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- kevndevries

Not on the market, as stated in the past two blogs.

But TB is the team to watch....
The Russian lose 3-2 last night and they have 48 possible points they can acquire with wins and five teams ahead of them presently.
Is this the time to think Cup run or when you have a healthyStamkos & company?

So far Vasilewskiy has not taken firm hold of the net and Bishop's departure was their Cap relief.

Both Brayden Coburn & Jason Garrison may need replacing and although Shattenkirk is a great fit (for one of wings or centers), you pony up over the six million her refused to stay with the Blues and consciously decide a hefty deal with him is worth discarding Tyler Johnson, Val Fuppila or even the aforementioned Palat?


Almost every team has annual re-tools now but if you just came so close two seasons back and your players game the team hometown discounts, doesn't a big re-tool place you in a more risky situation?

Shattenkirk will be a rental it certainly looks like unless a shopper thinks he is just what the doctor ordered despite the inflated CAP hit.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2016/2/29/11033246/nhl-trades-list-rumors-deadline-2016

So, this is breakdown of every trade last year. 2 things jump out at me. The cost goes down not up starting about 2-3 days out. We are in a good spot so Hold out and don't overpay. Also we basically paid the 2 biggest packages of anyone last year. a 1st and Dano and a 2nd and Danult. And coming off 2015 when we gave 2 of the top 4-5 packages in 1st and dahlback and 2 2nds for Timo.

So if you remove the hawks as overpaying for a rental. then who are the all in buyers knowing every team is going to lose a good prospect at the EXP draft. I think teams will want to hold onto there 1st even in a down draft.

After that I look at who is going to pay for rentals.
CAPS are loaded who out there would be a upgrade, IE a 2nd or 3rd line player on most teams are a 3rd or 4th on the caps.
PITT they already traded a 2nd so I'm guessing the next deal would have to be on there terms of not at all.
RAGS have been the 2nd most aggressive team (hawks) and it has not got them anywhere. I'm guessing on there terms or not at all.
COL, is so young and seems to be going in the right direction but do they really think they can get past both Pitt and the caps? the 1st wild card spot is really a good spot to be in the EAST.
everybody in the ATL is pretty Medicore and none of them are even for sure in the playoffs so how much do you give up?

WEST
HAWKS, WILD and SJ are the only buyers I see?

the way I look at it is you get the right deal do it. Hold out and let the market come to you. and not Vice versa. IMO.

Schmaltz is Faster then I thought. on his really good backhand he looked really fast with the puck. Hartman is pretty solid on his 1 timers and gets shots on goal!. Kero looks to be a solid 4th line center, Roz is slower Crawford with goalie gear on. Hino looks like the Odd man out if we add a Forward IMO. move Desi to a young team who wants some EXP in there 4th line (for very little)
- kmw4631

Schmaltz - He was the kid the Hawks targeted as they traded up to draft him to prevent the Blues snagging him to pair up with his brother. He's still learning but is looking pretty solid lately after his recent call up. What's up with his brother anyways in the Blues organIzation?

Could be. I think the only disagreement there is on his timetable. Some say he's fully arrived. Some think he might need a bit more development (and may not be ready for a big role in the playoffs).
- John Jaeckel

He certainly doesn't look shy with contact or unable to get business done along the boards.

Hey who could have predicted each and every one of the Penquin call-ups would show no fear and just play the game?

I've always been of the opinion that you should do your best to stick with the guys that got you there and if you're going to make trades, do them as early as possible.

I don't know that it sends a great message to your rookies that you'll use them in the regular season but then acquire a guy to replace them for the playoffs just because that person is a vet.
- BINGO!

Upsetting chemistry is always a concern. Upsetting rookies less so but your point on making late trades is valid, moreso with the Hawks under Q.

It was pointed out in an article somewhere that under Q and his systems it takes even vets like Vermette longer to acclimate in the Hawks' systems than others, and many simply don't. That's why I think Sharp is more ideal than any sexy name being bandied about. He would just step in and produce. Can't be sure about any other player who hasn't played under Q.

Upsetting chemistry is always a concern. Upsetting rookies less so but your point on making late trades is valid, moreso with the Hawks under Q.

It was pointed out in an article somewhere that under Q and his systems it takes even vets like Vermette longer to acclimate in the Hawks' systems than others, and many simply don't. That's why I think Sharp is more ideal than any sexy name being bandied about. He would just step in and produce. Can't be sure about any other player who hasn't played under Q.
- Mr Ricochet

Bet he would love to play with Toews again.

Not on the market, as stated in the past two blogs.

But TB is the team to watch....
The Russian lose 3-2 last night and they have 48 possible points they can acquire with wins and five teams ahead of them presently.
Is this the time to think Cup run or when you have a healthyStamkos & company?

So far Vasilewskiy has not taken firm hold of the net and Bishop's departure was their Cap relief.

