My prediction. Pokka and a 5th round pick to Arizona for Luke Schenn. Big strong and cheap RH Def. Under contract next year and will replace TVR who is our most likely candidate to be picked in EXP Draft. Will fill role in playoffs as 3rd pairing big body in case whoever we play is more of a grinding than wide open series

A lot of our reactions if what you say happens...

- 93Joe

Ok ,explain to me why we wouldn't want a kid like Matt Duchene playing on Toews wing for the next few years, I love Hartman,but damn, the old give to get applies here. I am sure they will draft another kid like Hartman if he is part of a trade like that. I don't think it's happening though.
Your right on, that will be me come wed. At 2pm when the only move we made is either the Pizzaman or Iginla and one of these other big fish move for something we could have beat.

My prediction. Pokka and a 5th round pick to Arizona for Luke Schenn. Big strong and cheap RH Def. Under contract next year and will replace TVR who is our most likely candidate to be picked in EXP Draft. Will fill role in playoffs as 3rd pairing big body in case whoever we play is more of a grinding than wide open series
- Marylandhawkfan

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For Pokka and a fifth--done. But I dunno if Arizona dies that deal.

Honest question and still is. If I understand you correctly you believe there are enough sophisticated Hawk fans who understand what goes on with the TDL that the spin is for them? And that Nill, Stevie Y or Rutherford take another GM's comments made for his fans to heart?

I think Walleye has a good point that Stan's comments are for Jurco mostly and his players to a lesser degree.

How long do I think they pursued Jurco? I have no way of knowing other than to say Jurco fits the Hawks' style to a T. But you make a good point that it shouldn't take 6 weeks of negotiations to land a guy who's been scratched 20 times straight.

My political persuasion? It's simple, I believe the slob who punches a time clock is the job creator. He/she creates the demand.
- Mr Ricochet

Having been to a ton of UC games, more than half there are for atmosphere, including dancing to that stupid goal song.

And players know their place. Jurco knows he wasn't in discussion for six weeks.

And persuasion? It's value. Period. Function and features divided by price.

Ok ,explain to me why we wouldn't want a kid like Matt Duchene playing on Toews wing for the next few years, I love Hartman,but damn, the old give to get applies here. I am sure they will draft another kid like Hartman if he is part of a trade like that. I don't think it's happening though.
Your right on, that will be me come wed. At 2pm when the only move we made is either the Pizzaman or Iginla and one of these other big fish move for something we could have beat.
- wonthecup10

It ain't so simple as that. Duchene makes 6 million per season. Next year Breadman will get 6 million per season. The Hawks have some RFA for next year too. So you give up Hartman and give up what else to make room on an already top heavy roster?

An observation in regards to defensive acquisitions by Bowman & Co. -

They essentially come out of left field. Think of the defensive players Bowman has acquired in recent memory: Timonen, Ehrhoff, Scuderi, Daley, Rundblad, Oduya, and Campoli....

NONE of those players (except for maybe Ehrhoff or maybe it was just discussed as a possibility around here) were previously connected to the Hawks in ANY trade rumors.

So should the Hawks go out and acquire a d-man before Wednesday's deadline, I'm willing to bet that it's a player that we didn't consider before and one that might not have even [openly] been available for trade on the market.

On a side note, that list of d-men aforementioned above (save Oduya) makes me CRINGE. None of them panned out and we were all ecstatic to see them leave the roster (though to be fair, Campoli never truly got a fair shake around here and will forever be remembered for his failed clearing attempt).

Ok ,explain to me why we wouldn't want a kid like Matt Duchene playing on Toews wing for the next few years, I love Hartman,but damn, the old give to get applies here. I am sure they will draft another kid like Hartman if he is part of a trade like that. I don't think it's happening though.
Your right on, that will be me come wed. At 2pm when the only move we made is either the Pizzaman or Iginla and one of these other big fish move for something we could have beat.
- wonthecup10

we might share the latter part of your post.

