Does this year count as McDavids sophomore year? or will it start halfway into next year since he missed half the season
- YuenglingJagr

Don't know. Don't care.

The sophomore slump while real, doesn't manifest in all players equally.

I don't want to see a young player taken and I would be annoyed to lose Stolarz after putting in all this time in his development
- nastyflyergirl

Stolarz will be protected, I have no doubt about that. Cousins is the only young player I would miss at all, and I believe he will be protected too. Laughton and Leier are nothing special, IMO and they have much better prospects already in the system.

It's not hate, it's just a terrible idea.
- jmatchett383

This is possibly the worst idea ever posted on here, and keep in mind that I post on here.
- jmatchett383

Stolarz will be protected, I have no doubt about that. Cousins is the only young player I would miss at all, and I believe he will be protected too. Laughton and Leier are nothing special, IMO and they have much better prospects already in the system.
- BiggE

Agreed. I'd prefer to keep both Laughton and Leier, but wouldn't be devastated if they went.

personally I think MDZ should get more and Streit get less. but thats me
- nastyflyergirl

i think the opposite actually

Don't know. Don't care.

The sophomore slump while real, doesn't manifest in all players equally.
- Scoob

sounds substantiated

yeah i hadnt fully backread....i did assume non-zero conditions, but wouldnt ever expect a linear pressure/velocity trend
- YuenglingJagr

Correct, but then remember this is HB so I'm sure some would expect that, or at the very least some would argue it

It's not hate, it's just a terrible idea.
- jmatchett383

Because it goes against what every thinks is the right idea?

In all honesty what do you think you get for Giroux in a trade?

I actually think he wouldn't be taken. I don't think Vegas would want any part of that contract to start the franchise. I think they want as much flexibility as possible.

sounds substantiated
- YuenglingJagr

Well sourced by the Philly beats

Because it goes against what every thinks is the right idea?

In all honesty what do you think you get for Giroux in a trade?

I actually think he wouldn't be taken. I don't think Vegas would want any part of that contract to start the franchise. I think they want as much flexibility as possible.
- J35Bacher

No. because you could get a decent return for him in a trade despite his production and cap hit.

I know the odds of it happening.

I know it's kind of far fetched.

I guess I just don't see Giroux really recovering. His loss of explosion and not really impacting games is worrisome.
- J35Bacher

It is worrisome, but I think its too soon to completely give up. Yes his numbers have shown decline in x amount of years, but I think its slightly overblown and under the magnifying glass this season due to the all-around lack of scoring/production from the team. I also am giving a little slack with the possibility of injury or never fully healing from hip surgery.

Stolarz will be protected, I have no doubt about that. Cousins is the only young player I would miss at all, and I believe he will be protected too. Laughton and Leier are nothing special, IMO and they have much better prospects already in the system.
- BiggE

Didn't Hextall say they plan to protect him at the STH town hall? Maybe he hinted that is the plan.

Didn't Hextall say they plan to protect him at the STH town hall? Maybe he hinted that is the plan.
- J35Bacher

Yeah, he let it be known that they'll be protecting him.

Stolarz will be protected, I have no doubt about that. Cousins is the only young player I would miss at all, and I believe he will be protected too. Laughton and Leier are nothing special, IMO and they have much better prospects already in the system.
- BiggE

QFIMHO I believe you are undervaluing Scott Laughton

I don't want to see a young player taken and I would be annoyed to lose Stolarz after putting in all this time in his development
- nastyflyergirl

I'm not disagreeing with you about being annoyed but they've put more time into Manning's development and he's shown a hell of a lot more at both levels but any consideration about protecting him is written off as a joke.

They've also put equal time in developing Leier and Laughton and they've arguably been better at the AHL level then Stolarz.

Didn't Hextall say they plan to protect him at the STH town hall? Maybe he hinted that is the plan.
- J35Bacher

Yup. I expected either Mason or, more likely, Neuvirth to be traded in the next week or so and a generic veteran backup coming back to Philly as part of the deal. That guy will be the guy they expose in the expansion draft.

Because it goes against what every thinks is the right idea?

In all honesty what do you think you get for Giroux in a trade?

I actually think he wouldn't be taken. I don't think Vegas would want any part of that contract to start the franchise. I think they want as much flexibility as possible.
- J35Bacher

I think people are overstating Giroux's decline. He's having a rough year, but he's also having horrific luck. It reminds me of the year Ovechkin finished -35 and people thought he'd never be a good player again. Giroux's PDO is 95.2.

Yup. I expected either Mason or, more likely, Neuvirth to be traded in the next week or so and a generic veteran backup coming back to Philly as part of the deal. That guy will be the guy they expose in the expansion draft.
- BiggE

I'm expecting this also unless no one gives an offer for one of our goalies.

QFIMHO I believe you are undervaluing Scott Laughton
- YuenglingJagr

Well, QFIMHO, I think you're wrong. He's average sized, an average skater, has ok, but nowhere near elite skills, and, he seems to be a bit injury prone. Could he develop into a solid 3rd line player? Sure, I guess, but that would be his ceiling. However, I think it's much more likely that he ends up as a 4th line penalty killer at best.

I think people are overstating Giroux's decline. He's having a rough year, but he's also having horrific luck. It reminds me of the year Ovechkin finished -35 and people thought he'd never be a good player again. Giroux's PDO is 95.2.
- PhillySportsGuy

He could certainly bounce back to some degree, especially if he is nursing an injury. That being said, I don't think he will ever be the player he was 4 or 5 years ago. Time and injuries take their toll, especially on a guy the size of Giroux and he's not blessed with the luxury of having blazing speed to help compensate for his lack of size.

I think people are overstating Giroux's decline. He's having a rough year, but he's also having horrific luck. It reminds me of the year Ovechkin finished -35 and people thought he'd never be a good player again. Giroux's PDO is 95.2.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think its been blown up. Its worrisome, but its not doomsday (yet). I know its a business at the end of the day, but for all Giroux has done for this team over the years, its bothersome with how quickly people want him out the door.

I'm not disagreeing with you about being annoyed but they've put more time into Manning's development and he's shown a hell of a lot more at both levels but any consideration about protecting him is written off as a joke.

They've also put equal time in developing Leier and Laughton and they've arguably been better at the AHL level then Stolarz.
- Baxter27

I view goalies differently. the Flyers have a variety of dmen and 3/4th line guys coming along (which is what would be exposed) than goalies. Goalies take so much longer to develop. outside of Lyon all of the goalie prospects are not even to the AHL level yet.

Well, QFIMHO, I think you're wrong. He's average sized, an average skater, has ok, but nowhere near elite skills, and, he seems to be a bit injury prone. Could he develop into a solid 3rd line player? Sure, I guess, but that would be his ceiling. However, I think it's much more likely that he ends up as a 4th line penalty killer at best.
- BiggE

ETOOHOOSLAD, to me he clearly has more puck skills than pretty much any bottom 6 forward on the Flyers and certainly has an edge in skating compared to some guys on the Flyers. His defensive awareness seemed to be non-existent, but IMHO that is more correctable than not having skill

I think people are overstating Giroux's decline. He's having a rough year, but he's also having horrific luck. It reminds me of the year Ovechkin finished -35 and people thought he'd never be a good player again. Giroux's PDO is 95.2.
- PhillySportsGuy

Let's give him away for nothing!