also, subban, weber, maybe shattenkirk (assuming he was probably available), lindholm, vatanen, fowler, trouba, etc, etc
- sensarmy_11

If Chia had traded Hall for a single year of Shattenkirk I would have completely lost my poop.

Lindholm I'd have been cool with, Vatanen not so much. Fowler is a lefty and Trouba had a lot of question marks at the time.

Subban went for Weber. Would either have been available for Hall? In Subban's case it was reported that the answer was no. Also I'd just as soon not be saddled with a contract like Weber's.

should have added something then......my point was there were other deals to be made I'm sure. the hall for Larsson deal reeked of desperation..........same as the seguin deal and the Hamilton deal. chiarelli strikes me as a GM who has zero patience
- sensarmy_11

Your point is pure speculation. Nobody knows for certain except for the GM's themselves.

Concerned yes. Proof that this is all we should expect from him for the rest of his career? No.
- freelancer

Yes.

Bust.

If Chia had traded Hall for a single year of Shattenkirk I would have completely lost my poop.

Lindholm I'd have been cool with, Vatanen not so much. Fowler is a lefty and Trouba had a lot of question marks at the time.

Subban went for Weber. Would either have been available for Hall? In Subban's case it was reported that the answer was no. Also I'd just as soon not be saddled with a contract like Weber's.
- Wildschwein

Your point is pure speculation. Nobody knows for certain except for the GM's themselves.
- Wildschwein

it's speculation based on historical evidence......the guy has a history of making monumentally stupid trades

well seth jones (who's far better than Larsson) was acquired for a forward who isn't as good as hall............there were deals out there had chiarelli not waited. Edmonton needed D, no doubt, but they didn't need it that second. they've improved but they aren't a cup contender right now......there's lots of guys who are available right now who are better than Larsson.

I maintain it was a bad trade by a bad gm who's basically done nothing but make bad trades the last 4-5 years.
- sensarmy_11

My understanding of this trade was Chia had offered Nuge for Seth Jones but they chose Johansen instead, which doesn't surprise me as Johansen is a better player than Nuge. Nashville needed a centre, Hall wouldn't have been in the conversation.

If Chia had traded Hall for a single year of Shattenkirk I would have completely lost my poop.

Lindholm I'd have been cool with, Vatanen not so much. Fowler is a lefty and Trouba had a lot of question marks at the time.

Subban went for Weber. Would either have been available for Hall? In Subban's case it was reported that the answer was no. Also I'd just as soon not be saddled with a contract like Weber's.
- Wildschwein

not suggesting it would have been hall for shattenkirk...........probably wouldn't have cost nearly that much. my point was there were probably lots of dmen available, most of which were better than Larsson, who probably wouldn't have cost as much.

What other better Dmen you think was out there? Besides Hamonic.
- poisondhearts37

You're offering up Taylor Hall? That should get you just about any defenseman in the NHL except maybe the top four or five.

You're offering up Taylor Hall? That should get you just about any defenseman in the NHL except maybe the top four or five.
- James_Tanner

Sure. But when a team desperately needs a defenseman. Theyre going to overpay for it. Esp if other teams are playing hardball. But again. What other teams were willing to just give away theyre top defenseman for a forward? Every example seems to make sense why it didnt happen. Weber was swapped for Subban. Jones for JoHo since Nashville wanted a Center and coveted JoHo over Nuge. Shatty is basically a rental. Trouba is similar to Larsson. I think EDM would rather have Larsson over Hamonic honestly. Due to his ability to drive a play.

Sure. But when a team desperately needs a defenseman. Theyre going to overpay for it. Esp if other teams are playing hardball. But again. What other teams were willing to just give away theyre top defenseman for a forward? Every example seems to make sense why it didnt happen. Weber was swapped for Subban. Jones for JoHo since Nashville wanted a Center and coveted JoHo over Nuge. Shatty is basically a rental. Trouba is similar to Larsson. I think EDM would rather have Larsson over Hamonic honestly. Due to his ability to drive a play.
- poisondhearts37

I think that's the thing.....they needed a d-man, but there wasn't really a need to be desperate. Edmonton has improved but they aren't cup contenders yet. chiarelli could have waited for a better deal, instead he made one of the worst trades (value wise) the NHL has seen in years.

