Stralman would be nice. Don't see it, but fun to talk about.
- kwolf68

poop, man I think a lot of us would be ecstatic. He is one of Tampa's top 3 however...

Filpulla approached to waive one of his 13 "no trade" teams.
- JRoenick97

Where you seeing that? Guessing that would not include the hawks, Just thinking he would more prefer to go to Chicago.

The first decision point in making a trade at the TDL is whether or not the team is in "win now" mode. If the decision is "yes", then trades should be seen through that filter. That's not to say you make stupid future crippling trades, only that there is a little more leeway in the parameters of a trade that wouldn't be there if the team weren't in "win now" mode.

TvR is not a make/break player helping you win now. Oduya could be if he's capable of playing the way he did in the 2015 playoffs. TvR is young and cost controlled and could be the #6 d-man for years to come. Oduya is a rental with no value after this season. Acquiring Oduya at the cost of TvR is a "win now" trade.

Where you seeing that? Guessing that would not include the hawks, Just thinking he would more prefer to go to Chicago.
- John Jaeckel

@TSNBobMcKenzie
TB has list of 16 teams Valtteri Filppula can be traded to; 13 he can't. Belief is TB has approached him to consider waiving to one of 13.

@TSNBobMcKenzie
TB has list of 16 teams Valtteri Filppula can be traded to; 13 he can't. Belief is TB has approached him to consider waiving to one of 13.
- JRoenick97

Thx JR

For the record, have no heard his name connected to Chicago since his last free agency year (2014) I believe.

Ask Leaf fans how they felt about Panik.

Ask Wings fans how they feel about Jurco.

See how that works? All I know is the Hawks have some interest on some level in Lazar, likely under the "change of scenery might be all he needs: corollary outlined above.
- John Jaeckel

YES!

I don't get people's lack of understanding of WHY moving on Lazar would be potentially a great move.

Hawks have neither the prospects or cap space to get "proven" players everyone LOVES. Hey I love Sebastian Aho of Carolina, but he's blossoming. EVERYONE loves him. Ergo, no chance to get him.

However, eye on that player with similar potential who (for some reason) just hasn't panned out (Panik, Jurco, etc) and you have:

1-A, a team WILLING to move him (yes Ottawa probably isn't enamored with 1 point in 28 games)
2-Because of "cooling effect" said player would come MUCH cheaper.

What it would take to get Aho would dwarf what it would take to get Lazar.

If Lazar flamed out then you've lost little. It's called taking a shot. Sometimes it works out pretty nicely...Stan got a 20-goal scorer for freaking Jeremy Morin. THAT'S what Lazar COULD potentially be, if not more.

If Hammer is truly an injury concern for the post season then that is a huge problem. Regardless of what other moves they make.

Anyway, I think the Jurco pickup is a good one. The skill is there and I think he plays well enough position wise and on the boards to fill a need. Maybe being around Hossa will help get him to the next level.

I'm not sure that Oduya solves a problem. I just don't see one on that left side. The risk\reward with Kempny on the ice favors the reward with that bomb he has and his ability to make a tape to tape pass. Seabrook is probably the only other player on that roster who can hit an 80 foot outlet pass with any consistency.

I think the priority should be adding a veteran who can cover for Kruger or going all in on a deal for Duchene. I see this group as similar to the 2010 group where they will need to win by scoring a crap ton of goals. None of the teams, with the exception of San Jose, would be deep enough scoring wise to keep up with the Hawks if they added a player of Dutch's calibre or a similar forward. Even if they lose Hartman and\or Kooga in the process.

Not dissimilar to how Pittsburgh won their last one. PUSH PUSH PUSH

Not lliking the news about Hammer hope he returns soon. Would not do TVR for Oduya . Not sure about Oduya loved himwhen he wad here but haven't seen him much since. Is he still a top 4?

Lets look at this from a PLAYOFF hockey perspective....

TVR is a 5-6 D-man....nothing more...and, to his credit....nothing less...he is what he is..

Q is known to play MAYBE 5 D all playoffs....so if Stan / Q feel Oduya can play 20+ minutes a game in the playoffs they do this deal 10/10 times.
- ChicagoDave

The underlying is issue is Q would rather have TVR out on defense than Campbell...And Campbell isn't going to be much help killing penalties in the playoffs.
I would think any dman they bring would need to be able to kill penalties.

If Hammer is truly an injury concern for the post season then that is a huge problem. Regardless of what other moves they make.

