not sure i see it either. My belief they should but ultimately i think kane is here next year.
- Sabresfan-365

I knew Bailey was fast but I didn't know he was that fast. There were breakouts where he just exploded out of the zone.

I am liking what I see from him more and more with Oreilly and Okposo

Get his scoring touch going and he can be there long term for all I care

Bailey Oreilly Okposo
Kane Eichel ??
Nylander Reinhart Carrier
Foligno Larsson Gionta

Move Ennis and Girgensons for a 3/4 defensemen
Send Gorges away for a 3rd
Pray Vegas takes Moulson

Sign Shattenkirk

Risto McCabe
Shattenkirk player in Ennis trade
Guhle Bogo
Falk

Off season sign Vrbata to a 1-2 year deal.

Roll 4 lines next year.

I can easily believe that Pegula wanted kane out after the june fiasco, but i'm pretty sure murray a.) couldn't get much for him over the summer and b.) probably really didn't want to trade him anyway...same with the injury

murray may have gotten lucky with kane finding his hockey self lately...will it be enough to keep Pegula away from the situation?

not sure
- Michael Pachla

Thing is, the rumours that came out about the minnesota deal were before the bar incident and apparently fell apart because of that. Implying it was just a hockey/business trade.

Timeline of the rumour makes me curious but otherwise i agree.

isn't the long change on the 1st and 3rd period for a team on the road?
I always thought that was one of the points of home ice advantage in the playoffs (or anytime,) the home team being closer to their own zone two out of 3 periods.
- seedy

Nope. The only time there's a long change is during the 2nd period and it's the same for both teams. The end you defend changes, but the bench doesn't.

I knew Bailey was fast but I didn't know he was that fast. There were breakouts where he just exploded out of the zone.

I am liking what I see from him more and more with Oreilly and Okposo

Get his scoring touch going and he can be there long term for all I care

Bailey Oreilly Okposo
Kane Eichel ??
Nylander Reinhart Carrier
Foligno Larsson Gionta

Move Ennis and Girgensons for a 3/4 defensemen
Send Gorges away for a 3rd
Pray Vegas takes Moulson

Sign Shattenkirk

Risto McCabe
Shattenkirk player in Ennis trade
Guhle Bogo
Falk

Off season sign Vrbata to a 1-2 year deal.

Roll 4 lines next year.
- Stripes77

Honest question not a dig at all but which of these do you believe is more likely? Shattenkirk wants to be out east and we could overpay so as a long shot id believe we have " a chance "

There's absolutely no way ennis and girgensons brings back a true 3/4. They tried girgs + for fowler and ducks were having none of that. Given the price for these d-man you're probably looking at the minimum Kane and maybe have to add.

Just my opinion though of course.

I knew Bailey was fast but I didn't know he was that fast. There were breakouts where he just exploded out of the zone.

I am liking what I see from him more and more with Oreilly and Okposo

Get his scoring touch going and he can be there long term for all I care

Bailey Oreilly Okposo
Kane Eichel ??
Nylander Reinhart Carrier
Foligno Larsson Gionta

Move Ennis and Girgensons for a 3/4 defensemen
Send Gorges away for a 3rd
Pray Vegas takes Moulson

Sign Shattenkirk

Risto McCabe
Shattenkirk player in Ennis trade
Guhle Bogo
Falk

Off season sign Vrbata to a 1-2 year deal.

Roll 4 lines next year.
- Stripes77

And if God answers in the negative?

Hopefully they don't trade Kane. True story, he has been the best player in the Jets/Sabre trade. He has also played in more games than Myers since the trade.
- Mentalorgasm5

**this year**

And if God answers in the negative?
- buffalofan19

He's your 13th forward next season and a buyout candidate the year after

I can easily believe that Pegula wanted kane out after the june fiasco, but i'm pretty sure murray a.) couldn't get much for him over the summer and b.) probably really didn't want to trade him anyway...same with the injury

murray may have gotten lucky with kane finding his hockey self lately...will it be enough to keep Pegula away from the situation?

not sure
- Michael Pachla

Kane has to keep his nose clean right now too, otherwise those charges don't get dismissed. He needs to be on the right side of the law for 6 months, so he has until the end of April based on the fact that the case was adjourned based on those stipulations at the end of October.

I can easily believe that Pegula wanted kane out after the june fiasco, but i'm pretty sure murray a.) couldn't get much for him over the summer and b.) probably really didn't want to trade him anyway...same with the injury

murray may have gotten lucky with kane finding his hockey self lately...will it be enough to keep Pegula away from the situation?

not sure
- Michael Pachla

I think since he completely healed from his broken ribs Kane is playing exactly how Murray envisioned him playing on this team.
there aren't a lot like him when they're at the top of their game.
If they had the exact same point totals, who would you rather have, him or Stafford?

No the teams get to keep their own goalies for the whole game.
- Pope of Pucks

WHat is this crazy sport you're watching?

Honest question not a dig at all but which of these do you believe is more likely? Shattenkirk wants to be out east and we could overpay so as a long shot id believe we have " a chance "

There's absolutely no way ennis and girgensons brings back a true 3/4. They tried girgs + for fowler and ducks were having none of that. Given the price for these d-man you're probably looking at the minimum Kane and maybe have to add.

