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sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 1:53 PM ET
I just always thought you did what you had to do to win games..cause that's the point of playing the game, is to win.
- njdevs29


sure.....doesn't mean that fans can't find it boring though.
Relentless
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.19.2012

Feb 17 @ 2:14 PM ET
Pierre Lebrun gave an interesting example of why the suitors for a guy like Duchene might be more limited than you think. If a team trades for him they not only give up current players, picks whatever but you also got to assume they are gonna want to protect him in the expansion ( 7 forwards) that opens up that team to losing another player that was supposed to be protected. That has got to be factored into the equation. We don't really have that issue. Therefore a package of picks and players might get it done.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 17 @ 2:19 PM ET
Pierre Lebrun gave an interesting example of why the suitors for a guy like Duchene might be more limited than you think. If a team trades for him they not only give up current players, picks whatever but you also got to assume they are gonna want to protect him in the expansion ( 7 forwards) that opens up that team to losing another player that was supposed to be protected. That has got to be factored into the equation. We don't really have that issue. Therefore a package of picks and players might get it done.
- Relentless

Eh I wouldn't hold your breath
ElvisLemieux
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
Trouba would be the guy I target, but he would cost too much for this team to give up.
- Devils9503


Kinkaid?
njdevs29
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 02.16.2016

Feb 17 @ 2:28 PM ET
sure.....doesn't mean that fans can't find it boring though.
- sensarmy_11

only boring when its not their team
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
only boring when its not their team
- njdevs29


that's exactly what I said in my next post
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 17 @ 2:32 PM ET
that's exactly what I said in my next post
- sensarmy_11

It's a circular argument with both sides making the same point
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
It's a circular argument with both sides making the same point
- willschulme


So, can we move onto something more interesting then?

I'd like the Sens fan to explain to me why the Senators aren't an Original 6 team even though they were one of the original 4 teams when the NHL was formed. As I heard it they even got a letter or reinstatement from the league...
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 17 @ 2:50 PM ET
So, can we move onto something more interesting then?

I'd like the Sens fan to explain to me why the Senators aren't an Original 6 team even though they were one of the original 4 teams when the NHL was formed. As I heard it they even got a letter or reinstatement from the league...

- Queenie_5_hole

Research says that teams that made it through the Great Depression and WWII were then considered original six. The Sens, along with the Millionaires, Maroons, Wanderers, Bulldogs and the Arenas all folded before the term was coined.

The timing was also key for when it was coined because it recognized 3 American teams where all of the true originals were Canadian.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
Research says that teams that made it through the Great Depression and WWII were then considered original six. The Sens, along with the Millionaires, Maroons, Wanderers, Bulldogs and the Arenas all folded before the term was coined.
- willschulme

An interesting tidbit there is the Montreal Wanderers existed for 6 games in the first NHL season before their arena burned down
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 17 @ 3:15 PM ET
Research says that teams that made it through the Great Depression and WWII were then considered original six. The Sens, along with the Millionaires, Maroons, Wanderers, Bulldogs and the Arenas all folded before the term was coined.

The timing was also key for when it was coined because it recognized 3 American teams where all of the true originals were Canadian.

- willschulme


The Toronto Arenas didn't fold. They became the St. Patricks which became the Maple Leafs. But most of the Original Six (except the Canadiens and first Senators) are in fact expansion teams. The NY Americans would have made it through WWII if the NHL didn't refuse to reinstate their franchise - most likely because the NY Rangers had influenced them....

The problem really is the NHL apparently doesn't know what the word 'Original' means.

This is a bit like Donald Trumps stance on immigration because his family were immigrants (like almost all of us) and his wife is a recent immigrant.... Technically the only job she stole was getting screwed by the Donald although I think we all might now.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 17 @ 3:27 PM ET
Kalinin on waivers! Guess this opens up more playing time for Blender. Unfortunate, because I liked Zubrus 2.0. Big body forward that's strong on the puck.
- NaNa04


The problem is even Dainius would be embarrassed by Kalinin's numbers. I liked the guy too but at some point you need to produce... unless your Jacob Josefson.

