In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

Still had more points during that goalless drought than Weise and Gordon have combined during the entire season

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

I think Vinny "excelling" in LA may be overstating things a bit
- PhillySportsGuy

Ok got me wrong adjective...
He had some decent output in LA vs here. How's that?

Bill,

Not sure if anyone asked but will the Flyers have any interest in any of the college FA out there? Didn't know if you might have any sources or inkling if they might be a player for someone.

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

Flyers fans would have withstood that.
Team Negative, not so much.

How do you account for players such as Schenn, Simmonds, and Gostisbehere putting up solid point/60 numbers last season, under the same coach? Schenn had a career year last year under Hakstol. Gostisbehere put up top 15 among defenseman playing 400 minutes or more, in points/60. Couturier and Schenn were top 60 among forwards.
- MJL

Schenn = Fluke/contract exp
Ghost = previous coach with no hak influence or "teaching"
Cooter = Fluke

Only two players are scoring above their career averages at even strength under Hak: Sean Couturier and Andrew MacDonald. I would assume MacDonald's numbers are inflated due to playing with high scoring guys the last two years (Ghost and Provorov). Couturier's numbers are probably higher because he's been given more time with talented players instead of being forced to play with bottom six wingers. Everyone else is scoring below their career averages.
- PhillySportsGuy

You didn't answer the questions I asked.

You didn't answer the questions I asked.
- MJL

Take your L

You didn't answer the questions I asked.
- MJL

S%

Ok got me wrong adjective...
He had some decent output in LA vs here. How's that?
- Konalover

If 17 points in 42 games (.40 PPG) is considered "decent", then his Flyers totals of 57 points in 126 games (.45 PPG) would be better than "decent"...no?

- johndewar

Yeah, we really would have regretted Gagner's 50 points, strong possession numbers at 3C and ability to QB the PP2. Glad we dodged that bullet! We put that $650k to great use!





I don't understand why people refuse to admit when the team mis-evaluates a player. They totally whiffed this past summer and they had the guy IN-HOUSE that could have really helped them. Whether it was Hak's inability to get the most out of him or Hexy just flat out being wrong about him, it was a mistake. They spent 4x more money on two guys who haven't done poop.

This isn't to say Hexy is an idiot and that he hasn't done anything right. He hit on MDZ and Gudas, but he's also had a lot of misses. Targeting guys like Weise, Umberger and Gordon then re-signing guys like Bellemare, Schultz and Neuvirth makes me nervous about what he'll do when he actually does become a bit more aggressive in FA.

Bill,

Not sure if anyone asked but will the Flyers have any interest in any of the college FA out there? Didn't know if you might have any sources or inkling if they might be a player for someone.
- J35Bacher

Hold on, I got some youtube vids to check out...

Yeah, we really would have regretted Gagner's 50 points, strong possession numbers at 3C and ability to QB the PP2. Glad we dodged that bullet! We put that $650k to great use!





I don't understand why people refuse to admit when the team mis-evaluates a player. They totally whiffed this past summer and they had the guy IN-HOUSE that could have really helped them. Whether it was Hak's inability to get the most out of him or Hexy just flat out being wrong about him, it was a mistake. They spent 4x more money on two guys who haven't done poop.

This isn't to say Hexy is an idiot and that he hasn't done anything right. He hit on MDZ and Gudas, but he's also had a lot of misses. Targeting guys like Weise, Umberger and Gordon then re-signing guys like Bellemare, Schultz and Neuvirth makes me nervous about what he'll do when he actually does become a bit more aggressive in FA.
- PhillySportsGuy

Maybe Gagner wasn't interested in coming back after the way he was used/misused?

Not excusing the Gordon or Weise signings, just a thought.

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

Wow that is almost as long as Vandevelde's

I don't understand why people refuse to admit when the team mis-evaluates a player. They totally whiffed this past summer and they had the guy IN-HOUSE that could have really helped them. Whether it was Hak's inability to get the most out of him or Hexy just flat out being wrong about him, it was a mistake. They spent 4x more money on two guys who haven't done poop.