Just my opinion though of course.
- Sabresfan-365

Kane plus for a 3/4 guy?

Come on now. Im thinking an older vet like a Gorges before he got traded here not the one we have now. A guy to stay at home and play a solid defensive game like a Jason Garrison type. Not flashy but not horrible

7 for 7 for Shattenkirk should be in the ball park.

Kane plus for a 3/4 guy?

Come on now. Im thinking an older vet like a Gorges before he got traded here not the one we have now. A guy to stay at home and play a solid defensive game like a Jason Garrison type. Not flashy but not horrible

7 for 7 for Shattenkirk should be in the ball park.
- Stripes77

okay I think I just misunderstood where you were going with 3/4 guy, my bad.

Shattenkirk makes sense, but i think its boston and NYR's to lose.

Thing is, the rumours that came out about the minnesota deal were before the bar incident and apparently fell apart because of that. Implying it was just a hockey/business trade.

Timeline of the rumour makes me curious but otherwise i agree.
- Sabresfan-365

thx...must have been the December/nba incidents

okay I think I just misunderstood where you were going with 3/4 guy, my bad.

Shattenkirk makes sense, but i think its boston and NYR's to lose.
- Sabresfan-365

I should have said a 4/5 guy to hold the spot until Guhle is ready for the 2nd pairing for good

But yes I think Shattenkirk is Boston or New York bound but I just don't see how either team can afford it

**this year**
- sbroads24

because Stafford had 21 goals last year, but was a minus-23?
or that myers had a stretch-run that rivaled his calder year but has been injury prone ever since?

Kane has to keep his nose clean right now too, otherwise those charges don't get dismissed. He needs to be on the right side of the law for 6 months, so he has until the end of April based on the fact that the case was adjourned based on those stipulations at the end of October.
- HonkFortheGoose

yup...sure does...

and, unless he's extended, he's coming up on a contract season

because Stafford had 21 goals last year, but was a minus-23?
or that myers had a stretch-run that rivaled his calder year but has been injury prone ever since?
- Michael Pachla

Last year- I'd value a top 4 D-man with 9 goals, 27 points, and positive possession numbers over Kane's 35 points playing some of the most minutes of any forward.

This year, it's not close, Kane has been really good.


But to fuel the fire, Joel Armia has 5 points in his last 5 games and has been good since his knee is "fully healed". Unless only Kane gets the injury passes.

I should have said a 4/5 guy to hold the spot until Guhle is ready for the 2nd pairing for good

But yes I think Shattenkirk is Boston or New York bound but I just don't see how either team can afford it
- Stripes77

I think as far as NYR goes the assumption is they'll move Nash and dedicate his cap space to Shatenkirk although im not sure what other RFAs they have


Bruins would be trickier. 12+ mil in cap but Pastrnak and Spooner are RFA.

I think as far as NYR goes the assumption is they'll move Nash and dedicate his cap space to Shatenkirk although im not sure what other RFAs they have


Bruins would be trickier. 12+ mil in cap but Pastrnak and Spooner are RFA.
- Sabresfan-365

I'll take Nash for a 2nd if they eat $2 million

Last year- I'd value a top 4 D-man with 9 goals, 27 points, and positive possession numbers over Kane's 35 points playing some of the most minutes of any forward.

This year, it's not close, Kane has been really good.


But to fuel the fire, Joel Armia has 5 points in his last 5 games and has been good since his knee is "fully healed". Unless only Kane gets the injury passes.
- sbroads24

we were talking best player in the deal, right?...so armia shouldn't even be mentioned

the best player in the deal is kane...always was...just took a while for him to prove it

I'll take Nash for a 2nd if they eat $2 million
- Stripes77

16 goals in 44, might cost a little more but id be all for it. Can they convince him to waive is the bigger question.

16 goals in 44, might cost a little more but id be all for it. Can they convince him to waive is the bigger question.
- Sabresfan-365

Ugh fine Sabres finish 9th miss the playoffs win the lottery draft Nico

Better? Haha

we were talking best player in the deal, right?...so armia shouldn't even be mentioned

the best player in the deal is kane...always was...just took a while for him to prove it
- Michael Pachla

Right now, sure. Last year he wasn't. The year before he wasn't.

In one year from now we conceivably could be without Kane or Bogo (Im praying), and the Jets could have Roslovic, Armia, Lemiuex and Myers (If he's not in Vegas) and whatever asset they get for Stafford at the deadline.

The trade will never be close unless Roslovic is a complete bust

Right now, sure. Last year he wasn't. The year before he wasn't.

In one year from now we conceivably could be without Kane or Bogo (Im praying), and the Jets could have Roslovic, Armia, Lemiuex and Myers (If he's not in Vegas) and whatever asset they get for Stafford at the deadline.

The trade will never be close unless Roslovic is a complete bust
- sbroads24

isn't the old adage, "whomever gets the best player, wins the trade?"

btw, kane scored 20 goals in 65 games last season

oh, and btw...kane didn't play for buffalo the year before

isn't the old adage, "whomever gets the best player, wins the trade?"

btw, kane scored 20 goals in 65 games last season

oh, and btw...kane didn't play for buffalo the year before
- Michael Pachla

I know he scored 20. So did Drew Stafford. It's not a special achievement. He's been really good this year, so this year, yes he's been the best player