I think the entire team has proven this year they're all awful players. Because track record doesn't matter, only this catastrophic scoring year for the entire team. Couturier is a 4C. Schenn is a 4W. Ghost a #6 d man. Giroux is Vinny reincarnated. Jake is an albatross. Everyone except Simmonds....who is scoring at the same rate as everyone else, but we like him more. Raffl has had the same dip everyone else has.

And he can play anywhere in a pinch. Hakstol has never played him at center, and that's his choice though, even with injuries. Raffl is a 3rd line winger in skill and that's hopefully where he can go if there's more talent to boost depth (and it's where he is), but if Raffl is the 3rd best player on a scoring line, it's not worst case. Jake and Giroux still score at higher rates with Raffl than apart. People have poop on Raffl every single year, so this is nothing new.
- Mononoke

So does this season not count?

Learn to sense hyperbole before you waste more time with long, drawn out autoresponses to the same poop as always that boil down to something completely obvious like if they Flyers played better they would get better chances.

I have no doubt that the Flyers know where there shots come from and how many they get and if they had a problem with it they would be making noticeable changes to how they attempted to score. Lack of skill adds to the equation, but there is plenty of evidence that they are willing to take shot attempts from low percentage areas more than most teams.
- YuenglingJagr

It's not hyperbole. It's been a poorly created and repeated criticism of Hakstol, and it's just plain wrong. You don't have to have any ind epth or advanced hockey knowledge to know just how absurd the premise is. With any system or strategy change, it still has to be executed on the ice. It would be great if an NHL coaching staff could just look at a shot attempt heat shot chart and realize, "gee look, were taking too many point shots, we should change the system" That's hyperbole by the way, but it illustrates a point.

So does this season not count?
- ggunky

this season is all that counts

So does this season not count?
- ggunky

If we get a top 10 pick it does

Hyperbole hyperbole hyperbolalraeaf4e

I am more concerned with the type of FA signing than who he actually signed. It represented a desire to focus on "veteran, dependable" BS instead of skill. Blocking younger players is another story, but I am at least optimistic that could change shortly
- YuenglingJagr

Well, i think that dovetails with my point, no?

If you sign these no skill vets, aren't you going to be disappointed?

Anyone who watches a lick of hockey knew Gordon wasn't going to add anything to this team.

I didn't get the Weise signing the day it happened and it still doesn't make sense to me today.

I would love to see the Flyers sign players with higher hockey IQ and players who can skate, who have speed.

Learn to sense hyperbole before you waste more time with long, drawn out autoresponses to the same poop as always that boil down to something completely obvious like if they Flyers played better they would get better chances.

I have no doubt that the Flyers know where there shots come from and how many they get and if they had a problem with it they would be making noticeable changes to how they attempted to score. Lack of skill adds to the equation, but there is plenty of evidence that they are willing to take shot attempts from low percentage areas more than most teams.
- YuenglingJagr

It's not hyperbole. It's been a poorly created and repeated criticism of Hakstol, and it's just plain wrong. You don't have to have any ind epth or advanced hockey knowledge to know just how absurd the premise is. With any system or strategy change, it still has to be executed on the ice. It would be great if an NHL coaching staff could just look at a shot attempt heat shot chart and realize, "gee look, were taking too many point shots, we should change the system" That's hyperbole by the way, but it illustrates a point.
- MJL

You would not believe your eyes if you saw the shot attempt heat shot chart that NHL teams use. So incredibly advanced

If we get a top 10 pick it does
- Mononoke

this season is all that counts
- YuenglingJagr

Silly, my point is this season counts just the same as any previous season.

- Scoob

- Wayne Gretzkey
- Michael Scott
- Dave Hakstol

Anyone who watches a lick of hockey knew Gordon wasn't going to add anything to this team
- ggunky

But the Flyers staff watches all the hockey better than us. How did they nut no?

Well, i think that dovetails with my point, no?

If you sign these no skill vets, aren't you going to be disappointed?

Anyone who watches a lick of hockey knew Gordon wasn't going to add anything to this team.

I didn't get the Weise signing the day it happened and it still doesn't make sense to me today.

I would love to see the Flyers sign players with higher hockey IQ and players who can skate, who have speed.
- ggunky

If that was your point I am cool with it. I said from Day 1 Gordon was a waste

Weise, I think everyone expected more

I dont consider not singing more skilled players as necessarily a swing and a miss, but I think we are on the same page

But the Flyers staff watches all the hockey better than us. How did they nut no?
- Mononoke

The Flyers management and coaching staff are privy to information we, the ill informed fans are not. Clearly, they are far more capable at making player and roster decisions then us ill informed Monday morning couch potatoes.

You would not believe your eyes if you saw the shot attempt heat shot chart that NHL teams use. So incredibly advanced
- YuenglingJagr

The color shades and font they use are at a level beyond your comprehension. It's like comparing the Sistine Chapel ceiling to the Ziggy comic strip.

Some of you folks need to get the sand out

I am more concerned with the type of FA signing than who he actually signed. It represented a desire to focus on "veteran, dependable" BS instead of skill. Blocking younger players is another story, but I am at least optimistic that could change shortly
- YuenglingJagr

The Umberger trade too...

The color shades and font they use are way more advanced. It's like comparing the Sistine Chapel ceiling to the Ziggy comic strip.
- Mononoke

my wife took a photograph of the sistine chapel and we made it out alive. That's right...I married a bad female dog

edit: I married a human female

If that was your point I am cool with it. I said from Day 1 Gordon was a waste

Weise, I think everyone expected more

I dont consider not singing more skilled players as necessarily a swing and a miss, but I think we are on the same page
- YuenglingJagr

Some of you folks need to get the sand out
- Scoob

Do you know a fancy way to get the sand out? I'd just use a hose, but it seems very uncouth.

my wife took a photograph of the sistine chapel and we made it out alive. That's right...I married a bad female dog

edit: I married a human female
- YuenglingJagr

a price will be paid

Do you know a fancy way to get the sand out? I'd just use a hose, but it seems very uncouth.
- Mononoke

A hose is my suggestion

A hose is my suggestion
- Scoob

Should we all do it together or is that too weird?

A hose is my suggestion
- Scoob

I've decided to use a pitcher of filtered Brita water

a price will be paid
- Scoob

The illuminati are on their way