This isn't to say Hexy is an idiot and that he hasn't done anything right. He hit on MDZ and Gudas, but he's also had a lot of misses. Targeting guys like Weise, Umberger and Gordon then re-signing guys like Bellemare, Schultz and Neuvirth makes me nervous about what he'll do when he actually does become a bit more aggressive in FA.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't understand why people refuse to accept that there are a lot of factors that go into how a player fits. I get the idea that Gagner is more skilled than many players, and may have been able to help us. Chemistry is a funny thing. Gagner is undoubtedly putting up good numbers because of the overall team play in Columbus this year. They struggled last season, but are playing well this season. What was the difference? The coach? Players play. I seriously doubt that Gagner would be having the same year here as he is in Columbus. It's the same thing with other players that the Flyers "should've" gone after. No guaranteed they would've had the same results here.

Maybe Gagner wasn't interested in coming back after the way he was used/misused?

Not excusing the Gordon or Weise signings, just a thought.
- jmatchett383

My comment was in jest, but I have been known to ask for the use of more "skill" players throughout the lineup vs. what the Flyers appear to favor

You didn't answer the questions I asked.
- MJL

Schenn and Ghost's numbers were inflated by unsustainable shooting percentages last season. In order to reduce variability, I increased the sample size. Pretty SOP. Hak has been here for almost two years. Why would I limit myself to one year of data, when I could just combine both years?

It also doesn't help that the one player that left, Gagner, is now having a much better season while the one player who joined the team, Weise, is having a much less productive season.

I guess the real argument you can make is that the team consists of mostly players 25+, which means they're all leaving their prime, so point production is expected to decrease. I tend to believe it's a combination of both that and scheme.

so how about this impending weather

so how about this impending weather
- stayinthefnnet

how could you talk about that at a time like this?

Maybe Gagner wasn't interested in coming back after the way he was used/misused?

Not excusing the Gordon or Weise signings, just a thought.
- jmatchett383

I believe he was interested and judging by his current salary, I don't think it would have taken a ton of convincing.

Either way, it is still an indictment on Hak for not using him properly.

I guess I just don't get why people are always so upset to hear anyone question the management or coaching staff. They haven't done enough good things for me to blindly accept every move and withhold criticism.

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

I don't think i shed any tears when he left. But the current situation is kinda humorous.

Yeah, we really would have regretted Gagner's 50 points, strong possession numbers at 3C and ability to QB the PP2. Glad we dodged that bullet! We put that $650k to great use!





I don't understand why people refuse to admit when the team mis-evaluates a player. They totally whiffed this past summer and they had the guy IN-HOUSE that could have really helped them. Whether it was Hak's inability to get the most out of him or Hexy just flat out being wrong about him, it was a mistake. They spent 4x more money on two guys who haven't done poop.

This isn't to say Hexy is an idiot and that he hasn't done anything right. He hit on MDZ and Gudas, but he's also had a lot of misses. Targeting guys like Weise, Umberger and Gordon then re-signing guys like Bellemare, Schultz and Neuvirth makes me nervous about what he'll do when he actually does become a bit more aggressive in FA.
- PhillySportsGuy

And who would have relinquished those roles that Gagner would have had here?

The Flyers were still diddling around with trying Brayden Schenn at center as of very recently. Where would Gagner have fit here? It's not like you can stash him on a checking line. Gagner is not a big guy.

Maybe Gagner is who everyone thought he was and he's playing over his head temporarily to stay in the league? It's not like he's any kind of a sure thing.

I believe he was interested and judging by his current salary, I don't think it would have taken a ton of convincing.

Either way, it is still an indictment on Hak for not using him properly.

I guess I just don't get why people are always so upset to hear anyone question the management or coaching staff. They haven't done enough good things for me to blindly accept every move and withhold criticism.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agreed. Just seems like the players leaving that required a decision on whether to keep or not are doing well and the people coming in not so much. Vinny, L. Schenn, Timmonen, Coburn and Streit not included as they were UFA or salary dumps.

I believe he was interested and judging by his current salary, I don't think it would have taken a ton of convincing.

Either way, it is still an indictment on Hak for not using him properly.

I guess I just don't get why people are always so upset to hear anyone question the management or coaching staff. They haven't done enough good things for me to blindly accept every move and withhold criticism.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm cool with calling out Hextall when it's deserved, but the entire league had a shot at Gagner and everyone passed except for CBJ, who I think paid him the league minimum.

Wanna call out Hextall for guys like Weise, etc, I'm right there with you. I'm not losing any sleep over losing Sam Gagner.