Is that official from anywhere? It would seem kind of silly to allow NMCs to be waived for expansion draft purposes.
- JFlyers00

yeah, it is both official and silly

im referring to pre-NHL/prospect type guys that might be available via trade

side note: I dont think Pulock will be available
- YuenglingJagr

Oh, sorry.

I think he may be available if NYI chooses the 7/3/1 method.

They have to protect Boychuk, and that leaves 2 slots for Leddy, Hamonic, Pulock, and whoever else. I'd try to poach Pulock. If Simmonds and Schenn are in play, worth a shot.

yeah, it is both official and silly
- YuenglingJagr

Yeah I found it. Should have googled first lol.

* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).
- NHL.com

https://www.nhl.com/news/...n-draft-rules/c-281010592

DUDE!!!

DUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!

where have you been?
- ggunky

..lurking....

Oh, sorry.

I think he may be available if NYI chooses the 7/3/1 method.

They have to protect Boychuk, and that leaves 2 slots for Leddy, Hamonic, Pulock, and whoever else. I'd try to poach Pulock. If Simmonds and Schenn are in play, worth a shot.
- jmatchett383

What has pulock done to warrant both players, especially Simmonds.

edit: and with most likely haag, sanheim, and morin/myers taking roster spots with ghost and provy ? Poluck isn't needed

I get that but Read is not on Vegas' radar. You can take that to the bank.
- Streit2ThePoint

agRead

I have actually been waiting for your arrival. I wanna hear your thoughts on let's say 5 players who you would want the Flyers to realistically target in a trade. (based on earlier discussions this season about finding a star center)

Don't worry about what we are giving up, but we can assume Schenn and Simmonds are on the table and avoid D prospects. I trust that you won't say anything ridiculous.

I have my own list that I am willing to share if I like your answers. Go

edit: please
- YuenglingJagr

I really don't have any targeted players. Earlier there were some 25-30 points 3C types I wanted sniffed out, but it's beginning to look like that's a bit pointless to give up assets for.

Give me your names, and I'll tell you my opinions.

What has pulock done this warrant both players, especially Simmonds.
- jmdodgeser4

I wouldn't trade both of them for him. Just saying that it's a player I'd have interest in if those 2 are in play.

Oh, sorry.

I think he may be available if NYI chooses the 7/3/1 method.

They have to protect Boychuk, and that leaves 2 slots for Leddy, Hamonic, Pulock, and whoever else. I'd try to poach Pulock. If Simmonds and Schenn are in play, worth a shot.
- jmatchett383

Id rather get Strome, personally. In my time as an Islanders fan I have come to realize they will do more to protect Pulock than we realize.

I really don't have any targeted players. Earlier there were some 25-30 points 3C types I wanted sniffed out, but it's beginning to look like that's a bit pointless to give up assets for.

Give me your names, and I'll tell you my opinions.
- Mononoke

unacceptable

with most likely haag, sanheim, and morin/myers taking roster spots with ghost and provy ? Poluck isn't needed
- jmdodgeser4

I know that all 4 of them will pan out and reach their NHL ceilings and all, but I don't think it's a bad idea to add a guy like Pulock. If the Penguins were offered Connor McDavid, would they decline because they already have Crosby and Malkin?

Pulock is in his 3rd year of AHL hockey, and every major d prospect we have is better. Not sure why we'd give up assets for him other than people still love him from the draft 4 years ago. He's fine and all, but he's also more of a one note PP guy, which is something we don't in any circumstance need. We have Sanheim, Provorov, Ghost, Myers already to fill that role. We can forget that I don't think he's anything special.....he just has zero fit regardless.

Id rather get Strome, personally. In my time as an Islanders fan I have come to realize they will do more to protect Pulock than we realize.
- YuenglingJagr

Fair enough. I've just always liked him. Not as much as I like John Carlson, but I figured he's next to impossible for us to get.

unacceptable
- YuenglingJagr

If you want to list your names, go ahead.

Personally I'm just ambivalent on trading for anyone, unless they're in their early 20s at the latest. And even then, we're talking about a probably overrated player with some flaws or they're not available to begin with. Band-aids are just band-aids, though I'm fine with exploring swapping a mid round pick and B prospect to upgrade a depth role like 3C. But nothing big. Trading for quality prospects or picks sounds more appetizing to me.

