This will sound crazy, but taking the team you're trading with aside, I think Del Zotto would actually be a good fit for you guys. He's been injured, but his all-around game has improved since his NYR days and he can move the puck well.
- jmatchett383

I mentioned DelZotto a couple weeks ago as well. Only problem is Philly is not going to do us any favours. Not sure how the old man is going to fix us. The d against Detroit was unacceptable. Realistically though what is out there? All the video game freaks on here pitching Shattenkirk and Barrie are not happening. Especially with the expansion draft.

Here's the problem ... Rejecting every player mentioned is unreasonable... there are only a few teams out there who are truly eliminated so the pool of available defensivemen is not ideal. Arizona, Carolina, Colorado, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Vancouver are the only teams that meet that condition. From that list, 20 other teams are looking for defensive depth so your options are going to be flawed and not ideal... take your pick... for what it's worth, I think we will acquire Beauchemin from Colorado.
- hipcheck_goalie

While I agree most will be flawed. I just feel most are looking to the wrong attributes when it comes to players. (Kulikov, Hunwick, Schenn, etc.) I'd much rather go after Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, or even Mark Streit. If those guys are not acquirable, I'm not really interested in making any move at all then. I'd prefer not to trade for bad players.

Calm down everyone. No need to jump off Fort Pitt Bridge. A lot not to like about that game. But keep in mind, it was 3rd game in less than 4 days (thanks, afternoon start) and the first two were emotional games against heavy teams. The Pens had nothing left in the tank for the Red Wings.

Maybe Sid needs some time off. He's really looked off in the last few games, struggling--by his standards--against some of the worst the NHL has to offer. He did show well against Winnipeg the other night, but like the others, may have been running on empty.

I am a bit concerned this team has a tendency to lay eggs against the worst of the NHL. Losses to COL, ARZ, DET (2), as well as both NASH and NYI when they were bad earlier in the year. Those points add up and could very well cost them home ice. Team just need to rest up, and play there best hockey in the last 2 weeks headed into the post season.
- Amanion

They need to cancel afternoon games altogether. They have been terrible in those games for forever. But if you're a fan of doom and gloom and for some reason don't get CNN just come here.

This will sound crazy, but taking the team you're trading with aside, I think Del Zotto would actually be a good fit for you guys. He's been injured, but his all-around game has improved since his NYR days and he can move the puck well.
- jmatchett383

He's pretty much another Trevor Daley. But worse. He does bring some offense but bleeds chances against, so I'd rather have him than Kulikov, Gudsbranson, Beachumein, or some other scrub, but I still think there are better options.

While I agree most will be flawed. I just feel most are looking to the wrong attributes when it comes to players. (Kulikov, Hunwick, Schenn, etc.) I'd much rather go after Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, or even Mark Streit. If those guys are not acquirable, I'm not really interested in making any move at all then. I'd prefer not to trade for bad players.
- j.boyd919

I agree that a puck moving defensivemen is better suited for us. Other than Del Zatto, Smith, and Beauchemin, they are not available. I think moving Pouliot or someone else's struggling Defensivemen is a thought too... Stars are not pleased with Johns and Nemeth and would love to see a swap.

The Pens from memory aren't a good afternoon team. Maybe they should go fishing next afternoon game??
- Aussiepenguin

They did for this game and they were the bait

He's pretty much another Trevor Daley. But worse. He does bring some offense but bleeds chances against, so I'd rather have him than Kulikov, Gudsbranson, Beachumein, or some other scrub, but I still think there are better options.
- j.boyd919

Az- Stone, Gologoski?
Carolina- Hainsey
Colorado- Beauchemin, EJ?, Tyutin
Buffalo- Franson, Kulikov, Grant
Dallas- Oduya, Hamhuis
Detroit- Smith, Green, Dekeyser
Phil- AMac, Del Zatto
Vancouver- Gudbranson, Sbisa
NJ- Lovejoy

It definitely isn't a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition of defensivemen. Now pick two...

Az- Stone, Gologoski?
Carolina- Hainsey
Colorado- Beauchemin, EJ?, Tyutin
Buffalo- Franson, Kulikov, Grant
Dallas- Oduya, Hamhuis
Detroit- Smith, Green, Dekeyser
Phil- AMac, Del Zatto
Vancouver- Gudbranson, Sbisa
NJ- Lovejoy

It definitely isn't a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition of defensivemen. Now pick two...
- hipcheck_goalie

If you're gonna include Mike Green, that's gonna be tough given term left and cap hit and expansion but Mike Green would be my obvious first choice. I'd love to have a top pairing defenseman on the Pens 2nd pair.

Mike Green and Brendan Smith

Brendan Smith and Dan Hamhuis

Brendan Smith and Cody Franson

Hamhuis and Franson? Probably my least favorite.

But Brendan Smith should be target no. 1. Cheap to acquire, a lesser offensive Justin Schultz but makes up for it being better defensively than Schultz. If there is still something to be done afterwords probably look to Franson or Hamhuis.

Gogo has way too much term left at a high cap hit over 5 mil to even entertian.

