+Chris Pronger
- Flyers Time

Mike Richards one year league minimum for 3rd line center.
- Flyers Time

No thanks. 13th forward, yes.

I was just thinking this morning: Can you truly compare any player to Chris Pronger (besides Sam Morin)?

When you have guys like Provorov, or Doughty, or Karlsson, or other top-end defensemen coming into the league, it's always he's the next Coffey/Niedermayer/Stevens and that, while all these players are great, I don't think there's any player past or present that can be compared to Pronger. He was big, mean, won a Hart Trophyy, went to 3 Finals, and was dominant for a good 12 or so years. Chara was in the same category, but not for as long.
- jmatchett383

Just the flavor of the year. When Pronger was playing eveyrone was the next Pronger

*Sam Gagner puts up lowest p/60 of his career with the Flyers

"He's just not good!"

*Sam Gagner gets back to putting up similar numbers prior to his Coyote/Flyer days

"Well, he just never played this well for the Flyers! It's not Hak's fault nearly every player seems to have their worst even strength scoring output under him!"

*Sam Gagner puts up lowest p/60 of his career with the Flyers

"He's just not good!"

*Sam Gagner gets back to putting up similar numbers prior to his Coyote/Flyer days

"Well, he just never played this well for the Flyers! It's not Hak's fault nearly every player seems to have their worst even strength scoring output under him!"
- PhillySportsGuy

*Sam Gagner puts up lowest p/60 of his career with the Flyers

"He's just not good!"

*Sam Gagner gets back to putting up similar numbers prior to his Coyote/Flyer days

"Well, he just never played this well for the Flyers! It's not Hak's fault nearly every player seems to have their worst even strength scoring output under him!"
- PhillySportsGuy

Spurious correlation

*Sam Gagner puts up lowest p/60 of his career with the Flyers

"He's just not good!"

*Sam Gagner gets back to putting up similar numbers prior to his Coyote/Flyer days

"Well, he just never played this well for the Flyers! It's not Hak's fault nearly every player seems to have their worst even strength scoring output under him!"
- PhillySportsGuy

Even Vinny got to LA last year and excelled not being guided by Hak....
Yes yes yes different circumstances yada yada...
He scored on the second PP which was his "ROLE" here too and he got the same 7 mins of ice time.
Even look at Ghost last year. He was still under his past coaching when he came up. It took hak a season to put baking soda on the Ghost fire.

I miss him so much. Why was he the only person to call out the media for what it was.
- Flyers Time

because he was the only one to win a cup

Even Vinny got to LA last year and excelled not being guided by Hak....
Yes yes yes different circumstances yada yada...
He scored on the second PP which was his "ROLE" here too and he got the same 7 mins of ice time.
Even look at Ghost last year. He was still under his past coaching when he came up. It took hak a season to put baking soda on the Ghost fire.
- Konalover

I think Vinny "excelling" in LA may be overstating things a bit

Flyers have 3.33 chance making playoffs
3.55 chance win lottery

Flyers have 3.33 chance making playoffs
3.55 chance win lottery
- Flyers Time

Seems like a great place to be

Is there any hope Mason pitches a shutout and we go on a 13-1-1 run or gets shelled and we go 3-8-4.
- Konalover

Yes there is. And when game one of the playoffs rolls around, Mason lets up 4 goals in a 4-2 loss and we never see him again because Hak goes to Neuvirth.


lead pipe lock.

Ron Hextall makes the roster decisions in regards to who is resigned and let go. Not Hakstol.
- J35Bacher

First, let me state that I feel we made the right move by not bringing Gagner back. However, Gagner not being here is on the player first (because he wasn't very good) and retaining him was on the GM and Coach together. Hakstol didn't really play him if Gagner turned into a liability out there, he was pulled out of the line up. Hextall takes notice and now he's gone.

Jagr as another example deserved a new deal but if you sign Jagr, the development of Voracek and Simmonds gets pushed back. This is a Holmgren move I still agree with. The only real mistake I feel in terms of deviding in recent years under Hextall is Scott Hartnell. We have never been so thin at LW. It looks as time goes on.