I really don't have any targeted players. Earlier there were some 25-30 points 3C types I wanted sniffed out, but it's beginning to look like that's a bit pointless to give up assets for.

Give me your names, and I'll tell you my opinions.
- Mononoke

I'm not saying players we should target. We have talked about trying to improve the forward prospects, especially the high end talent of it, and was wondering which players you felt fell into that category.

My unranked list (in both skill level and desire for the Flyers to acquire)
Strome (either)
Barzal
Kapanen
Point/Stephens
Ho-Sang

I dont watch much junior hockey and I know there are bad things to be said about almost all of those guys, but that is the only reason why there is any chance they could be available.

But they're still a bubble team?
- jmatchett383

The bubble has sprung a leak.

Pulock is in his 3rd year of AHL hockey, and every major d prospect we have is better. Not sure why we'd give up assets for him other than people still love him from the draft 4 years ago. He's fine and all, but he's also more of a one note PP guy, which is something we don't in any circumstance need. We have Sanheim, Provorov, Ghost, Myers already to fill that role. We can forget that I don't think he's anything special.....he just has zero fit regardless.
- Mononoke

I agree with this

The isles defender I would want to poach is De Haan (assuming Hamonic isn't exactly priced at a level I would consider "poaching")

If you want to list your names, go ahead.

Personally I'm just ambivalent on trading for anyone, unless they're in their early 20s at the latest. And even then, we're talking about a probably overrated player with some flaws or they're not available to begin with. Band-aids are just band-aids, though I'm fine with exploring swapping a mid round pick and B prospect to upgrade a depth role like 3C. But nothing big. Trading for quality prospects or picks sounds more appetizing to me.
- Mononoke

bro, that is what I am asking about

They are moving in the right direction. Building patiently from within is never a linear process, there will be ups and downs, but overall, I think he is doing a very good job.
- BiggE

This so much. All those saying the team took a step back this year are not wrong but they are being hasty. The Flyers are going to hit some bumps in the process Hextall is leading them through. Who could have predicted a year where only 2 players are performing up or above to expected/normal levels?

Pulock is in his 3rd year of AHL hockey, and every major d prospect we have is better. Not sure why we'd give up assets for him other than people still love him from the draft 4 years ago. He's fine and all, but he's also more of a one note PP guy, which is something we don't in any circumstance need. We have Sanheim, Provorov, Ghost, Myers already to fill that role. We can forget that I don't think he's anything special.....he just has zero fit regardless.
- Mononoke

I'm a fan of big WHL defenders with right-hand shots, probably an effect of my at-times unhealthy fascination with Shea Weber.

Yes, I realize that we have prospect who SHOULD be able to fit into our system better than Pulock, but I'll admit I just have a bias towards him. That's all.

I'm a fan of big WHL defenders with right-hand shots, probably an effect of my at-times unhealthy fascination with Shea Weber.

Yes, I realize that we have prospect who SHOULD be able to fit into our system better than Pulock, but I'll admit I just have a bias towards him. That's all.
- jmatchett383

he does have quite a clapper

I'm not saying players we should target. We have talked about trying to improve the forward prospects, especially the high end talent of it, and was wondering which players you felt fell into that category.

My unranked list (in both skill level and desire for the Flyers to acquire)
Strome (either)
Barzal
Kapanen
Point/Stephens
Ho-Sang

I dont watch much junior hockey and I know there are bad things to be said about almost all of those guys, but that is the only reason why there is any chance they could be available.
- YuenglingJagr

I really like Barzal and always have and would absolutely explore trading say, Schenn, for Barzal+, but I also am not sure the Flyers love him dating back to the draft. NYI need wingers for Tavares so badly, and they might be thinking more short term than long term with pleasing JT. Schenn is a guy that might make sense to me that they'd covet. It's something I'd do diligence on.

I don't care much for Dylan Strome. He just annoys me (I could go way further into detail), and he's overrated. Ryan Strome....I just don't want to give up anything good for reclamation projects with major flaws. Call me crazy, but I want no part of that family. Be it those two or drafting their slowest, worst brother Matt this year. Kapanen I like, but Leafs have no real reason to trade him. I can't imagine they'd do it for anything but a defenseman. Ho-Sang is a mess lol. He's so not anyone Hextall would want.

