I wouldn't be too quick to dump Read and Weise anyway, both will come in handy as designated unprotected forwards in the expansion draft.
- Baxter27

Yes, if they protect Raffl and Laughton or Cousins, Read and Weise would be the only two forwards meeting the exposure requirements.

Forwards 2

under contract in 2017-18, AND
played in 40 or more NHL games last season, OR
played in 70 or more NHL games in the last two seasons

Of course, if before the ED they sign whichever of Laughton or Cousins isn't going to be protected to a contract covering 17-18, that would give them three forwards that meet the requirements.

I think I've stated that they need to trade him, but thinking on it a bit more I agree that is not 100% needed. Hell the team is struggling even with him, and seems to be headed for a good pick.
- flyer_nutter

Anything that'll improve the team, right? You've hit the nail on the head, they've got a bit of a conundrum at the 1C position. The conundrum they're in is it's hard to envision them quickly finding a solid new top center, but at the same time I don't want to see a failure to arrange a succession plan cripple them.

It reminds me just a little bit of the Pronger/Timonen blueline. It served them well at the time, but we all knew they needed a succession plan, and we saw what happened when they didn't really have one.

I still have plenty of King left to read.
- StepfordSam

King? Seriously?

Never was a fan of any of his work.

I'd be laughing if Vegas decided to take on Read - who looks like he is shot, or Weise for the years left on his deal. Both players, are a clear image of what is wrong with the bottom 6 of the Flyers in my eyes.
- flyer_nutter

Whether or not Vegas selects them is besides the point. The Flyers have to leave 2 forwards exposed that meet a games played criteria, which both Read and Weise already do. Without them they will be forced to leave 2 other top 9 forwards exposed.

Anything that'll improve the team, right? You've hit the nail on the head, they've got a bit of a conundrum at the 1C position. The conundrum they're in is it's hard to envision them quickly finding a solid new top center, but at the same time I don't want to see a failure to arrange a succession plan cripple them.

It reminds me just a little bit of the Pronger/Timonen blueline. It served them well at the time, but we all knew they needed a succession plan, and we saw what happened when they didn't really have one.
- BulliesPhan87

I am going to throw something out here. It's a name I have been dreaming about.

Offer Simmonds, and perhaps something else for Draisaitl. I would very much be in line with this kind of deal.

King? Seriously?

Never was a fan of any of his work.
- MikesPillBottle

How dare you.

I think FA is overstocked, and the trend seems to show it - with players who will be paid more than they are worth. Like you say, guys who are older or bottom 6 players.

I dont think relying on FA to find 'core' players is smart.

Will say, one place I am annoyed with Hextall about is that bottom 6. With as much financial power as the Flyers have, and being somewhat of an attractive destination the bottom 6 should have been much better the past few years.
- flyer_nutter

The bottom 6 was poorly addressed this past off season and that can't happen again.
I still think the need for a quality 2nd line Centre is a must, which could ultimately elevate Giroux's game. I have a feeling Mr Snider would be very unhappy with the lack of offensive production and heart from this team.

I'd be laughing if Vegas decided to take on Read - who looks like he is shot, or Weise for the years left on his deal. Both players, are a clear image of what is wrong with the bottom 6 of the Flyers in my eyes.
- flyer_nutter

I think your eyes are a problem because Read has been a far more effective player this season than Weise. It's not even close.

I am going to throw something out here. It's a name I have been dreaming about.

Offer Simmonds, and perhaps something else for Draisaitl. I would very much be in line with this kind of deal.
- flyer_nutter

Man, I'm really, really hesitant to part with Simmonds. He's one of the few who seems to really keep pushing even when they're beaten down, and he's really rounded out his game. I hear what you're saying, though. Ron has to be thinking about some sort of blue chip center who'll be ready for the spotlight as our young defensemen come into their own. You gotta give to get.

I am going to throw something out here. It's a name I have been dreaming about.

Offer Simmonds, and perhaps something else for Draisaitl. I would very much be in line with this kind of deal.
- flyer_nutter

They can have any forward but Simmonds.

I'm looking at Calgary and wondering if there is any way a deal could be made for Monahan. Won't be cheap but that's the kind of 1C I think they need to build around.

I don't think there's gonna be any shortage of young, fringe NHL players available to Vegas at draft time. As much as I like Cousins, that's what they both are.
- Tomahawk

If Cousins is a fringe NHLer (I don't think he is), then you want to protect Laughton who is.....what exactly?

