Letang is just as good as any of those guys.
- Blackstrom2

As I said earlier, his health is his biggest concern. he's a bit fragile.

Letang is just as good as any of those guys.
- Blackstrom2

Will agree to disagree, he isn't even there best defenseman this yr schutlz is

Will agree to disagree, he isn't even there best defenseman this yr schutlz is
- Sensn8ation

I think he's better than a couple of them. 65 to 70 point pace evry year on a reasonably defensive team is nothing to sneer at.

and look at how badly their defense has fallen to crap this year with him injured. they average about 34 shots against, near the bottom of the league with him out. 31.5 or so with him in. their goals against are also far better with him.

he's way better than justin Schultz. you're out to lunch if you think Schultz is better.

I think he's better than a couple of them. 65 to 70 point pace evry year on a reasonably defensive team is nothing to sneer at.

and look at how badly their defense has fallen to crap this year with him injured. they average about 34 shots against, near the bottom of the league with him out. 31.5 or so with him in. their goals against are also far better with him.

he's way better than justin Schultz. you're out to lunch if you think Schultz is better.
- prock

Letang has played 41 games this yr .83 PPG and a + 2 , Schultz has played 63 games, .73 PPG and a + 29 so if anything he allows more goals by quite a margin

letang is a +2 Schultz is +29 who is actually the better defenseman
- Sensn8ation[/img]

Methot has had a better plus minus ever year for the past 4 years. I assume you also believe Methot is better than Karlsson?

and when on the ice together, with Methot, Karlsson has a pretty good plus minus. when Karlsson is on the ice without Methot, his plus minus is negative in a nasty way.

+13 with him. -4 without him.

Methot is +13 with him. +3 without Karlsson (in only 190 minutes without him)

Methot has had a better plus minus ever year for the past 4 years. I assume you also believe Methot is better than Karlsson?

and when on the ice together, with Methot, Karlsson has a pretty good plus minus. when Karlsson is on the ice without Methot, his plus minus is negative in a nasty way.
- prock

That's nice would Karlsson be a minus on the pens umm that's a big no, letang is an above average player on a stacked hockey team, Karlsson has been playing on a non playoff/ bubble team his entire career try again

That's nice would Karlsson be a minus on the pens umm that's a big no, letang is an above average player on a stacked hockey team, Karlsson has been playing on a non playoff/ bubble team his entire career try again
- Sensn8ation

He might be given how bad he is defensively. but you seemed to completely miss the point.

you used their plus minus to say Schultz was better than letang. your logic means Methot is better than Karlsson.

in reality it works well. Methot is quite good defensively and that covers up Karlsson being such a tire fire in his own end. and let's Karlsson play his high octane offensive game.

He might be given how bad he is defensively. but you seemed to completely miss the point.

you used their plus minus to say Schultz was better than letang. your logic means Methot is better than Karlsson.

in reality it works well. Methot is quite good defensively and that covers up Karlsson being such a tire fire in his own end. and let's Karlsson play his high octane offensive game.
- prock

I see u completely ignored that fact of letang playing on a consistent cup contender, you can't not tell me Karlsson would not be a career plus player if he had played for the pens his entire career ?

I see u completely ignored that fact of letang playing on a consistent cup contender, you can't not tell me Karlsson would not be a career plus player if he had played for the pens his entire career ?
- Sensn8ation

wow. you are just downright stupid aren't you. go back. read it again. if you still don't understand that I used YOUR logic to say Schultz is better than letang to compare Methot to Karlsson, then just read it again and again until it sinks in.

wow. you are just downright stupid aren't you. go back. read it again. if you still don't understand that I used YOUR logic to say Schultz is better than letang to compare Methot to Karlsson, then just read it again and again until it sinks in.
- prock

Lmao methot was not a career plus player until he got paired with karlsson but hey I'm stupid right.

Lmao methot was not a career plus player until he got paired with karlsson but hey I'm stupid right.
- Sensn8ation

omg. yes you are. go back. read again.

