I'd rather lose Sprong than Guetzky. I wouldn't lose one wink of sleep if they shipped off Sprong in a package for Barrie... Or even Duchene...or any good top 4 D, really.
- MattStrat

I think Barrie will cost more than Duchesne. Sprong could be a piece of a Barrie deal. but probably either a co-keystone with another player/pick or as not the keystone piece.

I'd probably do it. Rather give ya a 3rd tho...
- MattStrat

Where's that chart that shows how many fifths equal a second?

Edit: https://puckalytics.com/b...6/05/15/draft-pick-value/

So, assuming the Penguins win the Cup, their combined 5th+6th+7th round picks are worth more than their 2nd rounder.

Gudbranson resigned for 2.5 for 4 years, sure.

Oh wait he's one of those guys that wants 5 mil for leadership and hits

I just want to comment on something that RW said, and I've seen others say it too.

In general, you never want to sacrifice "the future" to win now. Whether it be top-end prospects, low round picks, young pros, etc, you do not want to move them season after season. The Flyers of the 90s/00s did this and the problem is that, if you don't win it all, you take a step back.

However, the Penguins have a strong and deep enough core that I think they could handle it. Also, as great as the Penguins have been year-in/year-out, they went 6 seasons between Cups with the same core. Granted, shaky goaltending and injuries can account for them. But for a team that has been in a "win now" mode for the better part of a decade, I do think that you have to go all-in at times.

It's like dealing with a UFA on a contender. On the one hand, you don't want to lose that player at the end of the year for nothing. On the other hand, losing that player for the playoffs doesn't give you the best chance to win.

What I'm getting as is that, if you truly feel that you are one of the top-3/4 teams with a chance to win, and you see a player that you think can put you over the top (be it an impact player or not), I think you have to bite the bullet and sacrifice part of the future. Winning a Cup requires a certain amount of health and luck, and it's not often that stars align for you to win. So if you see a player that you think can help you overcome some health or luck issues, at the cost of part of "the future" you have to try to win it in the now.

I'm not saying they should be actively shopping Guentzel, Sprong, and their 1sts. However, if there's a trade that the think will help them win now, this season, those pieces shouldn't be untouchable. While there's no guarantee that you will win this year if you do make the trade, there's also not guarantee that "the future" will help you win in years to come.

To sum up because tldr: While you shouldn't blindly throw assets around for rentals, short of Crosby and Malkin (and Letang and Murray), no one on the Penguins should be 100% untouchable because the Penguins window is now.
- jmatchett383

I don't see giving up assets for UFA as being similar to keeping a UFA already on the roster and letting him walk. I definitely think they should be open to trading them, just not for UFAs.

So after watching a ridiculous amount of injuries hit the Penguins in several of the last few years, here we go again. At what point is it time for a team like the Crapitals to experience 500 man games lost to injury in a 2 week span?

Do we really want to protect the often injured Maatta? Or even the regressed Dumo? Those 2 are a toss up to me.
- j.boyd919

Both have high trade value. Most average mid-pairing guys look bad at times. Dumo is perfectly fine and a must protect. Maatta I have some doubts on but his trade value is worth a protection spot.

Resigned for 2.5 for 4 years, sure.

Oh wait he's one of those guys that wants 5 mil for leadership and hits


- nelson911

Who?

I just want to comment on something that RW said, and I've seen others say it too.

In general, you never want to sacrifice "the future" to win now. Whether it be top-end prospects, low round picks, young pros, etc, you do not want to move them season after season. The Flyers of the 90s/00s did this and the problem is that, if you don't win it all, you take a step back.

However, the Penguins have a strong and deep enough core that I think they could handle it. Also, as great as the Penguins have been year-in/year-out, they went 6 seasons between Cups with the same core. Granted, shaky goaltending and injuries can account for them. But for a team that has been in a "win now" mode for the better part of a decade, I do think that you have to go all-in at times.

It's like dealing with a UFA on a contender. On the one hand, you don't want to lose that player at the end of the year for nothing. On the other hand, losing that player for the playoffs doesn't give you the best chance to win.

What I'm getting as is that, if you truly feel that you are one of the top-3/4 teams with a chance to win, and you see a player that you think can put you over the top (be it an impact player or not), I think you have to bite the bullet and sacrifice part of the future. Winning a Cup requires a certain amount of health and luck, and it's not often that stars align for you to win. So if you see a player that you think can help you overcome some health or luck issues, at the cost of part of "the future" you have to try to win it in the now.

I'm not saying they should be actively shopping Guentzel, Sprong, and their 1sts. However, if there's a trade that the think will help them win now, this season, those pieces shouldn't be untouchable. While there's no guarantee that you will win this year if you do make the trade, there's also not guarantee that "the future" will help you win in years to come.

To sum up because tldr: While you shouldn't blindly throw assets around for rentals, short of Crosby and Malkin (and Letang and Murray), no one on the Penguins should be 100% untouchable because the Penguins window is now.
- jmatchett383

No one believes in the notion "of over the top" anymore. Its better to be in the mix as a top contender every year than push too hard in any given year. Its all probabilistic. Injuries or one round of bad PDO means its better to be a 3/4 team as long as possible rather than the top dog.

Both have high trade value. Most average mid-pairing guys look bad at times. Dumo is perfectly fine and a must protect. Maatta I have some doubts on but his trade value is worth a protection spot.
- sditulli

Oh I agree on the trade value, but being a must protect is what I question (on either.. I tend to flip back and forth between who I prefer. I think Dumo is overrated and him and Maatta are close in talent. Actually I think Maatta is probably more talented TBH).

I'd probably do it. Rather give ya a 3rd tho...
- MattStrat

I'd take a 3rd but I would want a 2nd.

Who?
- j.boyd919

hmmm weird, quotes didnt work, Gudbranson

hmmm weird, quotes didnt work, Gudbranson
- nelson911

Oooh, you gotta hit reply at the top of the board, then go back in your browser and quotes should work.

hmmm weird, quotes didnt work, Gudbranson
- nelson911

Bad contract. He sucks.

Shattenkirk
For
Sprong & 1st

Bad contract. He sucks.
- Feds91Stammer

You know something.... you suck

You know something.... you suck
- nelson911

Wait you actually like Guddy?

Where's that chart that shows how many fifths equal a second?

Edit: https://puckalytics.com/b...6/05/15/draft-pick-value/

So, assuming the Penguins win the Cup, their combined 5th+6th+7th round picks are worth more than their 2nd rounder.
- jmatchett383

Matchett using charts and graphs to back up an idea, conversation or prove a point...what is this world coming to...

Shattenkirk
For
Sprong & 1st
- usmcaaron

Fleury+Fehr+Sprong+1st for Tarasenko

Wait you actually like Guddy?
- Feds91Stammer

That was my best Billy Madison quote

Dumb question. Whats the rule with unsigned RFAs for the expansion draft? Can they be picked by Vegas since thier signing rights are movable? Or can they not be picked since they have no contract?

Shattenkirk
For
Sprong & 1st
- usmcaaron

If sprong is part of the deal then it'd have to be a conditional 1st based on if he resigns.

Wait you actually like Guddy?
- Feds91Stammer

At 2.5 mil and 24 years old, I would take him

Pouliot+Fleury+Fehr+Sprong+1st for Tarasenko+Parayko
- j.boyd919

fixed

Matchett using charts and graphs to back up an idea, conversation or prove a point...what is this world coming to...
- MattStrat

Don't worry, I'm pointing out the fallacy of the chart. The teeth gnashing has not subsided.

If sprong is part of the deal then it'd have to be a conditional 1st based on if he resigns.
- drummer829

Would second that