Both Brayden Coburn & Jason Garrison may need replacing and although Shattenkirk is a great fit (for one of wings or centers), you pony up over the six million her refused to stay with the Blues and consciously decide a hefty deal with him is worth discarding Tyler Johnson, Val Fuppila or even the aforementioned Palat?


Almost every team has annual re-tools now but if you just came so close two seasons back and your players game the team hometown discounts, doesn't a big re-tool place you in a more risky situation?

Shattenkirk will be a rental it certainly looks like unless a shopper thinks he is just what the doctor ordered despite the inflated CAP hit.
- wiz1901

I am taking this with a grain of salt... EK just wrote that he turned down Tampa. Said he wants to play in NY.

Schmaltz - He was the kid the Hawks targeted as they traded up to draft him to prevent the Blues snagging him to pair up with his brother. He's still learning but is looking pretty solid lately after his recent call up. What's up with his brother anyways in the Blues organIzation?
- stan-ley-cups

Just read something on Jordan Schmaltz recently. He's a defenseman in the Blues organization and has had a hard time cracking their blueline lineup.

The article suggested it was more to do with the Blues having pretty decent depth currently on the blueline vs him being a bust.

Your opinion, and you may be right, I have not heard his name this year. Hawks had a major hard-on for him last deadline however.
- John Jaeckel

Liking Boedker as a short term rental versus liking his as a long term acquisition are two different things. At $4 million (or even $3 million) Boedker isn't worth it because that would precipitate other moves to open up the required cap space for next season.

Boedker's 19 points are less than Harmtan's on only 3 more than Schmaltz even with 17 more games played.

Schmaltz - He was the kid the Hawks targeted as they traded up to draft him to prevent the Blues snagging him to pair up with his brother. He's still learning but is looking pretty solid lately after his recent call up. What's up with his brother anyways in the Blues organIzation?
- stan-ley-cups

When they had injuries and early on, he saw NHL time.

The position takes lots of time.

I don't know if you recall or were aware how the Hawks played Seabrook in protected situations b/c teams don't want negative on ice experience in pressure situations to imprint on their young defenders.
That is exactly why Pittsburgh overpaid a second rounder to Carolina for instead of elevating minor pros and throwing them on the coals...even 22 yr olds defenders are not discarded as wash ups, they want them to improve, their budding Pouliot, Stewart Percy, Lukas Bentgsson would start shouldering the blame and simply why you don't rush Schmaltz's brother, as it is more difficult to play there.

Hawks get by Coyotes in a mess of a game. Smith was awful.

Coaches nightmare on both sides.

2 points in the bank and the home losing streak is over.

Best aspect of the game for me...PK. Baby steps.
- ArlingtonRob

How could he be awful? Tanner says he is a legit Vezina candidate

I am taking this with a grain of salt... EK just wrote that he turned down Tampa. Said he wants to play in NY.
- 93Joe

I am not sure what is salty...I took bought sides of the argument from Stevie Y' side.

Shattenkirk doesn't want Blues turn them down and so far has tried to dictate trades by saying he can't get the $$$ he wants from the various suitors like Edmonton.

Joe I wasn't trying to ram an opinion at you as much as give all a better picture of the landscape.

Could be. I think the only disagreement there is on his timetable. Some say he's fully arrived. Some think he might need a bit more development (and may not be ready for a big role in the playoffs).
- John Jaeckel

I'd say that's a bit optimistic. He's coming along, but I don't think he's fully arrived.

I am not sure what is salty...I took bought sides of the argument from Stevie Y' side.

Shattenkirk doesn't want Blues turn them down and so far has tried to dictate trades by saying he can't get the $$$ he wants from the various suitors like Edmonton.

Joe I wasn't trying to ram an opinion at you as much as give all a better picture of the landscape.
- wiz1901

And Bill, in all honesty, I wasn't antagonizing you. I was just stating something I read on the hockeybuzz home page. No bullpoop man, I wasn't attacking you at all. I was hoping you'd offer more insight or opinion on the matter.

He would be a decent fit in Columbus.

EDIT: the grain of salt comment was towards what Ek said

IMO, He has always been. Maybe for a stretch he wasn't before his time away but his problem was in his head. He was thinking way too much instead of just playing.

Toews was a classic example of the cliche fighting the game.
- TTtime

Just quoting this because it IS very plausible.

And Bill, in all honesty, I wasn't antagonizing you. I was just stating something I read on the hockeybuzz home page. No bullpoop man, I wasn't attacking you at all. I was hoping you'd offer more insight or opinion on the matter.

He would be a decent fit in Columbus.
- 93Joe

No worries I just wasn't sure what you were skeptical of...

Oh about PALAT NOT ON THE MARKET WHEN ecklund says he is?