Young and cost controlled for Hartman. Duchene will be a around for two years (potentially). As someone already brought up... $6M for Panarin next year. $6M for Duchene. What happens with Darling? Speculation and some empirical evidence (salary cap) show that a big salary has to go. You can probably keep Hartman for close to 4 years depending on the term he signs. And it would most likely be less than $6M.

I think the Hawks sights will be lower than Duchene or Palat. I think they will be upgrading the bottom 6 and bottom pair more.

I think more likely we someone like

Eaves (for the right price)
Brett Richie
Lauri Korpikoski
Marcus Foligno
Brian Gionta
Tomas Vanek
Kyle Quincey
Michael Del Zotto
Nick Schultz

Ok ,explain to me why we wouldn't want a kid like Matt Duchene playing on Toews wing for the next few years, I love Hartman,but damn, the old give to get applies here. I am sure they will draft another kid like Hartman if he is part of a trade like that. I don't think it's happening though.
Your right on, that will be me come wed. At 2pm when the only move we made is either the Pizzaman or Iginla and one of these other big fish move for something we could have beat.
- wonthecup10

Hartman and Schmaltz - while certainly not at the caliber of Duschene - do provide effective minutes (with potential to improve) - and most importantly - provide cost-effective depth to a team that is already top-heavy in terms of cap $s committed to its top players. You trade those guys away - and it depletes team depth and compounds the inability to address it by being slammed up against the cap.

Guys

I am doing the best I can.

Give me a break...

http://www.detroitnews.co...-emphasis-draft/98456750/

Sorry if this has already been posted. A bit about Jurco...

Guys

I am doing the best I can.

Give me a break...
- Stan_Bowman

Guys

I am doing the best I can.

Give me a break...
- Stan_Bowman

Hey stanny boy, we like JJs info but you should probably go call edmonton about that Mcdavid kid. seems like he could be a good fit here

- ILGolfer

Guys

I am doing the best I can.

Give me a break...
- Stan_Bowman

Well played.

- Stan_Bowman

5 on 5, over the course of a game, you are right.

Late in one goal games, and in the d-zone on the PK, they matter a lot more. In the "dark era" before Kruger blossomed as a face-off guy there was a serious problem for the Hawks not having an option beyond Toews, and Toews was getting overworked having to take key draws in ALL situations. So it mattered that much to Q then. I also recall Tampa trying to get back into games late in the SCF in 2015, and just not being able to win pucks because Vermette and Toews were owning them, hawks would get possession, move the puck around, send it deep, repeat. Saw it with my own eyes.

But we ARE probably making more of face-offs than we should and not looking at just how centers match up. Lots of big, physical good centers in the West: Getzlaf, Kesler, Thornton, Koivu, Haula, Carter, etc. takes a big boy or someone who plays big to go to war against those guys in the playoffs.
- John Jaeckel

Its important no doubt, like playing physical and winning board battles is but its a tough one to measure and if theyre going to be short somewhere they could do worse. How does Kooga match up with that group injured I think is an important question. And I think his health is a bigger concern then a LW for Toews or another defender unless Hammer is dunzo for the year.

Perhaps with the Jurco addition (and with Hossa to mentor him), that makes Hartman somewhat expendable and they can flip him for Duchene, win this year and call it a day. Especially for a player that can play more than one position and and make the hawks stupid good up the middle.

The payment for Hanzel was ridiculous. A late second or early third and a raw prospect with upside should have gotten that done. A first, second and conditional which can turn into another second (and that probably happens with the Hawks) is just silly for that player and could make a hard summer even more difficult.

It isn't bad from an unknown asset standpoint but for having assets (or a lack of them) to move players in the summer or next year. Not a huge miss for the cost IMO.

An observation in regards to defensive acquisitions by Bowman & Co. -

They essentially come out of left field. Think of the defensive players Bowman has acquired in recent memory: Timonen, Ehrhoff, Scuderi, Daley, Rundblad, Oduya, and Campoli....

