Dumb question. Whats the rule with unsigned RFAs for the expansion draft? Can they be picked by Vegas since thier signing rights are movable? Or can they not be picked since they have no contract?
- Zac_O

The rule is that, prior to the ED, Las Vegas can sign any RFAs without offering compensation or giving the other team the option to match, basically treating them like UFAs. Also, they can be picked by LV if they are left unprotected.

Would second that
- nelson911

Would you make it a guaranteed 2nd that gets bumped to a 1st if he resigns?

At 2.5 mil and 24 years old, I would take him
- nelson911

For a 3rd pair D? That is a lot of money to be tied up in a bad player. Why does his age matter if he is bad?

The rule is that, prior to the ED, Las Vegas can sign any RFAs without offering compensation or giving the other team the option to match, basically treating them like UFAs. Also, they can be picked by LV if they are left unprotected.
- jmatchett383

So should the pens even bother protecting Dumo? This matters to me right now cuz that'll probably factor into how much they'd be willing to give for a defenseman at trade deadline.

Would you make it a guaranteed 2nd that gets bumped to a 1st if he resigns?
- jmatchett383

Yes.

Of course then that undoubtedly leads to the departure of Maata.

So should the pens even bother protecting Dumo? This matters to me right now cuz that'll probably factor into how much they'd be willing to give for a defenseman at trade deadline.
- Zac_O

Whether or not LV can sign him, the Penguins would still have to use a protection slot on him, or LV would pick him and they'd have his rights. Like any offer to a free agent, the player isn't required to accept it. Just because LV is allowed to sign him doesn't mean he'll agree.

If they trade for Shattenkirk and want to resign him, a handshake deal for after the ED would be the best bet.

For a 3rd pair D? That is a lot of money to be tied up in a bad player. Why does his age matter if he is bad?
- Feds91Stammer

He's a d-man and still has room to grow, Justin Schultz same idea, some players do not flourish on some but will on others, he has lots of good attributes, but not ones you can pay through the roof for. He could be on the 2nd or 3rd pairing depending on the D corps assembled next year.

Yes.

Of course then that undoubtedly leads to the departure of Maata.
- nelson911

How so?

The rule is that, prior to the ED, Las Vegas can sign any RFAs without offering compensation or giving the other team the option to match, basically treating them like UFAs. Also, they can be picked by LV if they are left unprotected.
- jmatchett383

They have a 48 hour negotiating period for unprotected RFA and UFA. If they sign a player it counts as the player selected from that team.

He's a d-man and still has room to grow, Justin Schultz same idea, some players do not flourish on some but will on others, he has lots of good attributes, but not ones you can pay through the roof for. He could be on the 2nd or 3rd pairing depending on the D corps assembled next year.
- nelson911

Whether or not LV can sign him, the Penguins would still have to use a protection slot on him, or LV would pick him and they'd have his rights. Like any offer to a free agent, the player isn't required to accept it. Just because LV is allowed to sign him doesn't mean he'll agree.

If they trade for Shattenkirk and want to resign him, a handshake deal for after the ED would be the best bet.
- jmatchett383

Best bet but no sure thing. Say shatty wants a deal now. Pens then are forced to protect letang maatta and shatty. So leaving Dumo possibly exposed could factor into this. All things I'm sure Rutherford has covered. But still worth considering.


Edit: this applies for more than just Shatty. The pens could trade for a d man with a few years left on his deal and need to protect him.

How so?
- jmatchett383

Shattenkirk resigned is prolly north of 5 million?

My guess is if you're gonna add a substantial d-man you're gonna subtract your weakest link and that is Maata at the moment. It's not impossible to fit him in if you subtract Hagelin or Hornqvist but would you want to do that.

He's a d-man and still has room to grow, Justin Schultz same idea, some players do not flourish on some but will on others, he has lots of good attributes, but not ones you can pay through the roof for. He could be on the 2nd or 3rd pairing depending on the D corps assembled next year.
- nelson911

Gonna have to disagree there, Gudbranson is trash. I'd rather have Kulikov than Gudbranson, and Kulikov sucks too.

Oh I agree on the trade value, but being a must protect is what I question (on either.. I tend to flip back and forth between who I prefer. I think Dumo is overrated and him and Maatta are close in talent. Actually I think Maatta is probably more talented TBH).
- j.boyd919

They both have trade value that is too high to lose in expansion draft. 1st round plus each.

Gonna have to disagree there, Gudbranson is trash. I'd rather have Kulikov than Gudbranson, and Kulikov sucks too.
- j.boyd919

That's cool, I'd take Gudbranson over Kulikov.... guess we disagree

Shattenkirk resigned is prolly north of 5 million?

My guess is if you're gonna add a substantial d-man you're gonna subtract your weakest link and that is Maata at the moment. It's not impossible to fit him in if you subtract Hagelin or Hornqvist but would you want to do that.
- nelson911

I'd say yandle money at a minimum and he's younger. Yandles was 7 years 44.5. 7 years 49 maybe on shat. Closest thing to a potential 1D UFA in a long time.

That's cool, I'd take Gudbranson over Kulikov.... guess we disagree
- nelson911

Honest question. What have you seen from Gudbranson that makes you like him?

Shattenkirk resigned is prolly north of 5 million?

My guess is if you're gonna add a substantial d-man you're gonna subtract your weakest link and that is Maata at the moment. It's not impossible to fit him in if you subtract Hagelin or Hornqvist but would you want to do that.
- nelson911

Well yes, assuming they resign him before the ED, I agree.

Best bet but no sure thing. Say shatty wants a deal now. Pens then are forced to protect letang maatta and shatty. So leaving Dumo possibly exposed could factor into this. All things I'm sure Rutherford has covered. But still worth considering.


Edit: this applies for more than just Shatty. The pens could trade for a d man with a few years left on his deal and need to protect him.
- Zac_O

Or the Pens let him walk. Now, if they sign for a player with term, they're in a pickle.
After the season, I think we'll see a handful of deals where teams with open slots trade for players that teams would have to expose. Penguins may do the same, even if they keep their current group and want to resign Schultz (Letang, Dumoulin, Maata, Schultz).

Honest question. What have you seen from Gudbranson that makes you like him?
- Feds91Stammer

Your mind is made up, I'm not gonna bother with the incessant back and forth.

He will stay on the Canucks for some time for a figure far more than he'll be worth.

Your mind is made up, I'm not gonna bother with the incessant back and forth.

He will stay on the Canucks for some time for a figure far more than he'll be worth.
- nelson911

What is the point of a discussion board if you are unwilling to share your opinion when asked politely?

That's cool, I'd take Gudbranson over Kulikov.... guess we disagree
- nelson911

I personally believe that Gudbranson wouldn't even be a well-known name if not for his draft position.

I personally believe that Gudbranson wouldn't even be a well-known name if not for his draft position.
- jmatchett383

100% this.

What is the point of a discussion board if you are unwilling to share your opinion when asked politely?
- Feds91Stammer

The point of these boards is to overreact on a daily basis to single comments

I personally believe that Gudbranson wouldn't even be a well-known name if not for his draft position.
- jmatchett383

I personally believe that US americans don't know Gudbranson because some people out there in our nation don't have TVs