Fleury is better then either Dallas goaltender...I understand that Fleury's stats as a back up this year are not great, but if you look at his 2014-15 and 2015-16 stats (His last two seasons as a full time starter) they are better then Lehtonen or Niemi. (who both suck for even worse contracts then Fleury.) (and no I don't think Nill should be fired for making that deal...)

The Calgary situation is a little more dicey... They have a few very nice young goaltenders in their system...The plus for them would be MAF at 2 years for a reasonable cost. I think it comes down to how they view Elliot (who will want more then two years)...

Fleury is better then either Dallas goaltender...I understand that Fleury's stats as a back up this year are not great, but if you look at his 2014-15 and 2015-16 stats (His last two seasons as a full time starter) they are better then Lehtonen or Niemi. (who both suck for even worse contracts then Fleury.) (and no I don't think Nill should be fired for making that deal...)

The Calgary situation is a little more dicey... They have a few very nice young goaltenders in their system...The plus for them would be MAF at 2 years for a reasonable cost. I think it comes down to how they view Elliot (who will want more then two years)...
- Brianandr1

Fleurys stats from last year aren't that great actually. Isn't that how Murray managed to take the #1 spot? Think the hope was that MAF would bounce back but now having 2 pretty mediocre years in a row, it looks like the many years of playing lots of games are catching up with him.

I think at this point I would want CGY to get something more in return from the proposed deal. CGY is doing PIT a huge favour by taking away their exp draft concern.

I also agree with whoever said that Fleury would be wise to force them to buy him out. If they don't then Rutherford is forced to trade Murray as he would certainly be picked up by Vegas. So either MAF would get his net back or, if bought out, would get an extra pay cheque for a couple of years and get the choice of destinations, assuming a few teams would be after his services.

MAF to Winter-peg might help Maurice keep his job.

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Paul Maurice is a decent coach. But if they miss the playoffs he's walking the plank.

Fleurys stats from last year aren't that great actually. Isn't that how Murray managed to take the #1 spot? Think the hope was that MAF would bounce back but now having 2 pretty mediocre years in a row, it looks like the many years of playing lots of games are catching up with him.

I think at this point I would want CGY to get something more in return from the proposed deal. CGY is doing PIT a huge favour by taking away their exp draft concern.

I also agree with whoever said that Fleury would be wise to force them to buy him out. If they don't then Rutherford is forced to trade Murray as he would certainly be picked up by Vegas. So either MAF would get his net back or, if bought out, would get an extra pay cheque for a couple of years and get the choice of destinations, assuming a few teams would be after his services.
- TandA4Flames

Not true at all, do some more research. MAF kept the team afloat in the Johnson months prior to Sullivan getting hired in Pitt, Then he got concussed and missed a month or so. Murray stepped in and was capable of holding down the fort. Sullivan typically goes with the hotter goalie, and thats how we got to where we are. MAF is on the downslide of his career, but his concussion is what started the Murray in net thing.

MAF to Winter-peg might help Maurice keep his job.

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Paul Maurice is a decent coach. But if they miss the playoffs he's walking the plank.
- 50 Mission Cap

MAF is not going to ok that move I would think.

Fleury to Calgary for Wideman and one of our goalies?? Seriously, thats a joke! Why would we give two expiring contracts for an over 30, trending down goalie that has 2 more years on his contract!! Elliott is picking up steam and with Johnson, they're more than capable to handle the rest of this season. There's way better, younger and cheaper options out there! Wideman will still fetch a 3 or 4rd pick and if not, big deal, he can watch from the press box till the end of this season. Throw in Sheary and maybe that'll give us something to actually ponder!

MAF is not going to ok that move I would think.
- Reverend Killtaker

I don't think so either, I guess it depends how much he wants to get back to starting.

I just know him from the Canadian program and watching some pens games. Not sure how he'd like the Peg. Some guys love it.

