I don't think that gets it done. Not after the horrible year Ceci is having. It's well known that if you want either Duchene or Landeskog you will have to grossly overpay. Plus you clearly state Ceci is a depth D in your comment so I'm not sure how that becomes a piece to a major deal. Sakic's asking price for the Sens would probably look something like this:

To Sens:
Duchene

To Avs:
Chabot
White
Smith
1st round pick.

If it's for Landeskog, take away White.

If I'm Dorion there is NO WAY I do that deal. But someone might and if not, Avs a happy to keep both players. Media is hyping it up big time. Sakic is not shopping them, teams are calling and he's listening. It'll have to be a deal he can't refuse.
- Brzlnut

I think people will end up being underwhelmed by the return that Landeskog/Duchene end up bringing back, especially in today's day and age where where success often hinges on having players on entry level contracts contributing in order for teams to contend. Since this years draft is considered fairly weak, you may see Duchene go for a 1st, good roster player, and a good prospect (but not likely anyone's "top" prospect). Time will tell though!

Anyone else hoping the Pierre Dorion gets fired asap?

He's literally as useless as Brian Murray
- Maverick1818

I know right?

To give away a 5th Rd pick for Condon. Oh my goodness what a disaster

Bringing in Pyatt at the start of the season. We will never recover

Signing Smith to a great deal. Madness!!!

Give your head a shake. He's done a great job so far. The Sens are still 1-2 years away from having a chance at the cup. Stay the course and let your prospects develop. Maybe in two years u make a big deal but right now it would set the team back IMO

These threads have taken a major hit.

Anyone else hoping the Pierre Dorion gets fired asap?

He's literally as useless as Brian Murray
- Maverick1818

???.......granted this team can benefit from having a GM able to make a real deal and invest in star power........but c'mon.

Ryan comes in at $7.3M (not Dorion's deal)
He brings in Boucher who turned this defensive nightmare around (remb 12 months ago? Team f***** running around all over the place)
Then star goalie's wife has cancer (very tough) Condon is acquired for a 5th!
Now Hoffman, Stone all injured ... I think he has been steady and made small moves. I also like Wingels (scored in his 1st game) and Kelly was a good piece

Again, I'd give him a solid B or B+... not A level yet - that grade comes if this teams makes it atleast to round 2 and preferably the east finals.

Anyone else hoping the Pierre Dorion gets fired asap?

He's literally as useless as Brian Murray
- Maverick1818

since he's taken over he's made largely positive moves for this team.....

-coaches
-pyatt
-condon

he really hasn't made any other moves and seems to be saying all the right things in the media. "we won't give lazar away for nothing", " we're comfortable moving forward with the team we have".......

what do you want him to say "we'll take absolutely anything for lazar", "we're so desperate to acquire a forward, please other GMs take advantage of our desperation".

Trade Targets: Patrick Sharp, Radim Vrbata, Jarome Iginla, Jordan Eberle ($!), Martin Hanzal

Trade Targets: Patrick Sharp, Radim Vrbata, Jarome Iginla, Jordan Eberle ($!), Martin Hanzal
- AlfieisKing

hard pass on iginla and sharp

interested in vrbata or hanzal.....for the right price

would love eberle but not sure the $$ would work..........unless we can move ryan or vegas picks him up. this wouldn't be a deadline deal IMO. plus, oilers are not sellers

IMO,they just need a bit more gritty depth. Assuming Stone,Hoffman will return by Sunday.
In the East there is only 2 teams truly better then Ottawa ...Pits.Wash. I really think everyone else incl. CBJ are almost even. So in thinking that don't do any crazy trades get grit and ride this season out who knows it may surprise everyone. Assess in the summer and spend to the max in the summer of 2017 .Then watch the Senators run away with the east in 2017 2018. I believe that if the organization doesn't spend to the max in the summer of 017 , they truly are not serious about ever contending

IMO,they just need a bit more gritty depth. Assuming Stone,Hoffman will return by Sunday.
In the East there is only 2 teams truly better then Ottawa ...Pits.Wash. I really think everyone else incl. CBJ are almost even. So in thinking that don't do any crazy trades get grit and ride this season out who knows it may surprise everyone. Assess in the summer and spend to the max in the summer of 2017 .Then watch the Senators run away with the east in 2017 2018. I believe that if the organization doesn't spend to the max in the summer of 017 , they truly are not serious about ever contending
- spazzbot

definitely not, since you need to re-sign karlsson the following summer.......no matter what they do, they need like 10mil set aside to re-sign him.

definitely not, since you need to re-sign karlsson the following summer.......no matter what they do, they need like 10mil set aside to re-sign him.
- sensarmy_11

Yes your right they need to save money for EK , I am not sure what comes off the books in 018 019 or who Vegas picks up perhaps you know. But still spend to the max...max meaning with EK in mind. and you always need wiggle room in case of injuries..

