Ya I get that.
But the original convo was around how many losses.
- Fakepartofme

No it was their record. You said they had a losing record, but they clearly do not..

Get it straight..

No it was their record. You said they had a losing record, but they clearly do not..

Get it straight..
- bixll

Depends on how you want to define it - Their Pts% is 56.6% (69 out of 122), their win percentage is 45.9% (28 wins in 61 games).

No no keep trying.
I get it.
But the reality is OTL is Overtime loss...which is a loss. So when it comes wins and losses.
The leafs have lost more games than they've won. That's just the reality.

But in this system with the loser point....the 13 loser points makes them a playoff team...and as I said several times....I'll take that.
- Fakepartofme

You're right..

Leafs are 28-33

They can spin it however they want but the Leafs have lost 5 more games than they won. IMO they need to be above .500 to be a threat.. right now they are fortunate losers.

No it was their record. You said they had a losing record, but they clearly do not..

Get it straight..
- bixll

Leave it to Leafs fans to be in a playoff spot and argue about the semantics of whether they're a good team or a bunch of losers

For 90 (frank)in years they each got a point after the first 60 minutes.. Called a tie..
- bixll

So when things change you just stand there and whine about it and not accept it?

You're like my dad and the stupid (frank)ing imperial system.. It's litres now not cups or gallons or furlongs or whatever stupid people back in the day came up with

Leave it to Leafs fans to be in a playoff spot and argue about the semantics of whether they're a good team or a bunch of losers




- RickJames77

Leave it to the bruins for that to be a redundant question

You're right..

Leafs are 28-33

They can spin it however they want but the Leafs have lost 5 more games than they won. IMO they need to be above .500 to be a threat.. right now they are fortunate losers.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

agreed. difference between a fringe playoff team and a contender.

Leave it to Leafs fans to be in a playoff spot and argue about the semantics of whether they're a good team or a bunch of losers




- RickJames77

I think it says a lot though when you have the most OT/SO losses in the league..

The Leafs don't have enough finish. And thats 100% because of the youth. Our OT record isnt terrible, but we are 1-7 in shootouts... With the skill on this team you'd think we'd be better..

Maybe Babs isn't giving them enough time to practice shootout moves.

I agree, need to add a D I think by TDL to make the final push.
- Garnie

Yep.
But I only think a top4 d-man makes sense.
Leafs have about 6 5-6-7 d-men, and not too sure there are too many options around that could actually mean an improvement over the current group [at reasonable cost].

I think Babcock likes Polak-Hunwick too much to have a player taking their place that only be a marginal improvement over them.

Looking at top4 d-men that might be available since team out of playoffs and potentially being lost in expansion draft:

Dan Hamhuis.
and [maybe - if you consider him top4] Thomas Hickey.
EDIT: and maybe Dmitri Kulikov

agreed. difference between a fringe playoff team and a contender.
- Tumbleweed

Well many of us didn't even expect fringe playoff team this year so they're doing well! The later should be for the next 2 years of growing and exp.

Honestly who gives a poop whether its called loser point or a tie, the fact is you make it to OT and you get a point. With more experience they should be able to hold those leads and avoid the OT all together so we can avoid this petty bickering.

Go Leafs Go

I think it says a lot though when you have the most OT/SO losses in the league..

The Leafs don't have enough finish. And thats 100% because of the youth. Our OT record isnt terrible, but we are 1-7 in shootouts... With the skill on this team you'd think we'd be better..

Maybe Babs isn't giving them enough time to practice shootout moves.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

There was one year, I believe, when the Bruins had the most. They won like 2 or 3 of 14. Unbelievably frustrating even if you understand it's due to a lack of finish.

Yep.
But I only think a top4 d-man makes sense.
Leafs have about 6 5-6-7 d-men, and not too sure there are too many options around that could actually mean an improvement over the current group
- MaximusAurelius[at reasonable cost].

I think Babcock likes Polak-Hunwick too much to have a player taking their place that only be a marginal improvement over them.

