I'd like to think there was a reason he was a leader for Canada a couple of years ago and was so highly regarded by many. I would take a chance on him. A high second, maybe even a late first, I'd take it.
- 93Joe

Agree. He maybe just needs a change of scenery, play with some champions and realize his potential. I am NOT getting my hopes up, but when JJ peddled his name out there I was like....

Lets look at this from a PLAYOFF hockey perspective....

TVR is a 5-6 D-man....nothing more...and, to his credit....nothing less...he is what he is..

Q is known to play MAYBE 5 D all playoffs....so if Stan / Q feel Oduya can play 20+ minutes a game in the playoffs they do this deal 10/10 times.
- ChicagoDave

I hear you, but in my opinion, he's developing into a pretty good Defensemen. This year especially, I've seen him join the rush more and get active down low in adding pressure offensively.

They say the hardest position in hockey to transition/develop in is on Defense. I think each year, he makes strides in getting better and better. Just my opinion, though.

I also like his willingness to block shots.

Sometimes he's injury prone (hopefully he's past that), but I would hate to lose a young guy with some upside, to a veteran coming off an injury and slowing down in his career.

Just my thoughts, though.

Agree. He maybe just needs a change of scenery, play with some champions and realize his potential. I am NOT getting my hopes up, but when JJ peddled his name out there I was like....
- kwolf68

He is a center too

And shouldn't be too much to resign.

I don't mind Stan waiting before dealing. History dictates that there is a tendency to overpay when pulling the trigger early.

The best bargains happen late when teams become desperate.
In 2014 the Kings grabbed Gaborik cheap and he was a huge factor for them winning the Cup.

Wishful thinking on my end, but what about this?

Oduya, Sharp, and $ retained - for - TVR, Desjardins, draft pick and/or a prsopect
- gpulvino

That is the EXACT type player Bowman needs to go after. Hawks don't have the money or resources to get "proven" players, so you gotta take a stab at Panik, Jurco types...cheaper, but talented players that MAY make an impact.

It's a brilliant strategy if Stan is thinking those terms. Lazar may come here and do nothing, OR he may realize his potential and slide in and contribute. Long term he could be a valuable piece, maybe even in the top 6. Remember we don't need a PPG player right now, we got those...but another bottom 6 guy who can put the puck in the net would help immensely.
- kwolf68

Ask the Sens fans how they feel about Lazar.

I hear you, but in my opinion, he's developing into a pretty good Defensemen. This year especially, I've seen him join the rush more and get active down low in adding pressure offensively.

They say the hardest position in hockey to transition/develop in is on Defense. I think each year, he makes strides in getting better and better. Just my opinion, though.

I also like his willingness to block shots.

Sometimes he's injury prone (hopefully he's past that), but I would hate to lose a young guy with some upside, to a veteran coming off an injury and slowing down in his career.

Just my thoughts, though.
- Hank3Henshaw

great insight and I agree with you....but the Cup window is now....and on Madison...they are fans of a good story....

- Jance

I'm probably the minority here, but I'm not big on trying to bring back past Hawks.

I'd rather move forward and get a guy like Lazar or something.

There seems to be this desire to "get the boys back together" to get the warm fuzzies about years now long gone.

I don't want to live in the past/past performances with these guys.

Let's move forward instead.

Ask the Sens fans how they feel about Lazar.
- BlazinMike

let's not talk about him

Ask the Sens fans how they feel about Lazar.
- BlazinMike

I am sure there is a mix of opinions. Not sure the point on top of that. If they are "DOWN" on him, that's fine. It makes sense to go after a player under the radar. If everyone was in love with the guy (including their front office) potential for acquisition is much lower.

You Do realize the point of looking at guys LIKE Lazar right? It's a shot...cheaper option, who knows. But I guess we should set our sights on Connor McDavid.

let's not talk about him
- DutchSenators

Ok, here is a Sens fan....what's your take Dutch?

I'm probably the minority here, but I'm not big on trying to bring back past Hawks.

I'd rather move forward and get a guy like Lazar or something.

There seems to be this desire to "get the boys back together" to get the warm fuzzies about years now long gone.

I don't want to live in the past/past performances with these guys.

Let's move forward instead.
- Hank3Henshaw

If you're getting the boys back together for warm feelies, don't bother. If you're getting the boys back together because you know they'd be able to play Q's system, or would need less time to get into the swing of things, I think that's a different story.

The real world isn't plug and play, so if you can have some assurances that an acquisition will fit into a certain role, that's worth something extra than just taking a player off a list and dropping them in.

Although HIGHLY unlikely, I wonder if Stan can connect with Stevie Y on a deal for a different Bolt.... one that gave the 'Hawks plenty of fits in the SC... Anton Stralman.

Stralman has one more season after this one at a $4.5 million dollar clip, and I'd have to imagine that with Tampa's pending cap crunch if they'd be willing to move him in order to squeeze in Palat, Johnson, etc.

Stralman is one of THE best defensive d-men in the league. He's very mobile, and he's good at moving the puck as well. Not to mention...he's a Swede so he fits in the cultural mold of what the front office likes.

Having him and Hammer together as a second pairing would be HUGE from a defensive perspective. It would be a terrific upgrade, and as JJ alluded to earlier, might coincide with a "higher profile" target.

Of course, it takes two to tango, and Stevie Y will likely not move him, but it's an avenue worth exploring considering just how good defensively Stralman is and how it would shore up the second pairing allowing Campbell and Kempny to be a good third pair.

