After reading all the comments and listening to "fans" on the radio this season, I still can't believe people are shocked the Flyers season is going the way it is. I guess expectations grow high making the playoffs. This season was known 3-4 years ago. I was personally excited for this season since a lot of bad contracts would be gone, some were removed sooner.

Spoiler Alert!
Next year WILL BE the same, more likely worse, due to more youth injected into the lineup.

Flyers need to learn from the past. Much like the American political system, building a foundation that never gets finished so another term can continue the cycle.

Patience sucks, but it's the only thing that builds a championship team. Otherwise the only alternative is running around in circles.

Exactly. That mantra had been talked about a lot this past summer as a strong possibility. It's playing out. I think we all including myself got carried away in the preseason with Provorov and Konecny upgrading the roster. But the bottom line is their still rookies finding their way and the goalie play has come back down to earth and G tumbled off a cliff after making it halfway down the mountain.
- Just5

And this is Hextall's 3rd year. So you need to give time for his players to develop that he drafted. He's gradually reshaping the roster. First step was getting rid of deals like Pronger, Grossmann, Vinny and Schenn. This year he made a move to slightly upgrade the forwards for the rest of this year and next without being tied down in term like a FA would.

Next we will start to see youth inserted into the lineup.

There are steps. And Hextall is following the path which he thinks gives this team the best chance to win and sustain it.

And this is Hextall's 3rd year. So you need to give time for his players to develop that he drafted. He's gradually reshaping the roster. First step was getting rid of deals like Pronger, Grossmann, Vinny and Schenn. This year he made a move to slightly upgrade the forwards for the rest of this year and next without being tied down in term like a FA would.

Next we will start to see youth inserted into the lineup.

There are steps. And Hextall is following the path which he thinks gives this team the best chance to win and sustain it.
- J35Bacher

After reading all the comments and listening to "fans" on the radio this season, I still can't believe people are shocked the Flyers season is going the way it is. I guess expectations grow high making the playoffs. This season was known 3-4 years ago. I was personally excited for this season since a lot of bad contracts would be gone, some were removed sooner.

Spoiler Alert!
Next year WILL BE the same, more likely worse, due to more youth injected into the lineup.

Flyers need to learn from the past. Much like the American political system, building a foundation that never gets finished so another term can continue the cycle.

Patience sucks, but it's the only thing that builds a championship team. Otherwise the only alternative is running around in circles.


- Glak18

Patience sucks, but it's the only thing that builds a championship team. Otherwise the only alternative is running around in circles.

- Glak18

Well put but queue up all the Team Negative stock replies to this..

"We need more youth but youth isnt guaranteed to turn out so we need to tank but if we tank we arent competitive so this terribad team stays how it is"

And that is the problem. Because he is paid to be.
- J35Bacher

He got paid for being a top 5 player between 2011-2014. That's the problem with these long term mega deals that the salary cap has created in spite of trying to protect teams from themselves. Teams have no choice but pay their super stars in salary spread out over longer terms that are mighty tough to live up to year after year.

I personally see it as more of a theoretical issue. I think there is a definite idea within the organization that there are top 6 guys and bottom 6 guys. (at minimum, the presence of at least one defense-first "checking line") Evidence suggests that is the case.

Weal supposedly wasn't good enough to be on the Flyers, until he came up and showed that it looks like he is. The reason I am not overly critical about it is because I think the drafting that Hextall has done trumps everything else. Hopefully it leads to an influx of skill because Hextall will have no other choice really
- YuenglingJagr

I think the fact that Hextall acquired Filppula, who is a skilled 2 way player doesn't support that. It supports that they think they need more skill and scoring in the lineup, to form 3 scoring lines. Weal had an opportunity in camp to win a spot, just like every other player who was not a regular had. Two 19 year old players in Konecny and Provorov made the team out of camp.

He's always been more of a playmaker than a goal scorer. His drop in 5 on 5 production from last year is less than anyone else in the top 9.
- Feanor

I agree, that doesn't mean that 6 goals scored at 5 on 5 in 67 games played is acceptable for a player making 8.5M a year. it's not good enough, and he can be better just like every other player.

After reading all the comments and listening to "fans" on the radio this season, I still can't believe people are shocked the Flyers season is going the way it is. I guess expectations grow high making the playoffs. This season was known 3-4 years ago. I was personally excited for this season since a lot of bad contracts would be gone, some were removed sooner.

Spoiler Alert!
Next year WILL BE the same, more likely worse, due to more youth injected into the lineup.

Flyers need to learn from the past. Much like the American political system, building a foundation that never gets finished so another term can continue the cycle.

Patience sucks, but it's the only thing that builds a championship team. Otherwise the only alternative is running around in circles.


- Glak18

I agree with this. Thing is, I hope that there is some youth in the lineup, because, for me as a fan, that makes them more interesting to watch.

Watching them be mediocre now is just painful. At least if there is some youth in the lineup, you can watch them (hopefully) progress and get better. Maybe play a bit more dynamically.