Yes your right they need to save money for EK , I am not sure what comes off the books in 018 019 or who Vegas picks up perhaps you know. But still spend to the max...max meaning with EK in mind. and you always need wiggle room in case of injuries..
- spazzbot

I agree with that 100%

dreger was on TSN last night and claimed that he doesn't feel that money is an issue moving forward in Ottawa...........hopefully he's right.

I agree with that 100%

dreger was on TSN last night and claimed that he doesn't feel that money is an issue moving forward in Ottawa...........hopefully he's right.
- sensarmy_11

I think that could be very true. Then spending to the max is even more important as that means EK wants to win. I think the window is opening and by next year could be fully opened for 3-5 years if they spend the money. At some point you have to max what you can, and that point in my thinking is summer of 017.That is the point I believe we have all been waiting for. It will then be time for the organization to put up the $$

I think that could be very true. Then spending to the max is even more important as that means EK wants to win. I think the window is opening and by next year could be fully opened for 3-5 years if they spend the money. At some point you have to max what you can, and that point in my thinking is summer of 017.That is the point I believe we have all been waiting for. It will then be time for the organization to put up the $$
- spazzbot

I have a feeling that GMPD will be signing the same song : were happy with the players we have" and we tried to update our lineup but the price was to high... I hope I'm wrong !!

Hainsey to Pit for a pick & prospect

I think people will end up being underwhelmed by the return that Landeskog/Duchene end up bringing back, especially in today's day and age where where success often hinges on having players on entry level contracts contributing in order for teams to contend. Since this years draft is considered fairly weak, you may see Duchene go for a 1st, good roster player, and a good prospect (but not likely anyone's "top" prospect). Time will tell though!
- wilkobecks

These trade proposals and asks are ridiculous. Flat out ridiculous, and for once the Euge is 100% right in his comments on player evaluation. The ask Sakic is making is outright insane, to the point where Dorion had to reference it through pot shots in the media as well about other teams trying to fleece him.

In Duchesne, we are talking about a player who is essentially equivalent (slightly more valuable, arguably, but not by much) in value and production to Kyle Turris. We got him for a high end prospect and a 2nd when Arizona was desperate to move on. Paying anything more than that would be prudent, but not necessary, especially if he isn't moved by the deadline.

My final offer would be the following, if they don't like it fine, say we'll take our chances and make him an offer in free agency when he walks, up to you, Joe:

To COL: Ryan, Boro, 1st, Dahlen (who is by far the most underappreciated asset in this proposal by both sides) and Englund
To OTT: Duchesne, Tyutin

Anything more and they can gtfo of here.

These trade proposals and asks are ridiculous. Flat out ridiculous, and for once the Euge is 100% right in his comments on player evaluation. The ask Sakic is making is outright insane, to the point where Dorion had to reference it through pot shots in the media as well about other teams trying to fleece him.

In Duchesne, we are talking about a player who is essentially equivalent (slightly more valuable, arguably, but not by much) in value and production to Kyle Turris. We got him for a high end prospect and a 2nd when Arizona was desperate to move on. Paying anything more than that would be prudent, but not necessary, especially if he isn't moved by the deadline.

My final offer would be the following, if they don't like it fine, say we'll take our chances and make him an offer in free agency when he walks, up to you, Joe:

To COL: Ryan, Boro, 1st, Dahlen (who is by far the most underappreciated asset in this proposal by both sides) and Englund
To OTT: Duchesne, Tyutin

Anything more and they can gtfo of here.
- ahjnkn

^^^ I like what you're saying !

I agree that any deal for Duchene should include Brassard. Why bring in another centre?
- SensnRBs

This is precisely why this deal will never happen. A small-market team like Ottawa can't afford to have a $5M/yr centre on the 3rd line, and teams trading away high-end players at the trade deadline deal aren't going to just take back $5M/yr of salary because it's more convenient for the other team. The prospect/draft pick compensation for sending that much unwanted salary back the other way in a deal for Duchene would be far more than anyone wants. And after shedding Zibanejad, Prince, Cowen, Wiercioch, and Puempel in the past year, I think the team places an awfully high value on their blue chip prospects.

People should really be thinking more along the lines of Vrbata or Parenteau... Hoffman, Stone, and Ryan weren't shot in the head, they're just injured. So the target is a stop-gap scoring winger to provide some offense until they're back in the lineup. Another interesting possibility would be Palat, who could get caught in an RFA pinch this off-season.

