I could see Edmonton looking for an upgrade on Gustavsson. Would LA be interested if Quick has a set back. I know Budjia played well but would they role into the playoffs with him? Calgary?

I think there could be interest.
- J35Bacher

No doubt, but I think every one of those teams would be just as much or more interested in Neuvirth.

Andrew Macdonald left practice
He didn't take his sticks
They don't miss him

That they've been two of the worst goalies this year, and Neuvirth just getting over an injury doesn't give a reason to showcase them?
- Mononoke

I really dont think they are showcasing him...I think Hakstol actually likes him more

No doubt, but I think every one of those teams would be just as much or more interested in Neuvirth.
- BiggE

I agree.

Flyers just take the best deal that comes, no matter which goalie. Lyon is playing well in Lehigh Valley so I would bring up Stolarz and let him play. Split time with whoever is still here.

If they are playing defense like they did the past few years they'd be winning more games...

Goal production for the team is pretty static.

Goals allowed by the team is not as good as it was.

Which is the reason?

Yes they could score more and it would help but it's not the difference from prior seasons.

The only answer isn't always score more goals.
- dragonoffrost

Never mind

Never mind
- PhillySportsGuy

You are saying since scoring is up through the league the Flyers need to score more. I'm saying that ain't always the case.

Scoring could have went that season and the Devils with the (frank)ing trap still would have won that cup.

League wide trends aren't always applicable to every team.

This team bleeds high quality chances and they are ending up in the net behind whichever goalie is in that net. THAT is what I think is the difference this season than the previous 2.

If the Flyers were giving up the 2.66 goals against per game this year that they did last year they'd be 13th in the league. Tell me that doesn't make a difference in their standing?

If they are playing defense like they did the past few years they'd be winning more games...

Goal production for the team is pretty static.

Goals allowed by the team is not as good as it was.

Which is the reason?

Yes they could score more and it would help but it's not the difference from prior seasons.

The only answer isn't always score more goals.
- dragonoffrost

The Flyers haven't been good the last few years too, so I'm not sure I get your point. They've just managed to squeak into the playoffs sometimes with elite 5v5 goaltending, which you can't always count on. Goaltending and defense has been poor, but the Flyers are so bad offensively they'd have to have the best goals against in the league to have a positive differential.

Their offense has been below average since 2013-14. This year it has poop the bed. If you're only ahead of Carolina and Colorado in GA/60....and only ahead of New Jersey and Colorado in GF/60.....you just suck. In both facets. We're a great PP and some timely goals away from being a bottom 3-5 team. Us and the Avs are the only two in both of those categories. If it's possible to have bad offense, bad mistake prone defense, and bad goaltending all swirling in the same gas station toilet bowl, the Flyers are doing it.

No more overreaction that nobody could possibly want Giroux. The Blues for example I think would take G quicker than I can grab a bridge from my fridge. The Habs would take him for anything they have not named Carey Price because he's French.

You are saying since scoring is up through the league the Flyers need to score more. I'm saying that ain't always the case.

Scoring could have went that season and the Devils with the (frank)ing trap still would have won that cup.

League wide trends aren't always applicable to every team.

This team bleeds high quality chances and they are ending up in the net behind whichever goalie is in that net. THAT is what I think is the difference this season than the previous 2.

If the Flyers were giving up the 2.66 goals against per game this year that they did last year they'd be 13th in the league. Tell me that doesn't make a difference in their standing?
- dragonoffrost

What I'm saying is that the Flyers scoring at 5v5 is down from last year too. Scoring and defending have both been equally as bad. If you think being 28th in 5v5 scoring is good enough, then I don't know to tell ya. You basically need to be real good in every other facet of the game to make the playoffs.

Add in John Smallwood
- PhillySportsGuy

Great name

No more overreaction that nobody could possibly want Giroux. The Blues for example I think would take G quicker than I can grab a bridge from my fridge. The Habs would take him for anything they have not named Carey Price because he's French.
- SuperSchennBros

Yeah, I think a third of the league would be calling if Giroux were made available. His contact is on par what what guys are getting in FA now anyway.

That they've been two of the worst goalies this year, and Neuvirth just getting over an injury doesn't give a reason to showcase them?
- Mononoke

Not really. Their histories show what they are - on a good team, they're good enough to get you to a Cup. On a not good team, they're not good enough to save your sorry arse on a nightly basis.

Yeah, I think a third of the league would be calling if Giroux were made available. His contact is on par what what guys are getting in FA now anyway.
- hereticpride

I don't think so.

Not many teams can fit a declining player at over an 8million cap hit.