Maybe they should put JJ on the 4th even if he doesn't play like a 4th line center....
Relentless
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.19.2012

Feb 17 @ 3:43 PM ET
I'm too bummed to worry about JJ. George "the Animal" Steele died.
Nobody ate a turnbuckle like "The Animal".
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Feb 17 @ 4:04 PM ET
Lol, again, if Shero knew then what he knows now then perhaps things would have gone differently.
- jersey1414


IF. The biggest 2 letter word in the alphabet. "IF" my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Feb 17 @ 4:11 PM ET
The Toronto Arenas didn't fold. They became the St. Patricks which became the Maple Leafs. But most of the Original Six (except the Canadiens and first Senators) are in fact expansion teams. The NY Americans would have made it through WWII if the NHL didn't refuse to reinstate their franchise - most likely because the NY Rangers had influenced them....

The problem really is the NHL apparently doesn't know what the word 'Original' means.

This is a bit like Donald Trumps stance on immigration because his family were immigrants (like almost all of us) and his wife is a recent immigrant.... Technically the only job she stole was getting screwed by the Donald although I think we all might now.

- Queenie_5_hole


Blah, blah, blah - Original 6 means nothing to me. Just that those teams have been in the league longer. There are 30 teams in the NHL (soon to be 31) and they're all equal in my book. (except the Rags)
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Feb 17 @ 4:17 PM ET
The problem is even Dainius would be embarrassed by Kalinin's numbers. I liked the guy too but at some point you need to produce... unless your Jacob Josefson.

Maybe they should put JJ on the 4th even if he doesn't play like a 4th line center....

- Queenie_5_hole


Biggest difference is that Zubrus was grossly overpaid for never producing anything. Kalinin was still a low cap hit.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 17 @ 4:25 PM ET
I'm too bummed to worry about JJ. George "the Animal" Steele died.
Nobody ate a turnbuckle like "The Animal".

- Relentless


Did anyone else eat turnbuckle?

RIP George.
ElvisLemieux
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 17 @ 4:48 PM ET
So, can we move onto something more interesting then?

I'd like the Sens fan to explain to me why the Senators aren't an Original 6 team even though they were one of the original 4 teams when the NHL was formed. As I heard it they even got a letter or reinstatement from the league...

- Queenie_5_hole


The term for the "Original Six" wasn't used at all until the 1967 expansion to 12 teams. Thus the older teams we dubbed the "Original Six" even though only Toronto and Montreal had teams at the inception of the league.
Devils9503
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 6:12 PM ET
Kinkaid?
- ElvisLemieux


SJ needs a backup. Need to start preparing for the expansion draft. Get something or possibly lose him anyway.
Devils9503
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 6:17 PM ET
Lol, again, if Shero knew then what he knows now then perhaps things would have gone differently.
- jersey1414


That same year(14-15) Lucic had 18 goals and 44 points and was traded for a 1st, prospect(Miller), and a player(Jones). Jones was then traded for a 1st. So, Boston got 2 1sts and a prospect/player(Miller now plays on their team) for a 44 point player.

Cam had 27 goals, 42 points, was 33, and didn't have a full season since 08-09. The writing was on the wall.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 17 @ 6:21 PM ET
The term for the "Original Six" wasn't used at all until the 1967 expansion to 12 teams. Thus the older teams we dubbed the "Original Six" even though only Toronto and Montreal had teams at the inception of the league.
- ElvisLemieux


Right, but if your not Toronto, Montreal and maybe Ottawa your franchise was an expansion team also. Just a pre-1967 expansion team. The NHL considered the teams added in the game 1920's league expansion. And expanding into the USA was a big deal.

If the NHL expanded into Russia and doubled in size would we be the Original 30?
31?



shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Feb 17 @ 9:05 PM ET
Let's say Fowler for example, Anaheim may lose an important forward already, let alone take on a 34 year old at the expansion draft. And I don't see a lot of teams that are as deep as Anaheim on D. Trouba would be the guy I target, but he would cost too much for this team to give up.
- Devils9503

Anaheim is looking to lose salary not add it
Devils9503
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 10:30 PM ET
Anaheim is looking to lose salary not add it
- shvingter88


If we ate cap, it would work.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Feb 18 @ 5:55 AM ET
If we ate cap, it would work.
- Devils9503

If shero could pull it off we'd be good in the expansion draft too, because we would only protect Greene, severson and fowler. Won't happen though.
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