Fleury to Calgary for Wideman and one of our goalies?? Seriously, thats a joke! Why would we give two expiring contracts for an over 30, trending down goalie that has 2 more years on his contract!! Elliott is picking up steam and with Johnson, they're more than capable to handle the rest of this season. There's way better, younger and cheaper options out there! Wideman will still fetch a 3 or 4rd pick and if not, big deal, he can watch from the press box till the end of this season. Throw in Sheary and maybe that'll give us something to actually ponder!
- trevy

Fleury to Calgary for Wideman and one of our goalies?? Seriously, thats a joke! Why would we give two expiring contracts for an over 30, trending down goalie that has 2 more years on his contract!! Elliott is picking up steam and with Johnson, they're more than capable to handle the rest of this season. There's way better, younger and cheaper options out there! Wideman will still fetch a 3 or 4rd pick and if not, big deal, he can watch from the press box till the end of this season. Throw in Sheary and maybe that'll give us something to actually ponder!
- trevy

Pens will happily eat the buyout if needed instead of getting your garbage. Having 2 goalies is pretty important.

Fleury to Calgary for Wideman and one of our goalies?? Seriously, thats a joke! Why would we give two expiring contracts for an over 30, trending down goalie that has 2 more years on his contract!! Elliott is picking up steam and with Johnson, they're more than capable to handle the rest of this season. There's way better, younger and cheaper options out there! Wideman will still fetch a 3 or 4rd pick and if not, big deal, he can watch from the press box till the end of this season. Throw in Sheary and maybe that'll give us something to actually ponder!
- trevy

You can have fehr. The problem for the flames is that Elliott leaves and you're going to trust chad johnson as your starter next year? Maybe they can sign bishop, but who else is available besides fleury? You guys can sign miller.

Fleury to Calgary for Wideman and one of our goalies?? Seriously, thats a joke! Why would we give two expiring contracts for an over 30, trending down goalie that has 2 more years on his contract!! Elliott is picking up steam and with Johnson, they're more than capable to handle the rest of this season. There's way better, younger and cheaper options out there! Wideman will still fetch a 3 or 4rd pick and if not, big deal, he can watch from the press box till the end of this season. Throw in Sheary and maybe that'll give us something to actually ponder!
- trevy

I've always supported Calgary out west. Elliot has played better. IMO Wideman is a marked man since he hit that official (Don Henderson). I'd love to see him elsewhere.

MAF still an upgrade over Elliot.

Not true at all, do some more research. MAF kept the team afloat in the Johnson months prior to Sullivan getting hired in Pitt, Then he got concussed and missed a month or so. Murray stepped in and was capable of holding down the fort. Sullivan typically goes with the hotter goalie, and thats how we got to where we are. MAF is on the downslide of his career, but his concussion is what started the Murray in net thing.
- Reverend Killtaker

Either way, and by your own admission, MAF is sliding. So why give up any decent assets to get a guy that may be worse than what we currently have?

If we got him we'd have to send a G back the other way and you guys getting a depth D in Wideman makes some sense. But then CGY should get another asset. A 3rd rounder perhaps.

DAL makes more sense I think.

Fleurys stats from last year aren't that great actually. Isn't that how Murray managed to take the #1 spot?.
- TandA4Flames

Fleury got injured in april of last year (concussion) and struggled to get his job back. He was in the top third of the league in most categories last year (20+ games played) and is the only reason they managed to stay afloat early in the season. You can tell he is distracted by his situation in Pittsburgh. He is better when he plays a lot of games and a fresh start in a worry-free environment with do him some good.

Either way, and by your own admission, MAF is sliding. So why give up any decent assets to get a guy that may be worse than what we currently have?

If we got him we'd have to send a G back the other way and you guys getting a depth D in Wideman makes some sense. But then CGY should get another asset. A 3rd rounder perhaps.

DAL makes more sense I think.
- TandA4Flames

UFA's are assets now? Come on.

UFA's are assets now? Come on.
- Reverend Killtaker

Uh yea. You heard of this thing called the trade deadline? It's where lots of pending UFA's get traded for future assets. Look it up.

Uh yea. You heard of this thing called the trade deadline? It's where lots of pending UFA's get traded for future assets. Look it up.
- TandA4Flames

thats not what you said and you know it. You were talking about how you didnt like giving assets for MAF...now your back peddling you troll you.

Arrogant Bastard on tap, with Jameson Blac Barrel, Jameson Gold Reserve, Jameson Caskmate, Hudson Baby Bourbon, and Hudson Maple Cask Rye all at the ready depending on how things go.
- Reverend Killtaker

So good. There is a lot of quality that Stone produces thats for sure.

