It's an absolute gamble whether or not either of those picks plays in the NHL. It's hard to say whether or not we should have just kept him. Picks between 25-30 have about a 15% chance to become a top-6 forward, top-4 defenseman, or better.

So weigh that against the negatives of not having him for the rest of the year.
- Blue Clam

Copley and Malone are UFAs at the end of the year. Blues got future cost certainty and picks for a player that likely was the focus of the "independent contractors" commentary.

Ville Husso now has room to play...

Reports are that Blues retain 39% of Shattenkirk cap hit.

So was Oshie for a WCF run worth it? I stick by my analysis back then. I would have rather had the cap room and picks and prospects. I'm very underwhelmed with this deal at first pass but I need to learn more about the two prospects.

Copley and Malone are UFAs at the end of the year. Blues got future cost certainty and picks for a player that likely was the focus of the "independent contractors" commentary.

Ville Husso now has room to play...
- eggsegan

Hmm, I thought Copley was a RFA, but Capfriendly.com says he's a Group 6 UFA. I don't claim to know what constitutes a Group 6 FA though. THN's site had him as RFA at one point, I'm pretty sure.

I never got the sense Shattenkirk was the focus of the "contractor" comment. He's always been such a stand-up guy for interviews, still producing some good numbers. I would think Lehtera and Stastny were more the focus with the salaries they are getting for the mediocre performance.

Reports are that Blues retain 39% of Shattenkirk cap hit.

So was Oshie for a WCF run worth it? I stick by my analysis back then. I would have rather had the cap room and picks and prospects. I'm very underwhelmed with this deal at first pass but I need to learn more about the two prospects.
- Jason Millen

In what context? That's what we just got. Are you upset about Copely? According to Strickland they wanted to make a spot for the younger Husso. Might come back to bite us like some of Army's other goalie moves but at 25 Copley probably doesn't have much room to improve.

You can make the argument that they shouldn't have traded him but as far as the deal, without an extension that was the going rate.

They must be pretty high on Sanford. I have to think that they could have gotten the 1st, second, prospect package from several different teams but Sanford was probably the best center available.

They must be pretty high on Sanford. I have to think that they could have gotten the 1st, second, prospect package from several different teams but Sanford was probably the best center available.
- fattyboubatty

Agreed.

Blues fans wanted him gone as a rental. Now mad that they got a rental return? Something tells me that fans were going to be mad either way.......

Agreed.

Blues fans wanted him gone as a rental. Now mad that they got a rental return? Something tells me that fans were going to be mad either way.......
- carcus

The Blues traded a 14th overall pick & an undrafted goalie for a later first round pick, a second round prospect, a second round pick, & fourth round pick.

This trade won't be settled until the Blues work out their drafts.

seriously what did we all expect to get for shatty?

Any realistic chance the blues use both firsts they have to try and move up in to the top 2?

I know it will likely be more to it than that but having two firsts in this weak draft seems like they need to do something else

As sought after as he was, I expected alot more. Typical Armstrong.

seriously what did we all expect to get for shatty?

Any realistic chance the blues use both firsts they have to try and move up in to the top 2?

I know it will likely be more to it than that but having two firsts in this weak draft seems like they need to do something else
- sycsam

The return was about what i expected, would have preferred the 2nd round pick be guarenteed but whatever. I could see the caps 1st round pick being used to have vegas draft a certain player during the x draft

Another stellar trade Armstrong!

Bob McKenzie bringing up Sobotka's name

I think that ship has sailed but if someone calls Army has to move him

If I were Vegas I might consider taking Sobo in the ED

Agreed.

Blues fans wanted him gone as a rental. Now mad that they got a rental return? Something tells me that fans were going to be mad either way.......
- carcus

This sounds about right.

Because a player the Caps were high on that just turned pro getting that much NHL experience is hardly some junk fringe NHL prospect.

Getting a first gives us more assets. Should the first slide down the line then you also get a second so that pick retains a value no matter what.