I'm not too worried about his production as I dont think that's exactly why they brought in Lucic in the first place. I feel like they brought him in for intimidation and any points he does chip in is a bonus. What I am worried about is he hasn't even done that so far. Everytime someone crosses the "McDavid line" it has been Maroon stepping up to the plate. Last night was a perfect example of that with the Maaning fight. That is what I'm bothered by.

Also Maroon has been such a beauty, love watching that guy.

Do the Oilers have the option to not protect him for the Vegas expansion?

Do the Oilers have the option to not protect him for the Vegas expansion?
- NewfieStud

He's got a NMC which requires the Oilers to protect him.

I think that's the thing.....they needed a d-man, but there wasn't really a need to be desperate. Edmonton has improved but they aren't cup contenders yet. chiarelli could have waited for a better deal, instead he made one of the worst trades (value wise) the NHL has seen in years.
- sensarmy_11

Hell yes there was. 10 years of a poop product was having significant effect on the fan base. Jerseys being thrown on the ice was probably the most public example. I personally know multiple fans who stopped watching and following the team, and some of them still haven't come back. A guy I know sold me his official NHL Eberle jersey for $25 for (frank) sakes. The fan base had had enough.
Then there was the political pressure of the new arena. All those tax dollars spent to house a consistently poopty product? Media would have ripped ownership and the city a new bumhole in no time flat.

Hell yes there was. 10 years of a poop product was having significant effect on the fan base. Jerseys being thrown on the ice was probably the most public example. I personally know multiple fans who stopped watching and following the team, and some of them still haven't come back. A guy I know sold me his official NHL Eberle jersey for $25 for (frank) sakes. The fan base had had enough.
Then there was the political pressure of the new arena. All those tax dollars spent to house a consistently poopty product? Media would have ripped ownership and the city a new bumhole in no time flat.
- Wildschwein

jesus, they had been waiting 10 years, so what's another few months. there was no need to trade your 2nd best player (and probably one of the best wingers in the NHL) for a dman who was regularly a healthy scratch and at best a 2nd pairing guy on almost any team in the NHL...including the oilers.

Alex Goligoski was traded to Phoenix for a 5th round pick... Probably would have been a good thing to attempt.

The Panthers got Yandle's rights for a 6th and a conditional 4th (and then paid him too much money, yes)

Panthers and Sabres swapped Kulikov and Pysyk...

Scott Harrington traded to the Blue Jackets for Kerby Rychel.

Not saying they're all better than Larsson, but they likely would have been better value and wouldn't have cost you one of the top wingers in the game.
- BINGO!

This is absurd. Goligoski I'll concede might've been capable of doing something close to what Larsson is doing, but he's a LHD (of which we have all too many), there's ZERO guarantee he'd have signed in Edmonton and he's not not eactly lighting up any facet of the game on Arizona.

We're discussing garbage UFA contracts and you bring up Yandle? Funny.

Kulikov for Pysyk? Who would we have moved for either and are either of them upgrades on what we had at the time? Pysyk is a decent step below version of Petry so not really. Kulikov is mediocrity personified.

Harrington doesn't even crack the D corps.

jesus, they had been waiting 10 years, so what's another few months. there was no need to trade your 2nd best player (and probably one of the best wingers in the NHL) for a dman who was regularly a healthy scratch and at best a 2nd pairing guy on almost any team in the NHL...including the oilers.
- sensarmy_11

Firstly Larsson hasn't been scratched in something 2 years now. Hardly a regular occurrence.

Secondly opinions on Larsson vary, that is to be expected and as such I don't really see any point in getting into a pissing match about it. I think he is better than you give him credit for, and you think I overrate him. We are just gonna have to agree to disagree.

not suggesting it would have been hall for shattenkirk...........probably wouldn't have cost nearly that much. my point was there were probably lots of dmen available, most of which were better than Larsson, who probably wouldn't have cost as much.
- sensarmy_11

I don't see which ones.

Hamonic? They seemed to stop shopping him and the cost was just as high.

Jones? Got traded for a better piece than we had access to (NSH needed a C, so Hall wouldn't cut it).

Subban and Weber were traded for one another. Considering the rumored ask for Subban of Draisaitl, Nurse/Klefbom and the 4th overall, I'm not surprised that they didn't get far in negotiations.