People have to have more realistic expectations about prospects. You have to give to get and not every top prospect will turn out.

The fans (and management team) who are saying they wouldn't trade White or Chabot are the same one who said they wouldn't trade, Cowen, Lazar, Ceci, etc.

We are all guilty of it, but at a certain point you have to give to get.

I know Chabot is a mouth watering prospect after his World Junior showing and Colin White looks poised to be a solid player, but this team does have needs now with this current roster. Even if Chabot and White do turn out and be decent NHLers, by the time that happens, we will probably lose a significant roster player in the process and basically be stuck in the same good, but not good enough place.

It's important to not wear he Sens googles too much. If it's a possible to improve this roster today to come closer to being a contender, you have to explore it, not simply shut the front door.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Chabot and white are most likely going to develop into stars. Duchene is terrible defensively and did nothing, zip for colorado. He's one of the most overrated players in the league, he's fast and got sick hands, that is really it. He's not a leader and defenitely not a player to build a team around. I think Chabot is going to have an immediate impact on the team and most likely be top 4 material in his first season with the team. He gives the impression that he will be the real deal and become a leader. You're entitled to your opinion, but asset management has been very well managed by Pierre Dorion thus far in his first season. I trust him a lot more than Murray.

These trade proposals and asks are ridiculous. Flat out ridiculous, and for once the Euge is 100% right in his comments on player evaluation. The ask Sakic is making is outright insane, to the point where Dorion had to reference it through pot shots in the media as well about other teams trying to fleece him.

In Duchesne, we are talking about a player who is essentially equivalent (slightly more valuable, arguably, but not by much) in value and production to Kyle Turris. We got him for a high end prospect and a 2nd when Arizona was desperate to move on. Paying anything more than that would be prudent, but not necessary, especially if he isn't moved by the deadline.

My final offer would be the following, if they don't like it fine, say we'll take our chances and make him an offer in free agency when he walks, up to you, Joe:

To COL: Ryan, Boro, 1st, Dahlen (who is by far the most underappreciated asset in this proposal by both sides) and Englund
To OTT: Duchesne, Tyutin

Anything more and they can gtfo of here.
- ahjnkn

Amen!

They are insane. No one in their right mind would offer what Sakic is asking. All others who think the asking price makes sense don't understand who to evaluate worth and value.

These trade proposals and asks are ridiculous. Flat out ridiculous, and for once the Euge is 100% right in his comments on player evaluation. The ask Sakic is making is outright insane, to the point where Dorion had to reference it through pot shots in the media as well about other teams trying to fleece him.

In Duchesne, we are talking about a player who is essentially equivalent (slightly more valuable, arguably, but not by much) in value and production to Kyle Turris. We got him for a high end prospect and a 2nd when Arizona was desperate to move on. Paying anything more than that would be prudent, but not necessary, especially if he isn't moved by the deadline.

My final offer would be the following, if they don't like it fine, say we'll take our chances and make him an offer in free agency when he walks, up to you, Joe:

To COL: Ryan, Boro, 1st, Dahlen (who is by far the most underappreciated asset in this proposal by both sides) and Englund
To OTT: Duchesne, Tyutin

Anything more and they can gtfo of here.
- ahjnkn

while I agree that the proposed asking price is ridiculous, your proposal is equally as ridiculous. ryan, due to his contract, has negative value at this point....boro is a 3rd pairing plug who can hit but is a major defensive liability and has no real trade value..............the negative value of ryan essentially offsets one of the prospects so essentially your offer is a 1st (which let's be honest will likely be in the high teens or low 20's) and a B prospect for a player who would be our top line center. that's going full homer in the other direction.

...boro is a 3rd pairing plug who can hit but is a major defensive liability and has no real trade value...
- sensarmy_11

Not singling out sensarmy_11 for the post below, but his comment on Borowieki has me thinking - enough already!

I find myself constantly shaking my head at the ridiculous comments some of you make regarding Sens players. Borowieki is far from a 'plug' as you put it. He's leading the league in hits (under-rated stat), only a -2 in +/- and seems indestructible at times. Where exactly is the 'defensive liability' part?

He plays with heart and passion and stays in games after getting injured, injured to a degree that most (if not all) other players would call it a night. Where would the Sens have been if he didn't return in the Jets game? They certainly wouldn't have been in the position of having a lengthy review (Pageau's goal/non-goal) if he stayed out.

I think the majority od you would be surprised at how many teams would welcome him with open arms if the Sens put him out there.