From a cap perspective, maybe with Tampa retaining some salary, could acquire a TvR, Pokka, and 2nd round pick or something like that. Probably not enough.

If you're getting the boys back together for warm feelies, don't bother. If you're getting the boys back together because you know they'd be able to play Q's system, or would need less time to get into the swing of things, I think that's a different story.

The real world isn't plug and play, so if you can have some assurances that an acquisition will fit into a certain role, that's worth something extra than just taking a player off a list and dropping them in.
- tcmoritz

THIS EXACTLY ^^^ the only warm fuzzy moment is when you are hoisting the Cup-- and if a former Hawk gives the best chance / option available-- I say do it--

So getting Oduya would just be a sideways move to protect against losing Hammer. And if TVR is part of the package then I could see some 3-wheel shopping cart come playoff time.
- kwolf68

Good question, or Campbell moves right. Duno, perfect world, Hammer is OK, JO just really improves the D rotation.

Stralman would be nice. Don't see it, but fun to talk about.

Although HIGHLY unlikely, I wonder if Stan can connect with Stevie Y on a deal for a different Bolt.... one that gave the 'Hawks plenty of fits in the SC... Anton Stralman.

Stralman has one more season after this one at a $4.5 million dollar clip, and I'd have to imagine that with Tampa's pending cap crunch if they'd be willing to move him in order to squeeze in Palat, Johnson, etc.

Stralman is one of THE best defensive d-men in the league. He's very mobile, and he's good at moving the puck as well. Not to mention...he's a Swede so he fits in the cultural mold of what the front office likes.

Having him and Hammer together as a second pairing would be HUGE from a defensive perspective. It would be a terrific upgrade, and as JJ alluded to earlier, might coincide with a "higher profile" target.

Of course, it takes two to tango, and Stevie Y will likely not move him, but it's an avenue worth exploring considering just how good defensively Stralman is and how it would shore up the second pairing allowing Campbell and Kempny to be a good third pair.

From a cap perspective, maybe with Tampa retaining some salary, could acquire a TvR, Pokka, and 2nd round pick or something like that. Probably not enough.
- TommyHawk

D is something they need down there, not that they want to give away. They aren't moving Stralman. Best we could get is Garrison.

Good question, or Campbell moves right. Duno, perfect world, Hammer is OK, JO just really improves the D rotation.
- John Jaeckel

Perfect world indeed.

My question is are the Hawks done looking at offensive depth? Be it wing or even center who can win draws? Hawks are playing good hockey, but I still see weaknesses. Yea, most teams have various weaknesses, although I submit Minnesota and Washington are exceptions to that rule.

I don't mind Stan waiting before dealing. History dictates that there is a tendency to overpay when pulling the trigger early.

The best bargains happen late when teams become desperate.
In 2014 the Kings grabbed Gaborik cheap and he was a huge factor for them winning the Cup.
- 67hawks

Sometimes........ but I certainly haven't seen an overpayment thus far in this Trade Deadline. Wild stole 2 good players for picks, Kings on Bishop No, Boyle to Toronto No, etc........... let's just hope that Stan doesn't be the GM that overpays. His track record hasn't been the best on trades........ Kimmo and Rundblad for 2's ??? Rentals last year that didn't work out ?? We all know the list !!

I hear you, but in my opinion, he's developing into a pretty good Defensemen. This year especially, I've seen him join the rush more and get active down low in adding pressure offensively.

They say the hardest position in hockey to transition/develop in is on Defense. I think each year, he makes strides in getting better and better. Just my opinion, though.

I also like his willingness to block shots.

Sometimes he's injury prone (hopefully he's past that), but I would hate to lose a young guy with some upside, to a veteran coming off an injury and slowing down in his career.

Just my thoughts, though.
- Hank3Henshaw

TVR is coming along nicely, but he needs to be a bottom pair, most of the time, and a middle pair sometimes. Q throwing him in the fire on the top pairing doesn't look good on him. He's still pretty young.

Ask the Sens fans how they feel about Lazar.
- BlazinMike

Ask Leaf fans how they felt about Panik.

Ask Wings fans how they feel about Jurco.

See how that works? All I know is the Hawks have some interest on some level in Lazar, likely under the "change of scenery might be all he needs" corollary outlined above.

Perfect world indeed.

My question is are the Hawks done looking at offensive depth? Be it wing or even center who can win draws? Hawks are playing good hockey, but I still see weaknesses. Yea, most teams have various weaknesses, although I submit Minnesota and Washington are exceptions to that rule.
- kwolf68

Dunno.

Filpulla approached to waive one of his 13 "no trade" teams.

If you're getting the boys back together for warm feelies, don't bother. If you're getting the boys back together because you know they'd be able to play Q's system, or would need less time to get into the swing of things, I think that's a different story.

The real world isn't plug and play, so if you can have some assurances that an acquisition will fit into a certain role, that's worth something extra than just taking a player off a list and dropping them in.
- tcmoritz

Good points.

But, let's be honest, there's a number of people who want those guys back simply for the "warm fuzzies."

Sharp, Oduya, etc. are all older, too. I get the idea of knowing the system, etc., but I think I'd rather have a young guy that I think I can mold.

Remember last year with Ladd? He is an example of a guy that "should have known the system" and it didn't work out. So, nothing is guaranteed, even with the past players.

But, I get your point that it's more likely they'd slot in faster.

It's honestly all a gamble whether or not they're new or returning players. Truth is, you just don't know what will work out.

To highlight how bad Ottawa got burned in that Burrows trade:

https://twitter.com/lindq...status/836331443693355009

They gave up a great prospect.