Looking at top4 d-men that might be available since team out of playoffs and potentially being lost in expansion draft:

Dan Hamhuis.
and [maybe - if you consider him top4] Thomas Hickey.

I like Hickey.. He has some snarl too..

I think if they can add a reliable 4/5/6 guy it would go a long way. Im hoping they find an older guy who is still fast and can move the puck well. Young defensemen rarely provide stability and thats what they need. A top 4 would be great, but its a move they'll probably make at the deadline.. Im hoping they move Polak for another second and trade for someone else to take his spot. Theres no better time to trade JVR than now..

Yep.
But I only think a top4 d-man makes sense.
Leafs have about 6 5-6-7 d-men, and not too sure there are too many options around that could actually mean an improvement over the current group
- MaximusAurelius[at reasonable cost].

I think Babcock likes Polak-Hunwick too much to have a player taking their place that only be a marginal improvement over them.

Looking at top4 d-men that might be available since team out of playoffs and potentially being lost in expansion draft:

Dan Hamhuis.
and [maybe - if you consider him top4] Thomas Hickey.
EDIT: and maybe Dmitri Kulikov

Yeah going after 1 of those 2 would help for the right price.

I think it says a lot though when you have the most OT/SO losses in the league..

The Leafs don't have enough finish. And thats 100% because of the youth. Our OT record isnt terrible, but we are 1-7 in shootouts... With the skill on this team you'd think we'd be better..

Maybe Babs isn't giving them enough time to practice shootout moves.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I thought we all agreed it was all the fault of the shootout coach

Well many of us didn't even expect fringe playoff team so they're doing well! The later should be for the next 2 years of growing and exp.

Honestly who gives a poop whether its called loser point or a tie, the fact is you make it to OT and you get a point. With more experience they should be able to hold those leads and avoid the OT all together so we can avoid this petty bickering.

Go Leafs Go
- BKups

i'm not complaining. i certainly didn't expect them to be this good.

reality is it doesn't take a traditional '.500' record to make the playoffs. but you're probably not going very far if you get in with that.

if you're better than 50% of teams, i'd say you're better than average.

No it was their record. You said they had a losing record, but they clearly do not..

Get it straight..
- bixll

So sensitive.
You need to chill

28 wins
20 losses
13 OTL - overtime LOSSES

of the 61 games they've played...they've won 45.9%

Its pretty straight.

Pulkinnen traded

i'm not complaining. i certainly didn't expect them to be this good.

reality is it doesn't take a traditional '.500' record to make the playoffs. but you're probably not going very far if you get in with that.

if you're better than 50% of teams, i'd say you're better than average.
- Tumbleweed

50% of the time it works every time....

There was one year, I believe, when the Bruins had the most. They won like 2 or 3 of 14. Unbelievably frustrating even if you understand it's due to a lack of finish.
- RickJames77

I guess coaches don't panic about the SO until mid season (if they are bad at it) and then maybe wait too long to correct it. If the Leafs won 5 more OT/SO they'd be tied with MTL with a game in hand...

(frank)

Still arguing about loser points?

Question about bonuses ..... if we have cap space this year does it come off of this years cap or does it come out of next year's cap regardless?

So sensitive.
You need to chill

28 wins
20 losses
13 OTL - overtime LOSSES

of the 61 games they've played...they've won 45.9%

Its pretty straight.

Pulkinnen traded
- Fakepartofme

Don't leave us hanging for a first 2017, a second 2018 and a conditional 4th?

You're right..

Leafs are 28-33

They can spin it however they want but the Leafs have lost 5 more games than they won. IMO they need to be above .500 to be a threat.. right now they are fortunate losers.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Agreed
That's really all I said...and that I was glad they were still in the playoffs.
Whatever works to get them into the playoffs

But some people.

Still arguing about loser points?


- markmark

Don't leave us hanging for a first 2017, a second 2018 and a conditional 4th?
- BKups

Sorry.
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