Az- Stone, Gologoski?
Carolina- Hainsey
Colorado- Beauchemin, EJ?, Tyutin
Buffalo- Franson, Kulikov, Grant
Dallas- Oduya, Hamhuis
Detroit- Smith, Green, Dekeyser
Phil- AMac, Del Zatto
Vancouver- Gudbranson, Sbisa
NJ- Lovejoy

It definitely isn't a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition of defensivemen. Now pick two...
- hipcheck_goalie

Amac? Yikes.

Amac? Yikes.
- madmike71

I think he was just listing players on bad teams who would be available, not necessarily real targets haha (or so I hope.)

5 Goal Murray? You do realize that last one was an empty netter. So Murray didnt allow that one, he was on the bench for it. Must be a Fleury lover.. . SMH
- Amanion

Nah. Just copying holeinone's thinking

I think he was just listing players on bad teams who would be available, not necessarily real targets haha (or so I hope.)
- j.boyd919

In that case, Nick Schultz would be available as well. He makes Rob Scuderi look good. Excels at getting hit with the puck, not much else.

While I agree most will be flawed. I just feel most are looking to the wrong attributes when it comes to players. (Kulikov, Hunwick, Schenn, etc.) I'd much rather go after Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, or even Mark Streit. If those guys are not acquirable, I'm not really interested in making any move at all then. I'd prefer not to trade for bad players.
- j.boyd919

I'd love to move out Streit. He's an absolute mess on the defensive side of the puck, and he handles the puck like a hand grenade in the defensive zone. But once you get into the offensive zone or give him a clean out, he still knows what to do with it.

Edit: "Leadership" or something. Low minutes and favorable starts/matchups are a must with him.

I'd love to move out Streit. He's an absolute mess on the defensive side of the puck, and he handles the puck like a hand grenade in the defensive zone. But once you get into the offensive zone or give him a clean out, he still knows what to do with it.

Edit: "Leadership" or something.
- jmatchett383

He also plays like over 20 minutes a night.. is he a guy that with some sheltered minutes on the 3rd pairing, and reduced quality of competiton (come playoff time at least) could still contribute? Similar to Schultz last season? Playing maybe 14-17 minutes a night instead of 20-24

I'd love to move out Streit. He's an absolute mess on the defensive side of the puck, and he handles the puck like a hand grenade in the defensive zone. But once you get into the offensive zone or give him a clean out, he still knows what to do with it.

Edit: "Leadership" or something. Low minutes and favorable starts/matchups are a must with him.
- jmatchett383

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I'd be interested in Luke Schenn...
- hipcheck_goalie

Why?

He also plays like over 20 minutes a night.. is he a guy that with some sheltered minutes on the 3rd pairing, and reduced quality of competiton (come playoff time at least) could still contribute? Similar to Schultz last season? Playing maybe 14-17 minutes a night instead of 20-24
- j.boyd919

With the exception of Provorov, every defenseman on the Flyers is misused out of necessity. Like I said, sheltered usage/deployment would work on a deeper team. But on the Flyers, who lack a solid #2/#3 defenseman, he doesn't work.

Edit: Yes, the bolded part that I added.

Why?
- Feds91Stammer

He's quite adept at punching people in the face and turning pucks over on corner dump retrievals.

Az- Stone, Gologoski?
Carolina- Hainsey
Colorado- Beauchemin, EJ?, Tyutin
Buffalo- Franson, Kulikov, Grant
Dallas- Oduya, Hamhuis
Detroit- Smith, Green, Dekeyser
Phil- AMac, Del Zatto
Vancouver- Gudbranson, Sbisa
NJ- Lovejoy

It definitely isn't a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition of defensivemen. Now pick two...
- hipcheck_goalie

You can have Dekeyser for free.

I actually think the pens and flyers could be perfect trade partners. They have a bunch of good young defensive prospects and we have a few young offensive players with potential. Del Zotto and one of their good D prospects for Sprong and a 3rd, or something along those lines. Unfortunately I don't see that ever happening

He's quite adept at punching people in the face and turning pucks over on corner dump retrievals.
- jmatchett383

Sounds like a recipe for success.

I actually think the pens and flyers could be perfect trade partners. They have a bunch of good young defensive prospects and we have a few young offensive players with potential. Del Zotto and one of their good D prospects for Sprong and a 3rd, or something along those lines. Unfortunately I don't see that ever happening
- drummer829

Why would you trade for a D prospect when you don't even play Pouliot?

You can have Dekeyser for free.
- Feds91Stammer

What's the value on Green? Retain 2 mil of his salary for Pouliot and a 2018 2nd is my first offer

What's the value on Green? Retain 2 mil of his salary for Pouliot and a 2018 2nd is my first offer
- drummer829

Gonna have to give up a first for Green.

Man I remember months ago trading Fleury for Evander Kane when Kane's value was at an all time low and you guys ripped me to shreds.

Douche bag or not, I'd much rather have a speedy, 20+ goal scoring, power forward than a back up goalie :-/

Especially after some of what you are saying Fleury is worth (i.e. we will bascially be giving him away)