Anyway, I think the Jurco pickup is a good one. The skill is there and I think he plays well enough position wise and on the boards to fill a need. Maybe being around Hossa will help get him to the next level.

I'm not sure that Oduya solves a problem. I just don't see one on that left side. The risk\reward with Kempny on the ice favors the reward with that bomb he has and his ability to make a tape to tape pass. Seabrook is probably the only other player on that roster who can hit an 80 foot outlet pass with any consistency.

I think the priority should be adding a veteran who can cover for Kruger or going all in on a deal for Duchene. I see this group as similar to the 2010 group where they will need to win by scoring a crap ton of goals. None of the teams, with the exception of San Jose, would be deep enough scoring wise to keep up with the Hawks if they added a player of Dutche's calibre or a similar forward. Even if they lose Hartman and\or Kooga in the process.

Not dissimilar to how Pittsburgh won their last one. PUSH PUSH PUSH
- fattybeef

Hawks way slower than Pens last year. Not even close. Pens fourth line last year were skating rings around people. Our fourth line are guys like Moose and Desi, neither would win a foot race with a dump truck.

If Hammer is truly an injury concern for the post season then that is a huge problem. Regardless of what other moves they make.

Anyway, I think the Jurco pickup is a good one. The skill is there and I think he plays well enough position wise and on the boards to fill a need. Maybe being around Hossa will help get him to the next level.

I'm not sure that Oduya solves a problem. I just don't see one on that left side. The risk\reward with Kempny on the ice favors the reward with that bomb he has and his ability to make a tape to tape pass. Seabrook is probably the only other player on that roster who can hit an 80 foot outlet pass with any consistency.

I think the priority should be adding a veteran who can cover for Kruger or going all in on a deal for Duchene. I see this group as similar to the 2010 group where they will need to win by scoring a crap ton of goals. None of the teams, with the exception of San Jose, would be deep enough scoring wise to keep up with the Hawks if they added a player of Dutche's calibre or a similar forward. Even if they lose Hartman and\or Kooga in the process.

Not dissimilar to how Pittsburgh won their last one. PUSH PUSH PUSH
- fattybeef

Agreed. I'm a little puzzled myself because JO is not great on the right, at all. I suspect it may be more a case of "ehhh, we'd like an insurance policy should Hammer not be OK, but more importantly, someone who we trust more than 51 or 6 to play big minutes in the playoffs."

I will be honest with you, to my eye: 6 has tons of natural ability improving every game, but is still really raw and will make mistakes in the playoffs. And 51 is really on his last legs. He scares the crap out of me every time the puck gets behind him.

Also big agree on PUSH, PUSH, PUSH.

If Hammer is truly an injury concern for the post season then that is a huge problem. Regardless of what other moves they make.

Anyway, I think the Jurco pickup is a good one. The skill is there and I think he plays well enough position wise and on the boards to fill a need. Maybe being around Hossa will help get him to the next level.

I'm not sure that Oduya solves a problem. I just don't see one on that left side. The risk\reward with Kempny on the ice favors the reward with that bomb he has and his ability to make a tape to tape pass. Seabrook is probably the only other player on that roster who can hit an 80 foot outlet pass with any consistency.

I think the priority should be adding a veteran who can cover for Kruger or going all in on a deal for Duchene. I see this group as similar to the 2010 group where they will need to win by scoring a crap ton of goals. None of the teams, with the exception of San Jose, would be deep enough scoring wise to keep up with the Hawks if they added a player of Dutche's calibre or a similar forward. Even if they lose Hartman and\or Kooga in the process.

Not dissimilar to how Pittsburgh won their last one. PUSH PUSH PUSH
- fattybeef

How does the math work for Duchene over the next two season with a cap hit of $6 mill?
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How does the math work for Duchene over the next two season with a cap hit of $6 mill?

- Al[img][/img]

It doesn't unless Crawdaddy is moved. Though I suspect your question was more rhetorical in nature. Duchene to Chicago is ultimate pipe dream.

The underlying is issue is Q would rather have TVR out on defense than Campbell...And Campbell isn't going to be much help killing penalties in the playoffs.
I would think any dman they bring would need to be able to kill penalties.
- Al

Al,

Yes to the last part about killing penalties anyway.

I don't know if they will include TVR for JO, might be what it takes. But it does further cripple the right side if Hammer is indeed the issue. So maybe not and maybe that's a sticking point right now. Hard to say.