Also Giroux isn't a player that seems to age well. he was never speedy so losing a step just brings him back to the pack and he isn't overly big so he can't rely on strength.

Things could change but I think we have seen the best of Giroux.

I don't think so.

Not many teams can fit a declining player at over an 8million cap hit.

Also Giroux isn't a player that seems to age well. he was never speedy so losing a step just brings him back to the pack and he isn't overly big so he can't rely on strength.

Things could change but I think we have seen the best of Giroux.
- J35Bacher

And the same can be said of a bunch of guys who hit FA these days and team's still throw ridiculous amounts of money at them. It's not like he's fallen off like a Dustin Brown.

And the same can be said of a bunch of guys who hit FA these days and team's still throw ridiculous amounts of money at them. It's don't like he's fallen off like a Dustin Brown.
- hereticpride

It's easier to just throw money at a FA when that's all you giving up then to throw players and picks while already taking on money.

Not really. Their histories show what they are - on a good team, they're good enough to get you to a Cup. On a not good team, they're not good enough to save your sorry arse on a nightly basis.
- Scoob

I'd argue Mason has done that every single year minus this year.....but when a player is having a poor year and gets injured, like Neuvy (I don't know if they'll trade him), I think it sets a team's mind at ease to see him get hot and show he's healthy again before the trade deadline for someone who is just a rental. IMHO.

What I'm saying is that the Flyers scoring at 5v5 is down from last year too. Scoring and defending have both been equally as bad. If you think being 28th in 5v5 scoring is good enough, then I don't know to tell ya. You basically need to be real good in every other facet of the game to make the playoffs.
- PhillySportsGuy

This team is 5 points (factoring in games in hand) out of the playoffs with as poor as their offense has been they would be in the playoffs with the same defensive numbers from last season.

Every team plays differently Hakstol has them focusing on defense now. I wonder why? he knows this team will produce about 2.6 goals per game. It's been that way for the last 3 years. Knowing that as a coach I'd want to giving up closer to that in goals against per game currently they are giving up over 3 a game.

Again more than one way to win games. All the focus on offense is great if you got the horses. This team doesn't.

I don't care what anyone says the number are consistent over the last 3 seasons you are going to score 2.6 goals per game and about 1.7 at even strength. If you can't see those I'm not sure I can help you understand you are asking for blood from a stone with this core.

grab a bridge from my fridge
- SuperSchennBros

I am intrigued

I don't think so.

Not many teams can fit a declining player at over an 8million cap hit.

Also Giroux isn't a player that seems to age well. he was never speedy so losing a step just brings him back to the pack and he isn't overly big so he can't rely on strength.

Things could change but I think we have seen the best of Giroux.
- J35Bacher

But I would bet many teams would try to make it work. We may have seen the best of Giroux, but he wouldn't need to be his best nor would he have such dead weight of a useless team holding him back (like previous years). He may not be strong, he may not be fast, but he certainly has great hands and puck skills. If he went to a team that had a legitimate sniping winger, I could see Giroux putting together a very successful season not being "the" guy. Even from a lines match up point, Giroux's game/life becomes easier on a win now contender that he'd likely be traded to

I am intrigued
- Mononoke

I'm so hungry I could eat a bridge

But I would bet many teams would try to make it work. We may have seen the best of Giroux, but he wouldn't need to be his best nor would he have such dead weight of a useless team holding him back (like previous years). He may not be strong, he may not be fast, but he certainly has great hands and puck skills. If he went to a team that had a legitimate sniping winger, I could see Giroux putting together a very successful season not being "the" guy. Even from a lines match up point, Giroux's game/life becomes easier on a win now contender that he'd likely be traded to
- arichardson22

I just don't see it.

I think there are fits but I think it is limited. Also the NMC limits you. I look at the Rick Nash deal. You might not get anything sexy but you might get something useful.

Yeah, I think a third of the league would be calling if Giroux were made available. His contact is on par what what guys are getting in FA now anyway.
- hereticpride

His production is on par with VDV

I just don't see it.

I think there are fits but I think it is limited. Also the NMC limits you. I look at the Rick Nash deal. You might not get anything sexy but you might get something useful.
- J35Bacher

I can't help but think of Phil Kessel. had a "down year" was a mess +/- had questions with his effort. etc. But they found a partner and made it work with Pitt.

I can't help but think of Phil Kessel. had a "down year" was a mess +/- had questions with his effort. etc. But they found a partner and made it work with Pitt.
- arichardson22

I know they could find a partner.

Look at what the return was for Toronto. Maybe it pans out but nothing to really love about it now.

Just saying return for Giroux would probably not be sexy.

There is still time to tank with pride.