Considering they kept Vrana, it's a good trade for them. I'm shocked they did TBH. That team is stacked head to toe. They're Cup or bust.
- Mononoke

more has to be going back to the blues you would think to fit shattenkirk under the cap even if the blues retain salary

Your thoughts on making simmonds available sir?
- Just5

I'd probably do it for the right return. They have to be looking for a young, scoring center right now who drives play at ES. They are crazy if they aren't

Couturier is fine in the No. 2 hole. And you don't have to have a legit No. 1 to win hockey games. But they have to find another forward who drives play at ES, because one isn't enough

Right now they have Voracek and Couturier who can reliably generate shots at ES. That's just not enough. Giroux has value because of his expertise at running a PP, but they can't ignore the ES woes any longer

Goaltending this year killed them. But the ES scoring has been a problem since Jagr left, and they have to start fixing it

So if that is the case, then there are no plaudits to be given to the management team that stands pat when the NHL roster they built is cratering

They might be good in 3-5 years. They might not. Doing nothing but waiting isn't going to guarantee it, one way or the other

You either hit on picks, hit on a FA signing, hit on a trade. But only using one of the three avenues available to you when other franchises are using three is not the way to go, imo
- AllInForFlyers

We are in a rebuild. Waiting and being patient is what that entails. Pretty please explain all the trades and signings and decisions you want to happen that aren't happening that you think will improve the present and future. Because I see no details.....just we need to get better NOW.

If anything this cratering should have the opposite reaction to buying pieces. It should demand even more patience, and perhaps a careful assessment of the NHL roster long term.

So who could be in the market for Streit or MDZ?

So who could be in the market for Streit or MDZ?
- Baxter27

Edmonton, boston, Pittsburgh, LA.

Basically all playoff teams love to add depth. Its needed with the the physical play.

They can't get anything for Streit.

Bad teams making moves...

Except the Flyers... who seem content with this team

We are in a rebuild. Waiting and being patient is what that entails. Pretty please explain all the trades and signings and decisions you want to happen that aren't happening that you think will improve the present and future. Because I see no details.....just we need to get better NOW.

If anything this cratering should have the opposite reaction to buying pieces. It should demand even more patience, and perhaps a careful assessment of the NHL roster long term.
- Mononoke

I look at it the other way -- tell the truth: What has been done to improve the forward corps since Wheels was signed?

Nothing. No trades, no other FA signings.

So when was this team supposed to be winning during the peak production years of Giroux and Voracek? You move Hartnell because you want to get the cap in order...OK. Then you move Wheels and Schenn and get some more room under the cap...to do what?

You cannot defend inaction when other teams all around you are just as hamstrung with ugly contracts and are still trying to improve the NHL roster via trade -- Pittsburgh is a prime example. They have as many top-end contracts as anyone in the league, hadn't won a Cup in seven years and could easily have said the window is closed, yet they kept trying, burned picks and cap space in Phil Kessel and other pieces, and won another Cup

You can't look at it like I have to identify the trades and moves the Flyers should make. You have to look around and see that other successful teams are finding ways to make them

Not every move will work. That Is the price of doing business

But you don't automatically get gold stars for making no moves -- this team has enough pieces and assets where you need to suck it up and find a move that works.

You are paying Giroux and Voracek $8 million, you have Simmonds on a team-friendly deal, you extended Schenn -- you are supposed to be winning now!

They can't get anything for Streit.

Bad teams making moves...

Except the Flyers... who seem content with this team
- MikesPillBottle

Can only hope that as trades are made more teams become desperate and overpay for streit or MDZ.

So if that is the case, then there are no plaudits to be given to the management team that stands pat when the NHL roster they built is cratering

They might be good in 3-5 years. They might not. Doing nothing but waiting isn't going to guarantee it, one way or the other

You either hit on picks, hit on a FA signing, hit on a trade. But only using one of the three avenues available to you when other franchises are using three is not the way to go, imo
- AllInForFlyers

I agree with you about needing some pretty big changes, but the trade deadline isn't typically the time teams are willing to make wholesale changes. Usually it's a smaller, more short term deal, as in bulking up for the playoff push.