Campbell is still OK/pretty good in some ways, but he has lost two steps.

Can you go over what the protect rules are for the expansion draft and give us examples. I am not clear on entry level players do we have to protect the bread man or is he exempt. What about Schmaltz? Is there any way the Hawks can protect Hawks can protect Darling and Crow?

Thanks

Hawks way slower than Pens last year. Not even close. Pens fourth line last year were skating rings around people. Our fourth line are guys like Moose and Desi, neither would win a foot race with a dump truck.
- kwolf68

Meh, the Hawks 4th line in 2010 was Madden (SLOW) Burish (MEDIUM SLOW) and Eager (PRETTY SLOW AND DUMB)

They only need to eat 8 mins \ night and not be stupid.

Jurco Dutch Hossa hella fast and hellah good in every situation. PAC just super good. and Schmalz Panic and Toews is an eclectic mix that may just work. Especially with some juicy match ups.

Ask Leaf fans how they felt about Panik.

Ask Wings fans how they feel about Jurco.

See how that works? All I know is the Hawks have some interest on some level in Lazar, likely under the "change of scenery might be all he needs" corollary outlined above.
- John Jaeckel

Meh, he's never really shown any signs of being good to my knowledge. And I think Sens fans who watch the team regularly can attest to that.

If the Hawks get him (for (frank)ing cheap because he aint worth much right now), and he ends up being really good, I will gladly admit I'm wrong. Don't think any of that will be happening though.

It doesn't unless Crawdaddy is moved. Though I suspect your question was more rhetorical in nature. Duchene to Chicago is ultimate pipe dream.
- kwolf68

No one should take certain things for granted this summer.

It doesn't unless Crawdaddy is moved. Though I suspect your question was more rhetorical in nature. Duchene to Chicago is ultimate pipe dream.
- kwolf68

not sure it even works then because of breadman's raise

How does the math work for Duchene over the next two season with a cap hit of $6 mill?

- Al[img][/img]

Who cares if they win now? If Bowman has shown anything its that he can jettison players for space.

Powers - Chicago is shopping forward Mark McNeill and defenseman Ville Pokka leading up to Wednesday afternoon’s NHL trade deadline, according to a source.
- JRoenick97

Im sure the Hawks will love the 8 slices of bologna can of cream corn and potato wedges they get in return

Meh, he's never really shown any signs of being good to my knowledge. And I think Sens fans who watch the team regularly can attest to that.

If the Hawks get him (for (frank)ing cheap because he aint worth much right now), and he ends up being really good, I will gladly admit I'm wrong. Don't think any of that will be happening though.
- BlazinMike

Ask Leaf fans about Panik. Ask Wing fans about Jurco. Just saying.

Lazar was drafted above both of them. I am not making a qualitative statement about Lazar either.

Just adding some perspective.

Hawks way slower than Pens last year. Not even close. Pens fourth line last year were skating rings around people. Our fourth line are guys like Moose and Desi, neither would win a foot race with a dump truck.
- kwolf68

Best 3rd/4th lines usually wins the Cup and did again last year.
If the Hawks somehow find a way to win the Cup that won't be the case this time.
BTW I don't see Desi playing much in the playoffs.

Good question, or Campbell moves right. Duno, perfect world, Hammer is OK, JO just really improves the D rotation.
- John Jaeckel

Weren't Oduya's best days when he had Hjalmarsson on his right?

Haven't followed him much the last two years, but how effective has he been with Dallas?

He and Hjalmarsson were magic together, and if he would be coming back to team with his fellow Tri-Cronor, I'd be ok with that - but to be part of a plan to replace an injured #4....

Meh, the Hawks 4th line in 2010 was Madden (SLOW) Burish (MEDIUM SLOW) and Eager (PRETTY SLOW AND DUMB)

They only need to eat 8 mins \ night and not be stupid.

Jurco Dutch Hossa hella fast and hellah good in every situation. PAC just super good. and Schmalz Panic and Toews is an eclectic mix that may just work. Especially with some juicy match ups.
- fattybeef

You compared to Pens, not 2010 Hawks. 2010 Hawks were much tougher and more physical this team. 2010 Hawks were NOT super fast, they were fast in spots, but then would knock your ass out in other spots (Ladd, Brouwer, Buff, Eager).

2010 Hawks nothing like any Hawks team since. 2013 may have been "better" ,but that 2010 team was a mix of a whole lotta shaking going on.