Perron, Oshie and Berglund were all late first rounders if I remember right. Backes was a second rounder, as was Stastny as was Sanford. This easily makes Lehtera expendable either now or in the upcoming expansion draft. Before it was difficult because a lack of center depth. Hell Broadziak is also expendable because you now have three younger centers who provide as good as if not better replacement value with cap savings.

To me it also likely suggests Stastny will walk or be moved soon.

Love this trade. It was exactly what I expected we'd get for him. Lets see how this Sandford kid does. Copely was gone at the end of the year anyways. Husso is our top prospected in goal and now he gets to start in the AHL or back up Allen instead of playing in Europe were I could see us loosing him.

I hope we can sell off Sobotka and / or Yakupov now.

Also keeping 39% of Shatty's contract does nothing to us. We aren't adding any big pieces and it comes off the books after this year.

Upshall is out of the lineup today.... trade fodder?

In what context? That's what we just got. Are you upset about Copely? According to Strickland they wanted to make a spot for the younger Husso. Might come back to bite us like some of Army's other goalie moves but at 25 Copley probably doesn't have much room to improve.

You can make the argument that they shouldn't have traded him but as far as the deal, without an extension that was the going rate.
- fattyboubatty

back then the oshie trade. i would have rather traded oshie for picks and prospects than Brouwer which is what i said at the time. Copley wasn't necessary with binnington and husso imho. what i saw of him seemed to confirm that. This trade definitely confirms this.

Agreed.

Blues fans wanted him gone as a rental. Now mad that they got a rental return? Something tells me that fans were going to be mad either way.......
- carcus

For me, it's very low 1st vs mid 1st or 2018 first, a prospect that i don't see as a prospect and a marginal prospect. I saw the value as higher than that.

Hawks going for it again. bringing back oduya for mcneil and a 4th

For me, it's very low 1st vs mid 1st or 2018 first, a prospect that i don't see as a prospect and a marginal prospect. I saw the value as higher than that.
- Jason Millen

Would be nice but any team that ends up picking mid round will be playoff bubble teams who would not be interested in a rental. Any one of the teams interested, Pitt, NY, or Wash will pick somewhere near the bottom. If you're wanting to pick mid round the best way to do it now is to miss the playoffs.

back then the oshie trade. i would have rather traded oshie for picks and prospects than Brouwer which is what i said at the time. Copley wasn't necessary with binnington and husso imho. what i saw of him seemed to confirm that. This trade definitely confirms this.
- Jason Millen

Oh. I guess it would be better right now to have the prospects but Brouwer definitely did help last year and you can't discount the value of the extra playoff revenue to the Blues. I always saw Copley as more of a throw in in that deal.

The Blues are starting to look like a team that's not going to make the playoffs.

As far as the Shattenkirk deal, this was the inevitable outcome once a decision was made to bring him back to start the season. Once he put on a uni in training camp his value was compromised.

DA tried to get a big return for him and allowed time to run out.

To be fair, it appears he had a significant deal worked out more than once, if we believe what we read, but Shattenkirk wouldn't sign an extension. I don't blame him, this is his chance to cash in.

This is a better outcome than Larry Pleau continuing to let guys walk with no return during his awful tenure.

How would you guys feel if DA somehow acquired Teravainen from the Canes?

How would you guys feel if DA somehow acquired Teravainen from the Canes?
- sycsam

Or Parenteau?

Talks of Fleury being traded and Blues keeping an eye on that. Is there ANY reason for us to even entertain the idea? Allen seems to be doing fine. Can't expect to win in this league when you only score 1 goal a game.

We need offense. Where have we heard that before?

Talks of Fleury being traded and Blues keeping an eye on that. Is there ANY reason for us to even entertain the idea? Allen seems to be doing fine. Can't expect to win in this league when you only score 1 goal a game.

We need offense. Where have we heard that before?
- BluesDroogie

Nope MAF too expensive combined with Allen and no reason PIT would want Allen back in the deal.