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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 22 @ 11:17 AM ET
No.

The chart is for 5v5. It shows that the Flyers shot rate is significantly less than league average from in close (blue) while significantly more from the perimeter (red).

- JFlyers00

Please forgive our friend Scoob...he is a bit behind the eight ball when it comes to fancy things
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 22 @ 11:18 AM ET
4-1 Flyers win.

Goals:
Couturier
Voracek
Cousins
Schenn

2 fights tonight

Neuvirth plays awesome.


BOOM
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
No.

The chart is for 5v5. It shows that the Flyers shot rate is significantly less than league average from in close (blue) while significantly more from the perimeter (red).

- JFlyers00


Got it. Thanks
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
Please forgive our friend Scoob...he is a bit behind the eight ball when it comes to fancy things
- YuenglingJagr


lolz

And you're welcome for asking about something you also weren't sure of
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 22 @ 11:37 AM ET
lolz

And you're welcome for asking about something you also weren't sure of

- Scoob

Wouldn't be the first time on here I was told I didn't know how to understand shot statistics...
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 11:47 AM ET
One week away! Get your asking prices ready Hextall!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:56 AM ET
So the Jets say that Laine set their rookie goal scoring record last night.

I know where they're coming from but it seems contrived and wrong to me.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 22 @ 12:00 PM ET
So the Jets say that Laine set their rookie goal scoring record last night.

I know where they're coming from but it seems contrived and wrong to me.

- Scoob


haha, took me a minute to figure out how he had 77 goals.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 22 @ 12:01 PM ET
Please forgive our friend Scoob...he is a bit behind the eight ball when it comes to fancy things
- YuenglingJagr


Haven't we proven time and again that fancy things are not for this board?
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 22 @ 12:04 PM ET
One week away! Get your asking prices ready Hextall!
- SuperSchennBros


These get the deal done, settle for less in the last 3 hours of TDL day.

Streit-2nd
Neuvirth or Mason-2nd
Bellemare-3rd
MDZ-3rd
Schultz-5th
Vandevelde-5th

Willing to listen on non UFAs but not selling anyone off so can't have a price in mind.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:07 PM ET
Odd how the Flyers managed to make the playoffs so often with back to back bad GMs.
- Baxter27

Clarke's teams only went to the finals an average of once every four years over a couple decades.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 22 @ 12:10 PM ET
These get the deal done, settle for less in the last 3 hours of TDL day.

Streit-2nd
Neuvirth or Mason-2nd
Bellemare-3rd
MDZ-3rd
Schultz-5th
Vandevelde-5th

Willing to listen on non UFAs but not selling anyone off so can't have a price in mind.

- Baxter27

Bellemare deal. Act now and get Matt Read for free!
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 22 @ 12:12 PM ET
Clarke's teams only went to the finals an average of once every four years over a couple decades.
- mayorofangrytown


I was referring to the 1994-2014 period.

Clarke:
1 Stanley Cup Finals appearance (1997)
1 conference title, 5 division titles, and 11 playoff appearances

Holmgren:
1 Stanley Cup Finals appearance (2010)
1 conference title, 1 division title, and 6 playoff appearances
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:34 PM ET
Some good points. I just don't buy that the whole team is slumping at once at 5v5. There's a lot more talent on this roster than some believe.

The Flyers expected fenwick shooting percentage is 3rd from last in the NHL, so is it really that surprising when their actual shooting percentage is also 3rd from last?

The Flyers also have the farthest average shot distance in the entire NHL.

Combine this with their shot chart:



Just screams systems issue to me.

- JFlyers00


Looks like an ink blot test to me.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 22 @ 12:35 PM ET
Looks like an ink blot test to me.
- hockeylover

and what do you see?
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Feb 22 @ 12:39 PM ET
In all honesty what moves were out there to make?

He was able to move the Lecavalier contract. He got out from the Pronger deal. Their really weren't any free agents, top end types, that he should have went after.

He's being patient until it's time not to be patient.

- J35Bacher

I think you put that perfectly and what I think a lot of fans are missing. Now is not that time.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:41 PM ET
So the Jets say that Laine set their rookie goal scoring record last night.

I know where they're coming from but it seems contrived and wrong to me.

- Scoob



Im guessing those Selanne stats fall under the purview of the Coyotes organization?
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
and what do you see?
- YuenglingJagr


two people doing the nasty...


in all seriousness, I see the state of Florida and two ovaries.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:42 PM ET





- JFlyers00



Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
Im guessing those Selanne stats fall under the purview of the Coyotes organization?
- MBFlyerfan


Gives them some historical legitimacy I guess
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 22 @ 12:50 PM ET

- Scoob



We are old...

Yes that first chart looked like a lava lamp.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 22 @ 1:01 PM ET
and what do you see?
- YuenglingJagr

A mediocre hockey team.
What did I win?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 22 @ 1:04 PM ET
and what do you see?
- YuenglingJagr


A headache
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:17 PM ET
He has so little to work with, I almost feel bad for Hak

Looking objectively:
Vandevelde is a borderline 4th liner
PEB, Lyubimov are average 4th line players.
Raffl and Weise might be signed to 3rd line contracts, but they are playing like 4th liners.
Cousins hustles and draws penalties, but he is a 3rd line player at best.
Read is barely a 3rd liner at this point.

That leaves all of 5 forwards
Simmonds is great on the pp and brings toughness which this team sorely lacks, but at ES, he is a 2nd line guy at best
Schenn is great on the pp, but just flat out bad at ES, he really should be on the 3rd line.
Couturier is an ok 2nd line center who is never going to be a big scorer

and now we are down to 2:
Giroux is a mess right now, hell he's even somewhat struggling on the pp. The way he is playing right now, he has no business playing in the top 6 at ES

Jake is pretty much it for a legit threat at ES, if you shut him down, they aren't going score except on the pp.

Now add that to a D where your top guy just turned 20 and goalies who have been woefully inconsistent and I'm not sure what Hak can really do.

I don't like some of Hak's line combos and certainly often disagree with his lineups, but at the end of the day, I really can't judge him as a head coach. He just doesn't have enough talent to work with.

- BiggE


This is an excellent post overall. You didn't mention Kony, but I see him eventually as second line talent. Right now maybe he's third.

Regardless, you are spot on WRT the forwards. We basically have 5 or 6 guys that are truly top 9 but who are underperforming. Surround them with 6 more guys who are 4th liners and this is the type or scoring you get (or don't get).
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 22 @ 1:17 PM ET
We are old...

Yes that first chart looked like a lava lamp.

- dragonoffrost


A lava what?
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