an AHL team so someone thinks there is something there. time will tell if he makes it back to the NHL. so are you saying guys that played the role of so called goons can never make a good NHL coach? are you also saying teams shouldn't go out on a limb sometimes and think out of the box when hiring a coach? teams should stick with retreads always?

are you also saying teams shouldn't go out on a limb sometimes and think out of the box when hiring a coach? teams should stick with retreads always?
- nastyflyergirl

This ..QFE

So Team Negative can complain that the team is just a good old boys network and never thinks outside the box..until they change both and then they complain that they thought outside the box and hired some unknown.

It makes no sense either. If they were doing little things well to help the team win wouldn't it be reflected in their overall numbers?



I find it funny that the NHL is such a results based industry except for 4th liners. When 4th liners play like poop it's because "that isn't their role" or "they do other things well that go unnoticed to the untrained eye!"
- PhillySportsGuy

I could live with guys like PEB and VdV if they were actually good at penalty killing, but sadly, like the rest of their game, their PK skills are mediocre at best.

I hate the Flyers whole crappy passive PK system, it's just not that effective. Historically all of their best PK pairs have been aggressive. From Clarke/Barber to Poulin/Propp to Brindamour/Podein to Primeau/Kapanen to Richards/Gagne to Betts/Lappy they've all pressured the opposition and created loads of shorthanded chances.

This is why I want Lappy replaced, I want an aggressive PK

Well, then, that proves it. Thanks for the insight.
- Scoob

Didn't know it was up to me to prove it. I made a comment he has changed and nothing was said to refute that from what I saw.

I think it is clear from the 8 or so blue jackets games I have seen this season, but since you guys seem to value the opinion of "experts" in the league...here is something a quick google reveals...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...aced-change-blue-jackets/

I can't speak for everyone who was opposed to the Bellemare deal, but I didn't like it due more to the process than the result. It's not like the deal will impede the team's ability to make other moves. It will likely have no effect on any of the future moves either.

On a macro level, I'm concerned about their NHL talent evaluations though. They see value in Bellemare when his primary responsibilities haven't been handled well. The PK remains a weakness while the 4th line hasn't contributed much and continues to be outscored by a wide margin (Bellemare's even strength goal differential rate is only better than Vandevelde's over the last two seasons).

There really is no rational explanation for keeping Bellemare unless the team believes it's his linemates bringing him down (then why keep playing Vandevelde), his coach using him incorrectly on the PK (then why retain Lappy) or that he'll improve (he's in his 30s).

So why do people complain about him? Because replacing him is an easy and logical thing to do. It's much easier to find a better 4th line PKer than it is to find another top line center. Just because one thing is an issue doesn't mean the other isn't.

Also, using Bellemare on the 4th line hurts the team, but it's not that big of a deal because he doesn't log that many minutes. Using Bellemare and Vandevelde on the pk IS a big deal because a team is most likely to concede a goal when they're shorthanded, so using your two worst forwards for that stretch is going to result in more goals against (logic!).

In the end, Bellemare probably won't matter, but watching Hexy place more value on grit (Weise, Gordon, Bellemare) rather than skill is concerning about the future.
- PhillySportsGuy

Dead nuts on.

The problem i have with posts like this are how shortsighted they are.

Lets say they fire Hak and the Flyers go on to win 5 or 6 more games then they would have with him this season and still dont make the playoffs..

What exactly do you gain by firing Hak right now?
- opeth_pa

Speaking of short sighted your name come to the top of my list. The Hakstol experiment has expired and it has failed big time. No production from the star players and most importantly no wins and no playoffs. A good coach needs to be a steady positive influence that motivates players. Has Hakstol motivated anyone?? I will use this example, if Mike Babcock was coaching the Flyers this year we would be in the playoffs, guaranteed!

He was hired by an AHL team so someone thinks there is something there. time will tell if he makes it back to the NHL. so are you saying guys that played the role of so called goons can never make a good NHL coach? are you also saying teams shouldn't go out on a limb sometimes and think out of the box when hiring a coach? teams should stick with retreads always?
- nastyflyergirl

No, but off the top of my head has a "goon" ever been a successful head coach? I'm drawing a blank. Retreads is pretty much what the NHL does. It recycles the same guys for a long time. Those guys have experience and NHL resumes. Would you rather have Babcock or Hakstol? I think I know the answer to that. I guess the Flyers just couldn't compete with the Leafs tradition over the last 50 years.

The maroons here are so easy. lol
- Scoob

How nice would Maroon fit now?
Oh you meant moroons...

Speaking of short sighted your name come to the top of my list. The Hakstol experiment has expired and it has failed big time. No production from the star players and most importantly no wins and no playoffs. A good coach needs to be a steady positive influence that motivates players. Has Hakstol motivated anyone?? I will use this example, if Mike Babcock was coaching the Flyers this year we would be in the playoffs, guaranteed!
- joegreif17

Hakstol coached the team to the playoffs last season.

I could live with guys like PEB and VdV if they were actually good at penalty killing, but sadly, like the rest of their game, their PK skills are mediocre at best.

I hate the Flyers whole crappy passive PK system, it's just not that effective. Historically all of their best PK pairs have been aggressive. From Clarke/Barber to Poulin/Propp to Brindamour/Podein to Primeau/Kapanen to Richards/Gagne to Betts/Lappy they've all pressured the opposition and created loads of shorthanded chances.

This is why I want Lappy replaced, I want an aggressive PK
- BiggE

I don't really like their system either because it gives too much time and space to the most skilled players on the opposing team. They don't really execute it well either. It's designed to force shots from weak areas, but they don't do a good enough job of funneling pucks out there.

Didn't know it was up to me to prove it. I made a comment he has changed and nothing was said to refute that from what I saw.

I think it is clear from the 8 or so blue jackets games I have seen this season, but since you guys seem to value the opinion of "experts" in the league...here is something a quick google reveals...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...aced-change-blue-jackets/
- YuenglingJagr

Nice....quotes. Veracity confirmed.



(I agree with you, I'm just making a funny hehe)

My list of issues with the team that I put before PEB

1. Decline of Giroux
2. Weak goaltending from Neuvy and Mason
2. Inconsistency by Jake and Schenn
3. Disappointing season by Coots
4. Sophomore slump by Ghost
5. Lack of jam, sandpaper , toughness
6. Lack of size
7. Lack of faith by Plind
8. HAK
9. Walking Dead VdV
10. PEB
- opeth_pa

How did MacDonald miss this list? He makes everyone around him worse.

The facts are the facts. Giroux has dipped from 1.72 to .87. Simmonds has dropped from 1.92 to 1.16. Couturier has dropped from 1.96 to 1.34. Schenn from 1.95 to .91.
- MJL

Gravity seems to be working overtime in Philly...