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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:20 AM ET
lol...you know what that tells me?
- Scoob



I am an idiot and should just come to the conclusion that Couturier is the next Joel Otto?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:21 AM ET
Thanks. My gut tells me that a 35 psi decrease would result in a less than 1 m/s change

If you do the math to prove me wrong/right, please show your work.

- Scoob


Depends on what the change is from more than the change itself.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 21 @ 10:21 AM ET
My issue is the way Raffl has played this year he's a dime a dozen NHL player. Free agency will be full of guys like him.
- dragonoffrost


He's still an elite level possession guy. I think we should take each guy's scoring stats with a grain of salt. Scoring is down for everyone. I think a good bit of that is on coaching.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:23 AM ET
He's still an elite level possession guy. I think we should take each guy's scoring stats with a grain of salt. Scoring is down for everyone. I think a good bit of that is on coaching.
- PhillySportsGuy


"Why were they able to score much more last season with the same coach? The coach has zero to do with their scoring woes."

Please notice the quotation marks.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 21 @ 10:24 AM ET
Depends on what the change is from more than the change itself.
- jmatchett383


Of course. From 35 psi down to 0 would be a big change. Probably close to a 100% reduction in m/s. lol
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 21 @ 10:24 AM ET
truthfully I don't expect that at all.
- nastyflyergirl

me either..

Typically the guys who struggle are the one who have some sort of dynamic skill set that they over rely on. Look at players like Ghost and Gaudreau..

Provy is incredibly balanced, and his best attribute is his hockey sense. I would be more surprised to see him truly struggle next year than I would to see him get a vote for Norris (not win or runner up).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:24 AM ET
Of course. From 35 psi down to 0 would be a big change. Probably close to a 100% reduction in m/s. lol
- Scoob


exactly.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:25 AM ET
He's still an elite level possession guy. I think we should take each guy's scoring stats with a grain of salt. Scoring is down for everyone. I think a good bit of that is on coaching.
- PhillySportsGuy



I think that is an easy scapegoat.

Raffl has spent majority of the season on the top line.

Raffl is a nice player. But he also isn't anything special. He had a good 21 goal season and now has come back to earth. He is also getting to the 30 age as I think he is 28 right now. The Flyers I believe have guys in the system that I think can fill his role moving forward(Abul-Kabel, Fazleev, Leier, and possibly Lindholm).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:26 AM ET
I think that is an easy scapegoat.

Raffl has spent majority of the season on the top line.

Raffl is a nice player. But he also isn't anything special. He had a good 21 goal season and now has come back to earth. He is also getting to the 30 age as I think he is 28 right now. The Flyers I believe have guys in the system that I think can fill his role moving forward(Abul-Kabel, Fazleev, Leier, and possibly Lindholm).

- J35Bacher


How has that top line been scoring at ES this year, with or without him?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 21 @ 10:28 AM ET
Did you know that, keeping everything else constant, a 35 psi change in your steam inlet pressure ends up only changing your velocity by 1 m/s?
- jmatchett383


truly fascinating....how are you keeping everything else constant?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:30 AM ET
truly fascinating....how are you keeping everything else constant?
- YuenglingJagr


Not changing my tube (or pipe would work as well) diameter, my outlet pressure, or changing elevation.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 21 @ 10:30 AM ET
The sophomore slump is real
- Scoob


Or is it just the result of real bad coaching? I heard Hak goes to Detroit in his free time and personally regress Dylan Larkin.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:31 AM ET
How has that top line been scoring at ES this year, with or without him?
- jmatchett383



I understand they all have struggled.

I also said he is a nice player.

But he also has the same amount of points as Vandevelde who has played only on the 4th line.

But right now when I have to determine who I want to protect in the expansion draft, I might look to protect future(Cousins and Laughton) over maybe Raffl who I am not even sure they would take.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:32 AM ET
Or is it just the result of real bad coaching? I heard Hak goes to Detroit in his free time and personally regress Dylan Larkin.
- Feanor


If not for Dave Hakstol, Teemu Selanne would have increase his 76-goal rookie output by 2/3 instead of reducing it by 2/3 in his second year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:33 AM ET
I understand they all have struggled.