Reading many of these posts is like having deja vu. Every post, week after week, female dog and moan and whine and complain. The flavor of the day is either Ceci, Boro, Ryan, Niel, Pyatt, Lazar, etc ... on and on. It seems to me that you guys just like to look for anything or anyone to be your next 'whining' project. Apparently on this blog it's usually only worth discussing as long as it's negative ... you wouldn't be 'Sens' fans otherwise.

As for me, I am a Senators fan through and through and although I understand we won't necessarily agree on everything, it would be awesome to read something positive now and then. We are 32-20-6 after all.

Not singling out sensarmy_11 for the post below, but his comment on Borowieki has me thinking - enough already!

I find myself constantly shaking my head at the ridiculous comments some of you make regarding Sens players. Borowieki is far from a 'plug' as you put it. He's leading the league in hits (under-rated stat), only a -2 in +/- and seems indestructible at times. Where exactly is the 'defensive liability' part?

He plays with heart and passion and stays in games after getting injured, injured to a degree that most (if not all) other players would call it a night. Where would the Sens have been if he didn't return in the Jets game? They certainly wouldn't have been in the position of having a lengthy review (Pageau's goal/non-goal) if he stayed out.

I think the majority od you would be surprised at how many teams would welcome him with open arms if the Sens put him out there.

Reading many of these posts is like having deja vu. Every post, week after week, female dog and moan and whine and complain. The flavor of the day is either Ceci, Boro, Ryan, Niel, Pyatt, Lazar, etc ... on and on. It seems to me that you guys just like to look for anything or anyone to be your next 'whining' project. Apparently on this blog it's usually only worth discussing as long as it's negative ... you wouldn't be 'Sens' fans otherwise.

As for me, I am a Senators fan through and through and although I understand we won't necessarily agree on everything, it would be awesome to read something positive now and then. We are 32-20-6 after all.
- legs37

I acknowledged his hits and also pointed out that it's all he does......it's also a horribly overrated stat, as is +/-

He's a terrible skater, plays terrible positional defence, has a hickey in similar to his skate blade, contributespecially nothing offensively, takes lots of dumb penalties.

Sure, he has heart, but who cares. Out of 7 nhl dman on our roster he's EASILY the worst one.

As for positives.......I'm all about the positive. Stone and Karlsson are studs, Turris is one of the most underrated centers in the league, Wideman has been fantastic as has Claessen (and despite that Boro gets the ice time that Claessen has earned )

Chabot and white are most likely going to develop into stars. Duchene is terrible defensively and did nothing, zip for colorado. He's one of the most overrated players in the league, he's fast and got sick hands, that is really it. He's not a leader and defenitely not a player to build a team around. I think Chabot is going to have an immediate impact on the team and most likely be top 4 material in his first season with the team. He gives the impression that he will be the real deal and become a leader. You're entitled to your opinion, but asset management has been very well managed by Pierre Dorion thus far in his first season. I trust him a lot more than Murray.
- PtotheY

Asset management is important. It's basically what my post was about. Smart trades are part of asset management.

Opinions are opinions, indeed. The phrase "Chabot and white are most likely going to develop into stars" seems a little over the top in my mind right now, but they could very well get there. They have had very good junior and college careers, but we all know that doesn't always translate to the NHL. Personally, I like Chabot, but am less sold on White.

Premature really to commend Dorion on his asset management when he hasn't had the job for even a year and has basically Murray's roster, but he has made some swift moves so far. I do agree he seems more competent than Murray so far. I'm hopeful he will get this team to another level in a year or two.

I understand people saying Duchene is underwhelming. It's the truth for the past couple of years. I think it has to do more with the stuff going on in Colorado more than anything. The team is loaded with underperforming young players. That can't just be a coincidence.

No one is saying to bring in Duchene to lead or to build around. We have Stone and Karlsson for that. Duchene would simply be a decent weapon addition up front.

The Sens need to add something significant to become a contender. Not more grinder 3rd and 4th line guys or top six forwards who are actually not the great because they can be had for next to nothing.

I could very well be wrong in my assessment of bringing in Duchene, just like people could be wrong that Chabot and White are going to be "stars".

I guess I seem to be in the minority that thinks this team should be making some "bigger" moves like Duchene, Ebs, Schenn, E Kane, etc

I mentioned this last year but just thinking outside the box... Mike Richards.

He was certainly a difference maker last year for the Caps for the role he was in. He would be basically nothing to sign. he's had cup experience, all reports seem to say that he wants back in the NHL and he's clean and in the best shape he's ever been in.

It's literally a no risk signing and would bolster both our bottom 6 forwards and he's always been great on the PK and faceoffs, and the signing would be cheap enough that we could healthy scratch him if need be.

anyone else hearing theres a trade coming?..trade rumbling out there