Shattenkirk for one year? A bigger waste of value in EVERY conceivable way.

Lindholm, Fowler or Vatanen after Murray spent pretty much the entire summer talking about how he wasn't gonna give up his Dmen for anything but an overpayment? And let's not pretend everyone wasn't ragging on Fowler about his poor possession numbers all summer.

The ask for Trouba was an equivalent LHD. The only one we have of that is Klefbom and that would've been an entirely lateral move (if not a loss on our part). I spent most of the offseason suggesting Nurse and a 1st for Trouba so I'd loved for that to occur.

I think that's the thing.....they needed a d-man, but there wasn't really a need to be desperate. Edmonton has improved but they aren't cup contenders yet. chiarelli could have waited for a better deal, instead he made one of the worst trades (value wise) the NHL has seen in years.
- sensarmy_11

(frank) yourself. Come back to me when your team has been deplorably bad for 7 years and out of the playoffs for 10. Then we'll see who "shouldn't be desperate". He had already waited a full year; I'm of the camp that'll trust that he did the research and knew the market better than anyone not employed as a GM.

I don't see which ones.

Hamonic? They seemed to stop shopping him and the cost was just as high.

Jones? Got traded for a better piece than we had access to (NSH needed a C, so Hall wouldn't cut it).

Subban and Weber were traded for one another. Considering the rumored ask for Subban of Draisaitl, Nurse/Klefbom and the 4th overall, I'm not surprised that they didn't get far in negotiations.

Shattenkirk for one year? A bigger waste of value in EVERY conceivable way.

Lindholm, Fowler or Vatanen after Murray spent pretty much the entire summer talking about how he wasn't gonna give up his Dmen for anything but an overpayment? And let's not pretend everyone wasn't ragging on Fowler about his poor possession numbers all summer.

The ask for Trouba was an equivalent LHD. The only one we have of that is Klefbom and that would've been an entirely lateral move (if not a loss on our part). I spent most of the offseason suggesting Nurse and a 1st for Trouba so I'd loved for that to occur.


(frank) yourself. Come back to me when your team has been deplorably bad for 7 years and out of the playoffs for 10. Then we'll see who "shouldn't be desperate". He had already waited a full year; I'm of the camp that'll trust that he did the research and knew the market better than anyone not employed as a GM.
- MaximumBone

fair enough.....I'm of the camp that knows chiarelli has been bent over a barrel in trades more times than any GM outside of mike milbury and I guess I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

jesus, they had been waiting 10 years, so what's another few months. there was no need to trade your 2nd best player (and probably one of the best wingers in the NHL) for a dman who was regularly a healthy scratch and at best a 2nd pairing guy on almost any team in the NHL...including the oilers.
- sensarmy_11

fair enough.....I'm of the camp that knows chiarelli has been bent over a barrel in trades more times than any GM outside of mike milbury and I guess I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
- sensarmy_11

And I'm of the camp that has seen him turn a D with two effective NHL defensemen into one with 7 or 8 in a matter of a year.

- MaximumBone

4 of his 5 years in jersey he was a regular healthy scratch and spent lots of time in the AHL.......hardly what you'd expect from a cornerstone top pairing d-man who you'd trade taylor hall for.

And I'm of the camp that has seen him turn a D with two effective NHL defensemen into one with 7 or 8 in a matter of a year.
- MaximumBone

I'm glad you're happy with him.............doesn't change the fact that it was a horrible trade in terms of value.

And I'm of the camp that has seen him turn a D with two effective NHL defensemen into one with 7 or 8 in a matter of a year.
- MaximumBone

Besides Russell who else has this genius added that wasn't there or in the system?

Wow, just wow.

Sure. Everyone should be concerned with Lucic's point production but no one should be really concerned about his overall play over his contract.

He is a vet with a solid history and typically solid positioning. Few injuries to date. An intimidating massive presence. An amazing net front presence for which he does not get points for but is a much needed role.

He is second on the team in hits and third in PP points (1 behind McDavid).

If he continues to produce offensively the way he has obviously there are concerns, especially for his salary, but the team is winning and he is most certainly a part of its success.

You have guys like Nuge, Poo, Eberle, and Lucic all vastly underperforming. Its going to take awhile for everyone to find their groove/role but as long as the team is wining I don't think you get your panties in a bunch.