NONE of those players (except for maybe Ehrhoff or maybe it was just discussed as a possibility around here) were previously connected to the Hawks in ANY trade rumors.

So should the Hawks go out and acquire a d-man before Wednesday's deadline, I'm willing to bet that it's a player that we didn't consider before and one that might not have even
- TommyHawk[openly] been available for trade on the market.

On a side note, that list of d-men aforementioned above (save Oduya) makes me CRINGE. None of them panned out and we were all ecstatic to see them leave the roster (though to be fair, Campoli never truly got a fair shake around here and will forever be remembered for his failed clearing attempt).

C'mon down Eric Gelinas and Jeff Schultz.

Guys,

Tanner Glass is available from the Rangers. Gorton wants a 2nd for him.

What do I do?

WHAT DO I DO!?
I really want to make this deal...

5 on 5, over the course of a game, you are right.

Late in one goal games, and in the d-zone on the PK, they matter a lot more. In the "dark era" before Kruger blossomed as a face-off guy there was a serious problem for the Hawks not having an option beyond Toews, and Toews was getting overworked having to take key draws in ALL situations. So it mattered that much to Q then. I also recall Tampa trying to get back into games late in the SCF in 2015, and just not being able to win pucks because Vermette and Toews were owning them, hawks would get possession, move the puck around, send it deep, repeat. Saw it with my own eyes.

But we ARE probably making more of face-offs than we should and not looking at just how centers match up. Lots of big, physical good centers in the West: Getzlaf, Kesler, Thornton, Koivu, Haula, Carter, etc. takes a big boy or someone who plays big to go to war against those guys in the playoffs.
- John Jaeckel

The Hawks have won without being a great faceoff team...The analytical argument for overestimating the importance of a faceoff is hinged on an inaccurate hypothesis... That all puck battles are equal, and faceoffs are merely a puck battle.

The reason faceoffs are different is-Although hockey is not a sport with a ton of set plays-The majority of set plays happen off a faceoff win and quite a few goals are scored that way after a win in the offensive zone.

Guys,

Tanner Glass is available from the Rangers. Gorton wants a 2nd for him.

What do I do?

WHAT DO I DO!?
I really want to make this deal...
- Stan_Bowman

You would be better off trading for James Tanner.

Its important no doubt, like playing physical and winning board battles is but its a tough one to measure and if theyre going to be short somewhere they could do worse. How does Kooga match up with that group injured I think is an important question. And I think his health is a bigger concern then a LW for Toews or another defender unless Hammer is dunzo for the year.

Perhaps with the Jurco addition (and with Hossa to mentor him), that makes Hartman somewhat expendable and they can flip him for Duchene, win this year and call it a day. Especially for a player that can play more than one position and and make the hawks stupid good up the middle.

The payment for Hanzel was ridiculous. A late second or early third and a raw prospect with upside should have gotten that done. A first, second and conditional which can turn into another second (and that probably happens with the Hawks) is just silly for that player and could make a hard summer even more difficult.

It isn't bad from an unknown asset standpoint but for having assets (or a lack of them) to move players in the summer or next year. Not a huge miss for the cost IMO.
- fattybeef

My point that was made about 20 pages ago was-If Kruger isn't hurt why doesn't he take every faceoff rather than Moose. Hockey logic says to me if Kruger is being replaced at the Dot by a player who on average is worse than him, it must be because there is an injury issue.

Guys

I am doing the best I can.

Give me a break...
- Stan_Bowman

Why haven't you traded for Malkin yet StanBo? Are you really trying your best?

NCAA free agent: http://www.collegehockeyn...eese_out_to_prove_hes.php

Stats: http://www.eliteprospects...m/player.php?player=98068

Why haven't you traded for Malkin yet StanBo? Are you really trying your best?
- AusHawk

Malkin??? Why not Sid???

Vinnie, Pokka, Sved, and a conditional 4th! Git' 'her done Stanbo!