The Flyers aren't going to completely bottom out...selling off Giroux and Jake in their primes. I think that's where most of the frustration lies. I think what it boils down to is it's better to be lucky than be good at being bad. Chicago drafting Kane was pure luck. Not a total tank job. The Pens were a total tank job that's understood. Its just not realistic to expect the flyers to do that. Did the Oilers purposely tank to get Mcdavid? Imo they were just horrible at building a team.

Its better to be lucky.

so is manning's upper body injury his ego?

I don't even know what this means
- PhillySportsGuy

I know you don't. Here it is in a nutshell. You're all over the place. You post that certain players aren't good 5 on 5 players such as Schenn and Simmonds. You make excuses for Giroux and say well he's still a top PP player, and his decline is expected due to his age. Their defense isn't good enough, and that the organization favors the wrong kind of players and failed in not re-signing a player like Gagner. All of that points to roster and talent issues. Then to top it all off, you claim that Hakstol is the common denominator, and his scheme is why they aren't scoring enough goals.
To be clear, I have no issue with placing some of the blame on the head coach, that's fair. What I have an issue with is placing all of the blame on him, and in particular, his scheme or system. That's ridiculous.

I'm still holding out hope Giroux hasn't fallen off a cliff. There has to be some type of issue with him. His skill is still there. I don't expect him to be one of the top 10 players in the NHL anymore but he's a better player than he's shown this season.
- Baxter27

I'm with you on this.

so is manning's upper body injury his ego?
- LJF

I think the injury is a punched in face. I give him credit being able to return and score the game winning goal.

[quote=YuenglingJagr]

So I went, and man, it felt good. You know when you've had to go for a while but you don't get a chance, then you finally go and you just kinda stand there and feel the pressure going? Yeah, it was like that.

Sorry, but it just seems like a better topic than the other pissing contests in here today.

so is manning's upper body injury his ego?
- LJF

No, his brain.

Things would have to be so toxic for Hexy to do that after 2 seasons
- PhillySportsGuy

He would deal with that, as his ultimate goal is to build the team to a contender. He would not let his reputation stop him from doing that, if he felt is was the right move. He would not let that stop him from reaching the ultimate goal because if they did, it would not matter in the big picture that Hakstol was dismissed after two seasons.

Well put but queue up all the Team Negative stock replies to this..

"We need more youth but youth isnt guaranteed to turn out so we need to tank but if we tank we arent competitive so this terribad team stays how it is"
- opeth_pa

frank Team Negative. I wish they'd go post somewhere else.

frank Team Negative. I wish they'd go post somewhere else.
- Scoob

I prefer Team Defend Every Move the Organization Has Ever Made

This team, like all teams, makes some good decision and some bad ones. They have their reasons for doing so, and generally do the best they can to try to improve their team, but different philosophies can lead to different approaches.

Saying that the team always makes the wrong decision is wrong.

Saying that the team always makes the right decision is wrong.

After reading all the comments and listening to "fans" on the radio this season, I still can't believe people are shocked the Flyers season is going the way it is. I guess expectations grow high making the playoffs. This season was known 3-4 years ago. I was personally excited for this season since a lot of bad contracts would be gone, some were removed sooner.

Spoiler Alert!
Next year WILL BE the same, more likely worse, due to more youth injected into the lineup.

Flyers need to learn from the past. Much like the American political system, building a foundation that never gets finished so another term can continue the cycle.

Patience sucks, but it's the only thing that builds a championship team. Otherwise the only alternative is running around in circles.


- Glak18

Amen.

frank Team Negative. I wish they'd go post somewhere else.
- Scoob

The Clown really went off the deep end yesterday

I think the injury is a punched in face. I give him credit being able to return and score the game winning goal.
- PLindbergh31

Yeah damn that Manning sticking up for his teammates. You could only wish you had half his character.

I'm saying this knowing he had an atrocious game on Saturday. He still doesn't deserve the blatant disrespect that you show to just about 100% of the Flyers organization past and present. I don't know what you are but you're certainly not a fan.

Yeah damn that Manning sticking up for his teammates. You could only wish you had half his character.

I'm saying this knowing he had an atrocious game on Saturday. He still doesn't deserve the blatant disrespect that you show to just about 100% of the Flyers organization past and present. I don't know what you are but you're certainly not a fan.
- Baxter27

So I went, and man, it felt good. You know when you've had to go for a while but you don't get a chance, then you finally go and you just kinda stand there and feel the pressure going? Yeah, it was like that.

Sorry, but it just seems like a better topic than the other pissing contests in here today.
- jmatchett383

My hungover flight home yesterday resulted in a similar experience. My decision to not ask the guy to move so I could piss resulted in an hour and half delay in my ability to piss. Was not fun, but the ultimate release of said piss was great

I prefer Team Defend Every Move the Organization Has Ever Made

This team, like all teams, makes some good decision and some bad ones. They have their reasons for doing so, and generally do the best they can to try to improve their team, but different philosophies can lead to different approaches.

Saying that the team always makes the wrong decision is wrong.

Saying that the team always makes the right decision is wrong.
- jmatchett383

Yes, but honestly I don't think anyone here defends 100% of the moves.

But there are plenty of folks here who do nothing but whine and complain. They must be real treats in real life. frank them