Even Vinny got to LA last year and excelled not being guided by Hak....
Yes yes yes different circumstances yada yada...
He scored on the second PP which was his "ROLE" here too and he got the same 7 mins of ice time.
Even look at Ghost last year. He was still under his past coaching when he came up. It took hak a season to put baking soda on the Ghost fire.
- Konalover

It's hard to argue that Hakstol gets the most of his players. I get Vinny was a liability defensively and an awful skater but he wasn't so awful that he couldn't play a role somehow, somewhere, which was proven when he was traded. Without dwelling on that, moving his deal was the best thing for everyone and although he didn't thank the Flyers in his retirement speech, he did us a huge favor by retiring.

Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn, Gostisbehere, Couturier. They're not bringing their "A Game". Does the blame go to the players? Absolutely! At the same time, what has Hakstol inspired? Torts with Columbus changed the culture of a bad franchise. I remember the impact Hitch and Laviolette brought to Philadelphia. The attitude and style of play was obvious to even the casual watcher.

Spin baby spin.

We see Hak got the most out of Gagner, the same way he is getting the most out of this current roster.
- ggunky

so today we are crying about Sam (frank)ing Gagner? JFC

First, let me state that I feel we made the right move by not bringing Gagner back. However, Gagner not being here is on the player first (because he wasn't very good) and retaining him was on the GM and Coach together. Hakstol didn't really play him if Gagner turned into a liability out there, he was pulled out of the line up. Hextall takes notice and now he's gone.

Jagr as another example deserved a new deal but if you sign Jagr, the development of Voracek and Simmonds gets pushed back. This is a Holmgren move I still agree with. The only real mistake I feel in terms of deviding in recent years under Hextall is Scott Hartnell. We have never been so thin at LW. It looks as time goes on.
- SuperSchennBros

I think Jagr left a bigger void than Hartnell. They made a mistake thinking Vinny could replace the leadership lost from Briere and Jagr. It was compounded by Timonen's blood clot situation/retirement. Simmonds and Voracek have stepped up as leaders but no one else on the current roster really has. Mason tried but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes with him. Looks like Bellemare is getting a chance to do so.

Hartnell being moved has opened up a lot of opportunities for Schenn's development, mainly on the power play. The move was made for the more disciplined direction this team wanted to go in. Not sure I agree with it because this team seems to lack intensity the last couple seasons. Their lack of identity seems to root back to the off season when Hartnell was moved.

My cad file editor is not working this morning. (frank)ing Hak.
- jmatchett383

I've been sick since thursday....(frank)ing Hakstol

*Sam Gagner puts up lowest p/60 of his career with the Flyers

"He's just not good!"

*Sam Gagner gets back to putting up similar numbers prior to his Coyote/Flyer days

"Well, he just never played this well for the Flyers! It's not Hak's fault nearly every player seems to have their worst even strength scoring output under him!"
- PhillySportsGuy

How do you account for players such as Schenn, Simmonds, and Gostisbehere putting up solid point/60 numbers last season, under the same coach? Schenn had a career year last year under Hakstol. Gostisbehere put up top 15 among defenseman playing 400 minutes or more, in points/60. Couturier and Schenn were top 60 among forwards.

Is there any hope Mason pitches a shutout and we go on a 13-1-1 run or gets shelled and we go 3-8-4.
- Konalover

I'll take option 2 please.

He did it, and the media loved him.

Richards did it, and the media hated him.
- jmatchett383

Size Matters...

You tell Pronger he's an ass

He did it, and the media loved him.

Richards did it, and the media hated him.
- jmatchett383

The media reacted like true professionals labeling him "Captain Whine" and never giving up the grudge.

I just don't understand how Gagner is the 3C...he isn't good enough defensively. Columbus must be awful
- YuenglingJagr

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

In the meantime, before his recent mini-surge, Sam went goalless from Dec. 23 to March 4. I am sure Flyers fans would have patiently withstood it and fully supported him remaining in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

How do you account for players such as Schenn, Simmonds, and Gostisbehere putting up solid point/60 numbers last season, under the same coach? Schenn had a career year last year under Hakstol. Gostisbehere put up top 15 among defenseman playing 400 minutes or more, in points/60. Couturier and Schenn were top 60 among forwards.
- MJL

Only two players are scoring above their career averages at even strength under Hak: Sean Couturier and Andrew MacDonald. I would assume MacDonald's numbers are inflated due to playing with high scoring guys the last two years (Ghost and Provorov). Couturier's numbers are probably higher because he's been given more time with talented players instead of being forced to play with bottom six wingers. Everyone else is scoring below their career averages.