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For a rebuilding team it makes sense to accumulate picks. Increases probability of getting an NHL player. For PIT it makes no sense to value those picks as they need to try to win a cup every season while they still have Crosby and Malkin.

He can go on LTIR before the deadline but there is more to getting cap relief than simply putting a guy on LTIR.
- Feds91Stammer

Yup. Had that wrong. I guess the player has to miss at least 10 regular season games or 24 calender days. Which, both Maatta and Daley will miss more than that.

Just found it. 10 regular season games or 24 calender days. Maatta won't be on LTIR before the TDL. F*ck. So that's why we asked them to retain salary.
- madmike71

He can't return before the start of playoffs when theres no cap if we take on salary. Otherwise we would be over the cap for the last few regular season games.

I'm going to assume we are down for the tdl outside of maybe trading fehr for a pick. And slight chance we add a 7d/8d for a 3rd or 4th.

I just don't understand with all this concussion problems in NHL and with Sid that Schultz is on the ice for practice today
- nh4442

Maybe there are different degrees of concussions and the symptoms people experience. Maybe getting back on the ice is part of the recovery process. Maybe Schultz plays in the next day or two. Maybe Schultz is out another week or two.

Yup. Had that wrong. I guess the player has to miss at least 10 regular season games or 24 calender days. Which, both Maatta and Daley will miss more than that.
- madmike71

Yes and they can be placed on it retroactively.

I just don't understand with all this concussion problems in NHL and with Sid that Schultz is on the ice for practice today
- nh4442

Its been at least 7 days. I'm pretty sure thats the protocol if he has passed the baseline test(s).

I think they are super cautious with concussions now. A player may fail the test during the game, if so, they have to sit for at least a week even if the player is feeling fine the next day.

I could be wrong.

LOL so Green has nearly identical TOI.QoC as Letang and Shattenkirk while starting a higher percentage of his shifts in the D zone. Yeah Green sucks
- Feds91Stammer

That's the problem with guys like Karlsson, Letang, Hedman, etc. They skew people's perception of what no. 1 D is. Everyone thinks no. 1 means elite numbers, Norris candidate, etc. And if they aren't that then they aren't top pairing D. Or become labeled a PP specialist (even though 7 of his 26 points are on the PP.. you would think as a PP specialist, a majority of his points would be on the PP...) same poop happens with forwards though too. People grossly miscalculate 1st line or 2nd line scoring rates because of top tier players.

For a rebuilding team it makes sense to accumulate picks. Increases probability of getting an NHL player. For PIT it makes no sense to value those picks as they need to try to win a cup every season while they still have Crosby and Malkin.
- Feds91Stammer

Pretty much. I mean, that's what JR was brought in there for in the first place.

He can't return before the start of playoffs when theres no cap if we take on salary. Otherwise we would be over the cap for the last few regular season games.

I'm going to assume we are down for the tdl outside of maybe trading fehr for a pick. And slight chance we add a 7d/8d for a 3rd or 4th.
- sditulli

6 weeks puts them right around playoff time. GMJR is definitely not done. Your 2nd and 6th D in terms of ATOI are out 6 weeks each. Your 5th D ATOI wise is going through concussion protocol.

He can't return before the start of playoffs when theres no cap if we take on salary. Otherwise we would be over the cap for the last few regular season games.

I'm going to assume we are down for the tdl outside of maybe trading fehr for a pick. And slight chance we add a 7d/8d for a 3rd or 4th.
- sditulli

I think GMJR has something big up his sleeve. He deserves the trust of the Penguins fanbase.

Yeah gotta hold onto all those low value picks and hope they become NHL regulars in 5 years.
- Feds91Stammer

Most successful teams build through the draft. Only the wild are looking like a contender without their core team being drafted by them. All other teams drafted the core of their teams. A 2nd can be a core player.

That's the problem with guys like Karlsson, Letang, Hedman, etc. They skew people's perception of what no. 1 D is. Everyone thinks no. 1 means elite numbers, Norris candidate, etc. And if they aren't that then they aren't top pairing D. Or become labeled a PP specialist (even though 7 of his 26 points are on the PP.. you would think as a PP specialist, a majority of his points would be on the PP...) same poop happens with forwards though too. People grossly miscalculate 1st line or 2nd line scoring rates because of top tier players.
- j.boyd919

It's almost like 30 teams plus 2 top pair slots means there are 60 top pair D in the NHL.

