Faceoffs definitely aren't important. That's why coaches never put out their best faceoff guys for key defensive draws in key moments of games. They just don't matter.
I put it in quotes because the ones who say they are progressive are actually in favor of extremely regressive policies. Just like Hillary Clinton was "pro-women" even though she gets her campaign funding from from countries that abuse women. Just like all the little fascists that run around screaming "No fascist USA". Like all the socialists calling calling our president a nazi when the nazis were a socialist party (National Socialist German Workers' Party).
I've read many of your blogs, not enough to have picked up on your political leanings before. But the way you determine your narrative and then cherry pick some meaningless stats to back it up, rather than analyzing games visually, made me think you were probably a liberal and I must be right if you're arguing that the label of "progressive" is genuine. - gtrman09
That's only your opinion, which based on this post, isn't worth much. I mean, the Hillary Clinton stuff is tinfoil territory and the rampant false equivalency of Hitler as a socialist worth comparing to someone who wants a better welfare state is so ridiculous as to ruin and/or cast doubt on anything you have to say.
Yeah, Luke Shenn was not the most used D (5v5). White was also not the most used forward. But who needs facts in Trump world? But they each played very well and got more playing time. Also both got an assist and helped win the game. That's what a good coach does, Guys that play well get ice time. Not just the superstars. - Gomey
How arrogant James to label pro athletes as not educated, and not critical thinkers. Have you ever heard of this human trait called emotion? It's about competitive spirit. - MJL
It's actually not ignorant. Ignorant means that you don't know. I know. Logically, there is an opportunity cost to dedicating your life to being good enough to be an NHL player.
Statistically, some NHL players are probably geniuses, and many are very smart. Almost none of them are highly educated.
That isn't an insult. That is just the facts. Since they are - as a group - not well educated, and since one of the main pillars of hockey dogma is that tough guys play through injury, they are in fact the last people we should ask about concussions.
Did I say it in a flippant, possibly rude way? Probably I did. But I'm jokey, so I don't care. I certainly do not apologize for it.
Faceoffs definitely aren't important. That's why coaches never put out their best faceoff guys for key defensive draws in key moments of games. They just don't matter. - MJL
This is the kind of snarky reply that would be amusing and cause debate in 2012. Now it's just lame-ass trolling. If you have the time post on hockey boards, you can take ten minutes and read the irrefutable evidence available that shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
Here's a thing I do that might help you out: when I disagree with people smarter than me, I work to find out why. Then I change my mind. It's easy.
(Oh and I don't mean I'm smarter than you, that's not for me to say. I mean the people who discovered that faceoffs don't matter).
Secondly, you can't just say "coaches do it and they'd know" this a blind appeal to authority and is a logical fallacy.
It's actually not ignorant. Ignorant means that you don't know. I know. Logically, there is an opportunity cost to dedicating your life to being good enough to be an NHL player.
Statistically, some NHL players are probably geniuses, and many are very smart. Almost none of them are highly educated.
That isn't an insult. That is just the facts. Since they are - as a group - not well educated, and since one of the main pillars of hockey dogma is that tough guys play through injury, they are in fact the last people we should ask about concussions.
Did I say it in a flippant, possibly rude way? Probably I did. But I'm jokey, so I don't care. I certainly do not apologize for it. - James_Tanner
Would ignorant apply to not knowing the difference between the words ignorant and arrogant? Do you have any facts to support that NHL players are not educated? I'll wait on that. You badly misread the reason for Smith's reaction. You didn't apply any critical thinking there.
This is the kind of snarky reply that would be amusing and cause debate in 2012. Now it's just lame-ass trolling. If you have the time post on hockey boards, you can take ten minutes and read the irrefutable evidence available that shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
Here's a thing I do that might help you out: when I disagree with people smarter than me, I work to find out why. Then I change my mind. It's easy.
(Oh and I don't mean I'm smarter than you, that's not for me to say. I mean the people who discovered that faceoffs don't matter).
Secondly, you can't just say "coaches do it and they'd know" this a blind appeal to authority and is a logical fallacy. - James_Tanner
You cannot provide any irrefutable evidence that supports your opinion and that I don't know what I'm talking about. It's not a blind appeal to authority or a logical fallacy. It's simply a fact that NHL coaches put out their best faceoff players for key defensive zone draws in key moments of games. A critical thinker would know that is direct evidence that faceoffs do matter. More evidence is that big goals are scored that lose and win games off of gaining or losing possession in a defensive zone draw. All it simply takes is watching the game.
Would ignorant apply to not knowing the difference between the words ignorant and arrogant? Do you have any facts to support that NHL players are not educated? I'll wait on that. You badly misread the reason for Smith's reaction. You didn't apply any critical thinking there. - MJL
Do I have evidence that NHL players are not educated? Yes I do. I know for a fact that if you're even close to good enough to play in the NHL you billet with a family while you play junior hockey and that school is a joke for these guys. The high school education a junior hockey player gets is not even close to the same thing as a normal person.
Secondly, when you get drafted at 18 and skip the rest of your junior career to go play at a university, it's huge news because it almost never happens. Do we know anything about the scholastic performance of college athletes? We know it's a hilarious double standard of a joke.
It is common sense man. If you have dedicated the time to physically train for the NHL, practice and play games you did not get a very good education.
Are there exceptions? Of course. But the vast, vast vast majority of professional athletes do not have good educations. In almost all cases they only have high school and in almost all cases I would bet those are some dubiously constructed highschool transcripts.
Pointing this out doesn't make me arrogant. It's a simple fact. I'm not saying this as an insult or anything - it's just truth.