I also said he is a nice player.

But he also has the same amount of points as Vandevelde who has played only on the 4th line.

But right now when I have to determine who I want to protect in the expansion draft, I might look to protect future(Cousins and Laughton) over maybe Raffl who I am not even sure they would take.

- J35Bacher


I think Raffl gets taken if he's exposed more than Laughton. I also think that Cousins has earned protection.

If you don't want Raffl to be part of your team next year, then trade him.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
I am an idiot and should just come to the conclusion that Couturier is the next Joel Otto?
- J35Bacher


Honestly, I wish he was as strong, physical and as good on faceoffs as Otto was.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
He's winning 53.7% of his faceoffs this season.

http://puckbase.com/stats...ceoff-percentage?team=PHI

As a Flyer, Otto won 53.6% of his faceoffs.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,gte,&sort=faceoffWinPctg

I think Raffl gets taken if he's exposed more than Laughton. I also think that Cousins has earned protection.

If you don't want Raffl to be part of your team next year, then trade him.

- jmatchett383


That's a good idea. Then Vegas would be forced to take Read, Weise or Leier. Or Manning, if they get another dman to protect
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
I think that is an easy scapegoat.

Raffl has spent majority of the season on the top line.

Raffl is a nice player. But he also isn't anything special. He had a good 21 goal season and now has come back to earth. He is also getting to the 30 age as I think he is 28 right now. The Flyers I believe have guys in the system that I think can fill his role moving forward(Abul-Kabel, Fazleev, Leier, and possibly Lindholm).

- J35Bacher


Cousins and Laughton aren't anything special either
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:35 AM ET
Honestly, I wish he was as strong, physical and as good on faceoffs as Otto was.
- BiggE


Okay, he's the next Kent Manderville.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 10:36 AM ET
Cousins and Laughton aren't anything special either
- PhillySportsGuy


There isn't a single player that they are likely exposing in the expansion draft that I'd give a damn if taken. Not a one.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:37 AM ET
Cousins and Laughton aren't anything special either
- PhillySportsGuy



They also aren't 28.

Cousins has showed some good skills and has progressed some. Laughton, once back up could show some growth. I don't think a kid is done developing at 22,23, 24 years old.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Feb 21 @ 10:38 AM ET
I think that is an easy scapegoat.

Raffl has spent majority of the season on the top line.

Raffl is a nice player. But he also isn't anything special. He had a good 21 goal season and now has come back to earth. He is also getting to the 30 age as I think he is 28 right now. The Flyers I believe have guys in the system that I think can fill his role moving forward(Abul-Kabel, Fazleev, Leier, and possibly Lindholm).

- J35Bacher


There is a reason the flyers are bottom-5 in all the expected shooting percentage stats.

Raffl is probably the best healthy LW on this team right now. So underrated.

Wayne Simmonds is also 28...
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:41 AM ET
There is a reason the flyers are bottom-5 in all the expected shooting percentage stats.

Raffl is probably the best healthy LW on this team right now. So underrated.

Wayne Simmonds is also 28...

- JFlyers00



And I have said before I would be ok moving Simmonds in a deal. His value might never be higher.

But 28 Raffl is different then 28 year old Simmonds.

arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 21 @ 10:42 AM ET
And I have said before I would be ok moving Simmonds in a deal. His value might never be higher.

But 28 Raffl is different then 28 year old Simmonds.

- J35Bacher


Is it a skin color thing?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 21 @ 10:42 AM ET
There isn't a single player that they are likely exposing in the expansion draft that I'd give a damn if taken. Not a one.
- BiggE


It certainly won't break them in anyway.

They'll end up with two spots for Read, Raffl, Cousins and Laughton unless they deal someone like Schenn or Simmonds.
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