I think GMJR has something big up his sleeve. He deserves the trust of the Penguins fanbase.
- cap1681

I really dont think anything big is required. Just health. Unless of course, its moving Fleury and gaining a top 4 dman.

Most successful teams build through the draft. Only the wild are looking like a contender without their core team being drafted by them. All other teams drafted the core of their teams. A 2nd can be a core player.
- Zac_O

Penguins already have a core of sid, geno, letang, kessel, and now murray...

For a rebuilding team it makes sense to accumulate picks. Increases probability of getting an NHL player. For PIT it makes no sense to value those picks as they need to try to win a cup every season while they still have Crosby and Malkin.
- Feds91Stammer

Penguins have plenty of reasons to retain picks. Our window isn't closing anytime soon and we will need to hit on a few guys to build the cheap supporting cast. Murray changed our window. And Malkin/crosby could very well play into their late 30's as functional 1c's. If you have elite goaltending and top line centers (maybe not generational at that point) then your window is open.

Plus our drafting kicks ass. I could argue we are the top drafting team in all of hockey right now as we had few picks, but have still generated 3 potential top 6 guys (sheary, guentzel, sprong) and found a potential generational goalie while also adding solid depth throughout the lineup.

Most successful teams build through the draft. Only the wild are looking like a contender without their core team being drafted by them. All other teams drafted the core of their teams. A 2nd can be a core player.
- Zac_O

A 2nd can also be a player that never plays an NHL game.

Penguins have plenty of reasons to retain picks. Our window isn't closing anytime soon and we will need to hit on a few guys to build the cheap supporting cast. Murray changed our window. And Malkin/crosby could very well play into their late 30's as functional 1c's. If you have elite goaltending and top line centers (maybe not generational at that point) then your window is open.

Plus our drafting kicks ass. I could argue we are the top drafting team in all of hockey right now as we had few picks, but have still generated 3 potential top 6 guys (sheary, guentzel, sprong) and found a potential generational goalie while also adding solid depth throughout the lineup.
- sditulli

Honestly I would love to hear this argument.

Penguins have plenty of reasons to retain picks. Our window isn't closing anytime soon and we will need to hit on a few guys to build the cheap supporting cast. Murray changed our window. And Malkin/crosby could very well play into their late 30's as functional 1c's. If you have elite goaltending and top line centers (maybe not generational at that point) then your window is open.

Plus our drafting kicks ass. I could argue we are the top drafting team in all of hockey right now as we had few picks, but have still generated 3 potential top 6 guys (sheary, guentzel, sprong) and found a potential generational goalie while also adding solid depth throughout the lineup.
- sditulli

Probably not.

Penguins already have a core of sid, geno, letang, kessel, and now murray...
- j.boyd919

They drafted Kessel right?

6 weeks puts them right around playoff time. GMJR is definitely not done. Your 2nd and 6th D in terms of ATOI are out 6 weeks each. Your 5th D ATOI wise is going through concussion protocol.
- Feds91Stammer

In reality. Schultz is our 3 and Cole is 4th. We've basically lost our bottom pairing D for the rest of the regular season. That's the way things were shaping up the last couple of weeks.

For me, Schultz is the second most important D.

In reality. Schultz is our 3 and Cole is 4th. We've basically lost our bottom pairing D for the rest of the regular season. That's the way things were shaping up the last couple of weeks.

For me, Schultz is the second most important D.
- madmike71

Daley was 2nd in ATOI. That is an important role to fill. Schultz is 5th and Maatta is 6th.

Penguins already have a core of sid, geno, letang, kessel, and now murray...
- j.boyd919

Im not saying they need to get a core. But drafting players now that become part of the core later makes teams avoid rebuilding or tanking.

They drafted Kessel right?
- Feds91Stammer

A wings fan should understand this. You've not needed to rebuild for decades cuz of proper drafting. Part of that is keeping early picks.



Why are you here anyways? All you do is pick stupid fights and use strawman arguments. Nothing better to do?

Im not saying they need to get a core. But drafting players now that become part of the core later makes teams avoid rebuilding or tanking.
- Zac_O

So you would want to go down the path of mediocrity like DET?

Penguins 2nd round picks since 2004:

Johannes Salmonsson
Alex Goligoski
Michael Gergen
Carl Sneep
Keven Veilleux
Philip Samuelsson
Scott Harrington
Teddy Blueger
Tristan Jarry
Daniel Sprong
Filip Gustavsson
Kasper Bjorkqvist

With the exception of Goligoski and the recent guys who haven't had a chance to show their worth, the Pens have mostly missed in the 2nd round.