You cannot provide any irrefutable evidence that supports your opinion and that I don't know what I'm talking about. It's not a blind appeal to authority or a logical fallacy. It's simply a fact that NHL coaches put out their best faceoff players for key defensive zone draws in key moments of games. A critical thinker would know that is direct evidence that faceoffs do matter. More evidence is that big goals are scored that lose and win games off of gaining or losing possession in a defensive zone draw. All it simply takes is watching the game. - MJL
Do I have evidence that NHL players are not educated? Yes I do. I know for a fact that if you're even close to good enough to play in the NHL you billet with a family while you play junior hockey and that school is a joke for these guys. The high school education a junior hockey player gets is not even close to the same thing as a normal person.
Secondly, when you get drafted at 18 and skip the rest of your junior career to go play at a university, it's huge news because it almost never happens. Do we know anything about the scholastic performance of college athletes? We know it's a hilarious double standard of a joke.
It is common sense man. If you have dedicated the time to physically train for the NHL, practice and play games you did not get a very good education.
Are there exceptions? Of course. But the vast, vast vast majority of professional athletes do not have good educations. In almost all cases they only have high school and in almost all cases I would bet those are some dubiously constructed highschool transcripts.
Pointing this out doesn't make me arrogant. It's a simple fact. I'm not saying this as an insult or anything - it's just truth. - James_Tanner
Ill will respond to you exactly how you would respond to someone who responded as you did. You didnt offer actual proof. Everything you offered is anecdotal. Have you ever heard of hockey players furthering their education in the off season?
If you want to challenge me on the stats because you found different numbers, you don't have to act like you're five. - James_Tanner
This didn't open! The box score says your're wrong! And if anyone acts like a five year old most would agree its you. You are wrong a lot! Most times I don't bring it up. But I will now! Every wrong stat you throw out, about the team you are paid to blog for. I will point it out. This whole thing is about the Coyotes winning a game, And you bashing them because of shots on goal and corsi. Try watching the games instead o being a cori nut!
Ill will respond to you exactly how you would respond to someone who responded as you did. You didnt offer actual proof. Everything you offered is anecdotal. Have you ever heard of hockey players furthering their education in the off season? - MJL
The use of logic is not anecdotal. PM me your address, I own like five dictionaries, I'll mail you one.
The use of logic is not anecdotal. PM me your address, I own like five dictionaries, I'll mail you one. - James_Tanner
You miss the point James. You often claim responses to your posts and your "facts" that you cant refute are either logical fallacies, anecdotal or some other nonsense even when it isn't. I would disagree that you use logic to come to your opinions. Quite frequently your opinions lack basic logic. Now I'm still waiting for that irrefutable evidence that face-offs don't matter.
There have been actual university studies about the effects and importance of faceoffs. They have all concluded that the larger the sample size, the greater the impact on winning, but only those faceoffs that take place in offensive/defensive zones. In a single game, they don't matter as much, but over time, they directly leaf to goal differentia, which equates to wins. One study even showed that Jonathan Toews actually earned nearly 4 wins for his team in a season, simply by winning timely faceoffs.
There have been actual university studies about the effects and importance of faceoffs. They have all concluded that the larger the sample size, the greater the impact on winning, but only those faceoffs that take place in offensive/defensive zones. In a single game, they don't matter as much, but over time, they directly leaf to goal differentia, which equates to wins. One study even showed that Jonathan Toews actually earned nearly 4 wins for his team in a season, simply by winning timely faceoffs. - sniper11
That is ridiculous. You need a positive faceoff differential of 50 to even equal a goal.
You miss the point James. You often claim responses to your posts and your "facts" that you cant refute are either logical fallacies, anecdotal or some other nonsense even when it isn't. I would disagree that you use logic to come to your opinions. Quite frequently your opinions lack basic logic. Now I'm still waiting for that irrefutable evidence that face-offs don't matter. - MJL
No, I don't miss the point at all. You're just not capable of following along. If I say you've committed a logical fallacy, it's because you have. You make terrible arguments all the time. I go pretty easy on you.
Quite frankly, I've never come across a person like you in real life. The internet must make you brave or something.
No, I don't miss the point at all. You're just not capable of following along. If I say you've committed a logical fallacy, it's because you have. You make terrible arguments all the time. I go pretty easy on you.
Quite frankly, I've never come across a person like you in real life. The internet must make you brave or something. - James_Tanner
Hes pretty decent at trolling. Give credit where it's due. You are also a quality troll and therfore should be able to smell your own.
No, I don't miss the point at all. You're just not capable of following along. If I say you've committed a logical fallacy, it's because you have. You make terrible arguments all the time. I go pretty easy on you.
Quite frankly, I've never come across a person like you in real life. The internet must make you brave or something. - James_Tanner
Oh no, I'm following along for sure. You just reinforced my opinion in making the statement of "If I say you've committed a logical fallacy, it's because you have". You don't go easy on me at all. You deflect away from the arguments I make on your opinions, and get into nonsense like the above simply because you can't refute the arguments that myself and other make to refute your statements. I'm done with this. Below is what I want to talk about.
Still waiting for the irrefutable proof that faceoffs still matter.
No, I don't miss the point at all. You're just not capable of following along. If I say you've committed a logical fallacy, it's because you have. You make terrible arguments all the time. I go pretty easy on you.
Quite frankly, I've never come across a person like you in real life. The internet must make you brave or something. - James_Tanner
I hear your mentor Richard Cloutier is making a triumphant return to HockeyBuzz
The coyotes deserve a quality blogger like yourself.
Tanner, who do you write your blogs for? You insult your readers on a daily basis so it's obviously not for them. So do you do this for your own enjoyment?
The coyotes deserve a quality blogger like yourself.
Tanner, who do you write your blogs for? You insult your readers on a daily basis so it's obviously not for them. So do you do this for your own enjoyment? - bloatedmosquito
