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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 18 @ 9:32 AM ET
That should be the 2016-2017 motto for the entire Blue Jackets team
- Mononoke


I don't know. That young defense is legit good. A very good goaltender. Forwards that have size and can skate. I don't know their underlying numbers but whenever I watch them they are never short on high quality chances and it's easy to see how they generate them.

This years flyers proves that hak is pretty much right. Throw Corsi out the window
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:35 AM ET
I don't know. That young defense is legit good. A very good goaltender. Forwards that have size and can skate. I don't know their underlying numbers but whenever I watch them they are never short on high quality chances and it's easy to see how they generate them.

This years flyers proves that hak is pretty much right. Throw Corsi out the window

- Just5


Detail is always more important than raw data. Flyers generate a solid number of shots, but not enough quality shots. They also don't have enough finishers. Defensively, they do a solid job of limiting shots, but when you allow the number of quality chances they do, that doesn't matter.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 18 @ 9:37 AM ET
Detail is always more important than raw data. Flyers generate a solid number of shots, but not enough quality shots. They also don't have enough finishers. Defensively, they do a solid job of limiting shots, but when you allow the number of quality chances they do, that doesn't matter.
- MJL


Never discount an eye test.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 18 @ 9:42 AM ET
Detail is always more important than raw data. Flyers generate a solid number of shots, but not enough quality shots. They also don't have enough finishers. Defensively, they do a solid job of limiting shots, but when you allow the number of quality chances they do, that doesn't matter.
- MJL


Yup. They have to lead the league in unscreened shots from 35+ feet out, and they seem to give up at least 5 slam dunk chances against every game. This is why I don't pay much attention to overall shot numbers. It's the quality of the shots that really matter at the NHL level.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 18 @ 9:49 AM ET
Yup. They have to lead the league in unscreened shots from 35+ feet out, and they seem to give up at least 5 slam dunk chances against every game. This is why I don't pay much attention to overall shot numbers. It's the quality of the shots that really matter at the NHL level.
- BiggE


Speaking of. Phantoms had 25 shots last night in the 3rd trying to come back
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:50 AM ET
Speaking of. Phantoms had 25 shots last night in the 3rd trying to come back
- Just5


Score effects.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 10:14 AM ET
We are the voice of reason !!

Come on Ron... Can't you see that

- 3flyerkids


I would really start to worry if Hextall started pulling off all the moves I suggest.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 18 @ 10:28 AM ET
Everything is literally terrible
flyers845
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 18 @ 10:57 AM ET
I haven't logged onto this site or posted in a long time. Bill keep up the great work as usual. You should take over for that dope Sam.

I can't even stomach this years team anymore. I understand that they're somewhat rebuilding by my god this is hard to watch.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 18 @ 11:01 AM ET
Everything is literally terrible
- Giroux_Is_God

This is litrilly true
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 18 @ 11:05 AM ET
Everything is literally terrible
- Giroux_Is_God

not this weather
MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Feb 18 @ 11:05 AM ET
I haven't logged onto this site or posted in a long time. Bill keep up the great work as usual. You should take over for that dope Sam.

I can't even stomach this years team anymore. I understand that they're somewhat rebuilding by my god this is hard to watch.

- flyers845


Doesn't even feel like a rebuild though.

During a rebuild you get to see the young players getting their feet wet and learning to play in the NHL at a young age, whether ready or not.

No Laughton? No Morin? Just Konecny and Provs?

I dunno. This doesn't feel like a rebuild. It feels like an excuse so we don't focus on the garbage product.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Feb 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
Everything is literally terrible
- Giroux_Is_God

No game today
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
That Dubinsky game winner in OT last night was as smooth a move as you will see..
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 11:39 AM ET
Doesn't even feel like a rebuild though.

During a rebuild you get to see the young players getting their feet wet and learning to play in the NHL at a young age, whether ready or not.

No Laughton? No Morin? Just Konecny and Provs?

I dunno. This doesn't feel like a rebuild. It feels like an excuse so we don't focus on the garbage product.

- MikesPillBottle


So we're not seeing any young players getting their feet wet? This is not a classic rebuild. The Flyers are trying, and I emphasize trying to compete while building their future through the draft.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:42 AM ET
Doesn't seem like Montreal wants to commit longterm to Galchenyuk. Would anybody trade Couturier for him. Galchenyuk's caphit would be higher by a few million but could be the 2nd line offensive center Philly needs.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
I'm watching jackets/pens and I'm seeing big and fast skaters or smaller skaters that are fast with skill. Teams with players that look to get to the net, and these players aren't swarmed upon immediately because they have a fear of the other team's breakaway ability.

The flyers don't have the horses to compete with them...plain and simple imo

- Just5


enjoy the limitless rebuild
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Feb 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
So we're not seeing any young players getting their feet wet? This is not a classic rebuild. The Flyers are trying, and I emphasize trying to compete while building their future through the draft.
- MJL

does not seem to be working very well
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
So we're not seeing any young players getting their feet wet? This is not a classic rebuild. The Flyers are trying, and I emphasize trying to compete while building their future through the draft.
- MJL


I long for the days when they did

a combination of drafting, smart signings, and shrewd trades.

Instead of:

nothing
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
Doesn't seem like Montreal wants to commit longterm to Galchenyuk. Would anybody trade Couturier for him. Galchenyuk's caphit would be higher by a few million but could be the 2nd line offensive center Philly needs.
- psuhockey


He's a pretty good young player. How about offering Schenn? Don't think that would do it. Not sure that Couturier would either. I do have doubts that Montreal will trade him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
I long for the days when they did

a combination of drafting, smart signings, and shrewd trades.

Instead of:

nothing

- puckhead17


If you're insinuating that they're doing nothing, I would disagree.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
If you're insinuating that they're doing nothing, I would disagree.
- MJL


Naturally you do
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
I long for the days when they did

a combination of drafting, smart signings, and shrewd trades.

Instead of:

nothing

- puckhead17



Not sure how you can list drafting as a part of that combination and then say the Flyers are doing nothing when they have done a great job drafting over the past few seasons.

Not gonna disagree with the other 2 but I have no issues with how they have drafted over the past 4 years or so.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 18 @ 1:17 PM ET
Doesn't even feel like a rebuild though.

During a rebuild you get to see the young players getting their feet wet and learning to play in the NHL at a young age, whether ready or not.

No Laughton? No Morin? Just Konecny and Provs?

I dunno. This doesn't feel like a rebuild. It feels like an excuse so we don't focus on the garbage product.

- MikesPillBottle


We have pieces to trade without a full blown rebuild. Mark Streit. Michael Del Zotto. Anyone within the bottom six at the forward position, although I've enjoyed watching Bellemare pick up his within the last two months.

An interesting question for me is what to do with Scott Laughton. We drafted him just short of five years ago. I personally would trade him for another project at strong position of need like LW.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 1:18 PM ET
We have pieces to trade without a full blown rebuild. Mark Streit. Michael Del Zotto. Anyone within the bottom six at the forward position, although I've enjoyed watching Bellemare pick up his within the last two months.

An interesting question for me is what to do with Scott Laughton. We drafted him just short of five years ago. I personally would trade him for another project at strong position of need like LW.

- SuperSchennBros


The Flyers are getting very little back for MDZ and Streit in my eyes. Or any of the bottom 6 for that matter.

poop is poop.
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