I think most teams are thinking more long term in the off season and draft day. That's where we should expect more wholesale changes. At this point, I'd like to see them get as many picks as they can for the UFA's.

Hexy has shown he can pretty creative on draft day.

Watching the kings vs wild game. Its almost like I forgot what it looks like when a game goes back and forth. Got used to Flyers getting scored on and folding.

Can only hope that as trades are made more teams become desperate and overpay for streit or MDZ.
- johm12

They should get a 3rd for Streit, maybe a late second if they are lucky

MDZ should get a 3rd plus maybe a 5th or 6th

Shattenkirk, Bishop, Borrows, Hazel, Hainsey, Boyle, Pulkkenan, Eaves, Jurco. I'm sure glad the Flyers are in a hurry to move their garbage.

They should get a 3rd for Streit, maybe a late second if they are lucky

MDZ should get a 3rd plus maybe a 5th or 6th
- AllInForFlyers

It's probably a blink first at this point. I'd prefer 2018 picks, but at this point take what you can get.

I agree with you about needing some pretty big changes, but the trade deadline isn't typically the time teams are willing to make wholesale changes. Usually it's a smaller, more short term deal, as in bulking up for the playoff push.

I think most teams are thinking more long term in the off season and draft day. That's where we should expect more wholesale changes. At this point, I'd like to see them get as many picks as they can for the UFA's.

Hexy has shown he can pretty creative on draft day.
- WhirlingDervish

That's where they are now; they should be collecting picks.

But after this bitterly disappointing season ends, I sure hope we see some creativity that helps the NHL roster as ES. They can't go another three years on a hope and a prayer

They can't get anything for Streit.

Bad teams making moves...

Except the Flyers... who seem content with this team
- MikesPillBottle

I owe you an apology; I told you I would own it if you were right about the weakness of this roster and I was wrong

You were right. I was wrong.

It's probably a blink first at this point. I'd prefer 2018 picks, but at this point take what you can get.
- jstross

Yeah. Truthfully, neither of them have played well enough to generate more interest, though I could see a contender with multiple picks, if there is one, burning a second on Streit if they are desperate

That's where they are now; they should be collecting picks.

But after this bitterly disappointing season ends, I sure hope we see some creativity that helps the NHL roster as ES. They can't go another three years on a hope and a prayer
- AllInForFlyers

They need a few mid round picks to become contributors. also doesnt help when your 1st rounders form 2012-2014 havent made an impact yet either. Hopefully that will change soon.

They need a few mid round picks to become contributors. also doesnt help when your 1st rounders form 2012-2014 havent made an impact yet either. Hopefully that will change soon.
- johm12

Yeah. Gotta hope. That frustrates me, too -- not that Laughton and Morin aren't ready. You don't have to bail on them, and sometimes picks don't make it

But that is my point: If we are waiting on Laughton and Morin to ride in on white horses, that is asking a lot. Sometimes, you gotta look outside your organization

Sanheim sounds like he could be more impactful, and we have to hope he will be

They can't get anything for Streit.

Bad teams making moves...

Except the Flyers... who seem content with this team
- MikesPillBottle

Don't be ridiculous. Streit has decent value.

Man, Caps are all in this season..

I hope they win for OV's sake..

Man, Caps are all in this season..

I hope they win for OV's sake..
- opeth_pa

No question, definitely pulling for the Caps this year.

He doesn't realize he just made fun of himself without me having to lift a finger. It's too precious.

I just went back and deleted every time I posted that.
- Mononoke

You realize that I don't care. I come on here once in a blue moon. You are here everyday... I don't have to make fun of you.

still no trades

Edmonton, boston, Pittsburgh, LA.

Basically all playoff teams love to add depth. Its needed with the the physical play.
- J35Bacher

please no.

i'm already on the ledge from the hainsey/shattenkirk deals respectively.

if the pens traded for streit i think i might live stream myself drinking bleach.