Mitchell Stephens could be an awesome 3C/middle 6 winger type. Guy bleeds character. Again, don't see why Tampa moves him or Point for that matter. Cheap guys on ELCs they need. I like them as depth players though. I'd also be more interested in Cirelli if I'm looking at Tampa's B prospects.

I really like Barzal and always have and would absolute explore trading say, Schenn, for Barzal+, but I also am not sure the Flyers love him dating back to the draft. NYI need wingers for Tavares so badly, and they might be thinking more short term than long term with pleasing JT. Schenn is a guy that might make sense to me that they'd covet. It's something I'd do diligence on.

I don't care much for Dylan Strome. He just annoys me (I could go way further into detail), and he's overrated. Ryan Strome....I just don't want to give up anything good for reclamation projects with major flaws. Call me crazy, but I want no part of that family. Be it those two or drafting their slowest, worst brother Matt this year. Kapanen I like, but Leafs have no real reason to trade him. I can't imagine they'd do it for anything but a defenseman. Ho-Sang is a mess lol. He's so not anyone Hextall would want.

Mitchell Stephens could be an awesome 3C/middle 6 winger type. Guy bleeds character. Again, don't see why Tampa moves him or Point for that matter. Cheap guys on ELCs they need. I like them as depth players though.
- Mononoke

I tried to key in on Barzal at the WJCs this year. The dude has immense talent, but the problem is that he knows it and seems to want to do it all himself. He was reluctant to pass and seemed to prefer to try to skate through a team by himself instead. I can kind of understand it when you're playing against 16-19 year olds on your club team, but you need to get out of that mindset at the higher levels.

I really like Barzal and always have and would absolute explore trading say, Schenn, for Barzal+, but I also am not sure the Flyers love him dating back to the draft. NYI need wingers for Tavares so badly, and they might be thinking more short term than long term with pleasing JT. Schenn is a guy that might make sense to me that they'd covet. It's something I'd do diligence on.

I don't care much for Dylan Strome. He just annoys me (I could go way further into detail), and he's overrated. Ryan Strome....I just don't want to give up anything good for reclamation projects with major flaws. Kapanen I like, but Leafs have no real reason to trade him. Ho-Sang is a mess lol. He's so not anyone Hextall would want.

Mitchell Stephens could be an awesome 3C/middle 6 winger type. Guy bleeds character. Again, don't see why Tampa moves him or Point for that matter. Cheap guys on ELCs they need.
- Mononoke

Stephens/Point I will admit I have just fallen in love with watching tournaments. I see them as more of a target in a trade for defense (however I don't see them as 1st liners) Also Tampa could run out of space in the near future

Kapanen I agree, there isn't much need to trade him (other than defensive help again)

I agree Ho-sang is not someone Hextall would target, I just included for top line potential.

Brothers Strome I see Ryan as someone who might not fit in their expansion plans, and Dylan, maybe he doesn't fit into Chykas plans. My desire for either very much depend on price.

Barzal I would love Not that I dislike Konecny, but I was hoping and praying that Barzal fell by some miracle.

I tried to key in on Barzal at the WJCs this year. The dude has immense talent, but the problem is that he knows it and seems to want to do it all himself. He was reluctant to pass and seemed to prefer to try to skate through a team by himself instead. I can kind of understand it when you're playing against 16-19 year olds on your club team, but you need to get out of that mindset at the higher levels.
- jmatchett383

I don't see how a player could have almost 2 assists per game, which might be tops in the CHL, and yet not pass enough. I don't exactly get that. He'll always be a guy that makes plays because he's dynamic.

He could stand to clean up some attributes in his game in simplifying things (that's how I'd describe it because I do agree in part), and could stand to fine tune defensively, but his skating is elite, his vision and passing is elite, he's real strong on the puck and with defenders on his hip, he can QB a PP, and I think he's smart on top of it all. He has a lot to like. Guys who are too good for juniors all do that stuff. Konecny did it. Marner did it. If they're smart they adjust.