So good. There is a lot of quality that Stone produces thats for sure.
- yobwoc03

Stone just finished an east coast brewery down in Richmond not too long ago. The next time I'm working in my DC office, I'm planning a trip down there.

Niemi @ 50% would be a $2.25M cap hit.

Unless the plan is to have Jarry become the new back-up, why in the world would you buy him out? You're still going to have to go spend a cool million if you want to get a quality back-up; combine that with the buyout hit and you're probably spending similar money.

If DAL is willing to retain 50% on Niemi... keep Niemi after he's not selected by Vegas.

MAF will go where he can be a starter. If he goes where he potentially is a backup this could be his very last NHL contract. He could probably get an extension in Winnipeg, but not many other places that need a G. If he goes to CGY and a young G is ready to start in 2 yrs, MAF will be 33 with no job.

Too many outdoor games. The NHL killed it, nothing special about them anymore.

Pens will happily eat the buyout if needed instead of getting your garbage. Having 2 goalies is pretty important.
- nelson911

Really, you think Pens Ownership would want to write a cheque for about 7.7 mill & carry a cap hit of about $1.9 mill per for the next 4 years to pay a goalie so they can play against you for another team? Buyout should have to be the absolute last resort right next to deciding to basically move Murray for a humongous return. IfJR doesn't move Fleury somewhere where he can play & keeps him on the bench the remainder of the season, Fleury could basically force this buyout & block any summer mover to Vegas.
Teams don't try to help each other in this league, they like to throw anchors. I think Flames have every reason to ask for additional compensation if they were to take Fleury on. Just saying.

thats not what you said and you know it. You were talking about how you didnt like giving assets for MAF...now your back peddling you troll you.
- Reverend Killtaker

Perhaps I misunderstood you. It still, who takes the risk here? If we swap you Elliott for MAF The possibility exists that MAF could continue on the downward slide and be terrible for the remaining 2 years on that contract until one of our kids is ready to take the net. And if we can get a separate asset for Wideman, maybe that'd be better for us. Who knows. I wouldn't be too upset if that's how it went down.

MAF to Winter-peg might help Maurice keep his job.

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Paul Maurice is a decent coach. But if they miss the playoffs he's walking the plank.
- 50 Mission Cap

Winnipeg isn't touching a goalie. Hellebuyck is being protected from Vegas, so even if they weren't 100% confident in Helle, they aren't going to trade for a goalie so Vegas can take him right away. Paul Maurice needs to go.

Side note: anybody want Myers? Throw us a half decent lefty on the back end and he's yours. But you also have to take Stuart.

Really, you think Pens Ownership would want to write a cheque for about 7.7 mill & carry a cap hit of about $1.9 mill per for the next 4 years to pay a goalie so they can play against you for another team? Buyout should have to be the absolute last resort right next to deciding to basically move Murray for a humongous return. IfJR doesn't move Fleury somewhere where he can play & keeps him on the bench the remainder of the season, Fleury could basically force this buyout & block any summer mover to Vegas.
Teams don't try to help each other in this league, they like to throw anchors. I think Flames have every reason to ask for additional compensation if they were to take Fleury on. Just saying.
- Kevin R

No one wants to shell out money, however If they cant get a replacment for Fleury before the deadline, they will not trade him. Lemieux doesn't care about a small cap hit, every round of the playoffs is worth 3 and up to 10 million in revenue to them. IMO They will not jeopardize this playoff run even if it is 7 mil and a cap penalty of 2 over the next 4. Its a small price to pay knowing if you have some goalie depth, if Fleury is traded and Murray goes down the playoffs are over for them. I do think something will work with Fleury and one of Calgary's goalies... I just dont see Pitt throwing anything in.

Respectfully, NO to either the Calgary or Dallas trade proposal outlined by Colligan. Rather than make either of those 2 deals, I rather hold on to MAF for the playoffs and then trade him in the off season. Also not big fan of acquiring Shattenkirk as a rental. Not sure he serves a purpose if the Pens have Letang and Schultz healthy for the playoffs. but after last season I guess I roll with whatever GMJR decides to do.