PS Karlsson is still a career minus player too.

Yeah, I'm not touching this one.

Yeah, I'm not touching this one.
- Blackstrom2

it's like talking to a monkey

That's nice would Karlsson be a minus on the pens umm that's a big no, letang is an above average player on a stacked hockey team, Karlsson has been playing on a non playoff/ bubble team his entire career try again
- Sensn8ation

His offence 1st mentality helps this team only be a non playoff/ bubble team.

Burns deserves the Norris and the Hart. Karlsson has had an impressive career but those other seasons shouldn't impant Norris voting. That is for one season only.

His offence 1st mentality helps this team only be a non playoff/ bubble team.
- Garnie

Burns deserves the Norris and the Hart. Karlsson has had an impressive career but those other seasons shouldn't impant Norris voting. That is for one season only.
- flamminghead

Worked for Drew Doughty last year.

Worked for Drew Doughty last year.
- hemlock34

being the best dman in the league? yes you're right it worked great for doughty.

being the best dman in the league? yes you're right it worked great for doughty.
- prock

was that the same season karlson had 82 points in 82 games breaking 30 something year old records was top 5 in league scoring and had the most assists in the nhl while playing on a non-playoff team?

was that the same season karlson had 82 points in 82 games breaking 30 something year old records was top 5 in league scoring and had the most assists in the nhl while playing on a non-playoff team?
- sensmelon

Maybe? If Karlsson wasn't such a tire fire defensively maybe he would have won the Norris, and maybe the Sens would not have been a non-playoff team. Doughty was the best defensive dman in the league, and still managed 50 points. That's unbelievable.

And keep in mind, Nik Lidstrom put up 80 points in 80 games, and was a rock defensively. Mike Green put up more than a point per game a few years back, and is on par with Karlsson in his own end.

It's also only been 20 years since Leetch put up 85 points. 24 years since Housley put up 97. 23 years since Bourque put up 91. So your claims are way off.

Maybe? If Karlsson wasn't such a tire fire defensively maybe he would have won the Norris, and maybe the Sens would not have been a non-playoff team. Doughty was the best defensive dman in the league, and still managed 50 points. That's unbelievable.

And keep in mind, Nik Lidstrom put up 80 points in 80 games, and was a rock defensively. Mike Green put up more than a point per game a few years back, and is on par with Karlsson in his own end.

It's also only been 20 years since Leetch put up 85 points. 24 years since Housley put up 97. 23 years since Bourque put up 91. So your claims are way off.
- prock

True my claims were way off the last defensemen to lead the league in assists in a regular season was bobby orr and it was actually a 42 year old record.

True my claims were way off the last defensemen to lead the league in assists in a regular season was bobby orr and it was actually a 42 year old record.
- sensmelon

He is the first player in history to lead the league in goals scored against while he is on the ice at even strength, 4 years in a row. Now that's a record.

Too me the hart noms should be Burns, Connor M and Brad Marchand. with Karlsson and a few other guys in the running

The same could be said for the Calder. Does Matthews deserve it over Laine? Matthews is clearly a super-talent, but look at his surrounding cast members. TOR is flooded with young talented players and solid vets.
- Rinosaur

Uhhhh what?

Leafs have some talented rookies no doubt. Kadri has been having a great season but I would argue that JVR and Komarov are both having sub par years. Bozak is about where I would expect him to be. As a whole I would not call the vets on the team solid this year.

Look at the group of forwards that the Jets roll every night. The vets in that lineup are far superior to the Leafs.

It amazes me that the rookie scoring race is as close as it is as IMO Laine should be way way ahead of AM. Laine is a better scorer with a better supporting cast while Matthews is a better all around player with a lesser supporting cast.

He is the first player in history to lead the league in goals scored against while he is on the ice at even strength, 4 years in a row. Now that's a record.
- prock

LOL not even true nice try tho