Consider the source and whyrumorsiresmust have rumors to bring most back...they don't have the learned array of hawk posters or Jj on many of the other sites, just bozos like the Arizona blogger and his OEL koolaid...which brings me to another point....was that nbcs net feed of the game last night with THEIR announcers or the Arizona broadcast team

It smelled fishy, but after Jeff Chychrun announcement of hi "tremendous hit and snuff out of a hawk on the backboards, no mention at all, when Arizona was about to go in transition, and from the slot Chychrun dashed forward as the Hawks forechecking the puck away, and he fell on his back.
I know the kid is big and not a speedster and needs to power up to play in his expanded role, but come on, mention the good with the bad.
They simply went silent as we watched him Zamboied the ice.

Re: Western Conference Playoff Picture

Are the LA Kings out this year after losing again at home to Boston last nite?

Will the Coyotes put the final nail into Dallas' coffin tonite? Other than their goaltending the Yotes did not look too bad last nite against a hot Hawks team.

Liking Boedker as a short term rental versus liking his as a long term acquisition are two different things. At $4 million (or even $3 million) Boedker isn't worth it because that would precipitate other moves to open up the required cap space for next season.

Boedker's 19 points are less than Harmtan's on only 3 more than Schmaltz even with 17 more games played.
- DarthKane

Boedker hasn't been in a playoff game since 2011-12 season. The same is true of Martin Hanzal. So both are veterans who have become used to losing and lack the playoff experience valued by many on this board. Hawks should pass on both of them.

No worries I just wasn't sure what you were skeptical of...
- wiz1901

I just put it as an edit on my previous comment. The grain of salt is.with what Ek said.

Boedker hasn't been in a playoff game since 2011-12 season. The same is true of Martin Hanzal. So both are veterans who have become used to losing and lack the playoff experience valued by many on this board. Hawks should pass on both of them.
- BMWChiFan

Fair point and I can't say I disagree. The Hawks already will have a few guys on the roster without playoff experience, adding more would be a risk.

I'd say that's a bit optimistic. He's coming along, but I don't think he's fully arrived.
- JRoenick97

Agree. I can't wait to see what this kid, who turned 21 yesterday, becomes in a year or two.

On the St. Louis Blues and Kevin Shattenkirk …

Jeremy Rutherford of the St. Louis Post Dispatch: Have learned that the St. Louis Blues had a trade in place to move defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk if he would agree to a contract extension.

Shattenkirk obviously wasn’t able to come to terms with the team and the deal fell through about six weeks ago. Bob McKenzie first reported that Shattenkirk turned down a seven-year, $42 million deal – a $6 million salary cap hit. League sources confirmed he turned down the offer.

Sounds like he wants to test the market/pick where he wants to go!

Thinking of trade targets, I wonder if stan has kicked the tires on Boedker. 27, speed to burn, 3 years at $4 mil. If he could get wilson to eat even 25% of salary, that is cost effective. Having his worst year in SJ. Change of scenery may be good for him. Early morning thought
- ikeane

Mornings are for...

And there's your answer to why Rozy is playing. Sounds like they knew Hammer had a back issue going in.

Oh by the way, that is not good news.
- John Jaeckel

Hopefully its not serious but if it is, it must be bad as Hammer is as close to a warrior than just about anyone in todays NHL. The IR rules are 10 games AND 24 days, perhaps if needed, this will allow the back to come back to normal (no pun intended).

The scary thing for me is that someone with back issues; ala Tazer for example, can take quite awhile to heal. If reports of #19 WC injury were correct, look how long its taken him to get back to normal. Agree with JJ, this is scary for Hawks prospects in the dance if Hammer is going to be less than 90-100%.

Hopefully its not serious but if it is, it must be bad as Hammer is as close to a warrior than just about anyone in todays NHL. The IR rules are 10 games AND 24 days, perhaps if needed, this will allow the back to come back to normal (no pun intended).

The scary thing for me is that someone with back issues; ala Tazer for example, can take quite awhile to heal. If reports of #19 WC injury were correct, look how long its taken him to get back to normal. Agree with JJ, this is scary for Hawks prospects in the dance if Hammer is going to be less than 90-100%.
- ILGolfer

The thing I don't understand is if he was questionable, why even bother to put him out there. Especially in a game like that, really doesn't make sense. If they're contemplating putting him on LTIR, we'll know soon.

Please read, consider and read agin if necessary.

There's a difference between disagreement and attempted censorship.

If you disagree with his point of view, give him a factually supported counertargument. Don't tell him what he can and can't say. Don't assail his character.

I see a lot of factual support in what he says (agreed with or not). I hear you assailing his "negativity."

You complain about bans like you're a victim. Figure it out.

ANY point of view on the game or the team is welcome. Supporting it with facts will help your cause. Assailing the poster or their tone is not. Gets old.
- John Jaeckel

I

Did

Present

Facts

Such as, "Hawks have been around 7th-8th in GA all season long, and even better at 5v5."

Used plenty of logic too. Other posters also presented other facts as to why this recent increase in GA shouldn't be worrisome.

I think you guys must have skipped through all the facts and only focused on the part where I called him consistently negative(which he is). Oh well, wouldn't be the first time.