I think your eyes are a problem because Read has been a far more effective player this season than Weise. It's not even close.
- Feanor

Read is done. Feel free to feel otherwise.

Piece of poop that wouldn't crack the lineup of a top tier club. We have different definitions of 'effective'. What's he done well?

You people are a mess! A MESS!

Read is done. Feel free to feel otherwise.

Piece of poop that wouldn't crack the lineup of a top tier club. We have different definitions of 'effective'. What's he done well?
- flyer_nutter

Yeah, gonna go ahead and say Read's been better than Weise. That speaks more to the non-factor Weise is than to Read, though.

Yes, if they protect Raffl and Laughton or Cousins, Read and Weise would be the only two forwards meeting the exposure requirements.



Of course, if before the ED they sign whichever of Laughton or Cousins isn't going to be protected to a contract covering 17-18, that would give them three forwards that meet the requirements.
- Feanor

If someone wants Read or Weise and actively pursues them with a valuable offer then the Flyers can make it work. All I'm saying is, they have more value to the Flyers than being a dump at the TDL.

Man, I'm really, really hesitant to part with Simmonds. He's one of the few who seems to really keep pushing even when they're beaten down, and he's really rounded out his game. I hear what you're saying, though. Ron has to be thinking about some sort of blue chip center who'll be ready for the spotlight as our young defensemen come into their own. You gotta give to get.
- BulliesPhan87

Have to give to get. Thats 100% right.

You have to commit to the future. Believe me, Simmonds is one of the few things right about things club. I just dont feel comfortable dealing any of the defensive prospects as that is still such a dire need.

What other piece is going to get you that #1 for the future? It sucks but they need to address it, and they have a guy in Simmonds who could get you that.

I'd put it this way. If you could trade Simmonds today for a 20year old Claude Giroux, do you do it?

Read is done. Feel free to feel otherwise.

Piece of poop that wouldn't crack the lineup of a top tier club. We have different definitions of 'effective'. What's he done well?
- flyer_nutter

He's scoring points at almost the same rate as Simmonds 5 on 5, and more than triple the rate of Weise. Best CF% and GF% among forwards. Only regular player with a GF% above 50.

Read is done. Feel free to feel otherwise.

Piece of poop that wouldn't crack the lineup of a top tier club. We have different definitions of 'effective'. What's he done well?
- flyer_nutter

Compared to the rest of the Flyers....pretty much everything

Yeah, gonna go ahead and say Read's been better than Weise. That speaks more to the non-factor Weise is than to Read, though.
- BulliesPhan87

He's been better, but thats like saying a fart is less smelly than feces.

He's scoring points at almost the same rate as Simmonds 5 on 5, and more than triple the rate of Weise. Best CF% and GF% among forwards. Only regular player with a GF% above 50.
- Feanor

This is my point with some of the stats community. Looking at Read, he is a pile of poop. He has done nothing well, and is a warm body at best.

I'll end it here, agree to disagree.

Have to give to get. Thats 100% right.

You have to commit to the future. Believe me, Simmonds is one of the few things right about things club. I just dont feel comfortable dealing any of the defensive prospects as that is still such a dire need.

What other piece is going to get you that #1 for the future? It sucks but they need to address it, and they have a guy in Simmonds who could get you that.

I'd put it this way. If you could trade Simmonds today for a 20year old Claude Giroux, do you do it?
- flyer_nutter

That's fair. I don't envy Hextall right now, he has some tough decisions to make.

Now you're just being goofy. Defense is the where the quality of options will be highest for Vegas compared to forward or goalie. If they want a veteran like MacDonald there will be better and/or cheaper options, like Jack Johnson and Paul Martin.

A 24 year old forward like Cousins who can score 20 points playing in the middle 6 would be a much better use of cap space for Vegas.
- Feanor

I would throw a party if AMAC was taken by vegas. speaking of AMAC how much salary/cap space would people be willing to retain if you all were the GM?

I would throw a party if AMAC was taken by vegas. speaking of AMAC how much salary/cap space would people be willing to retain if you all were the GM?
- nastyflyergirl

50%

You people are a mess! A MESS!
- Mononoke

You're just now realizing this?

I would throw a party if AMAC was taken by vegas. speaking of AMAC how much salary/cap space would people be willing to retain if you all were the GM?
- nastyflyergirl

75%.

I just dont want to talk about him anymore.