Same way they were thinking about Babcock.
- ses111

Nothing was stopping Babcock from going to Toronto. Not everything Staple reports is accurate.

PP has been over 25% since he became interm coach.
I'd like to see us get involved with trades with the Predators. They have a lot of depth on defense that could compliment our style of play. They need offense. I like Ekholm and Ellis. Problem is, Subban and Josi are what's preventing them from getting top pair opportunities.
Talent for talent is not how you make trades to teams that aren't rebuilding. Trades that make your team improved going forward are what work in scenarios like this. Nashville needs quite a bit of offense though.
- bgainesDM

First of all, they are 22% since Weight took over. I was actually surprised when i did the math on that. Still, they wasted a lot of opportunities tonight. They've wasted a lot of opportunities on teams of this ilk. Second, Subban is a top d-man in the league. Josi is a good #2. They would keep guys below them on pretty much every team in the league. Ekholm and Ellis are decent, but not top pairing. Ellis is a RHD. one of 3 on their roster. Who or what are you giving up to get either of them. Besides, we already have a puck moving defenseman in Leddy.
Yes, every trade is made with an eye for improving your team and not necessarily talent for talent. If that were the case, a lot of trades would never have been made. GM's always think they're improving their team when making a trade. You have to give to get though. Again, who or what are you moving? You want Ekholm or Ellis. What's the package you're giving up to get one of them?

First of all, they are 22% since Weight took over. I was actually surprised when i did the math on that. Still, they wasted a lot of opportunities tonight. They've wasted a lot of opportunities on teams of this ilk. Second, Subban is a top d-man in the league. Josi is a good #2. They would keep guys below them on pretty much every team in the league. Ekholm and Ellis are decent, but not top pairing. Ellis is a RHD. one of 3 on their roster. Who or what are you giving up to get either of them. Besides, we already have a puck moving defenseman in Leddy.
Yes, every trade is made with an eye for improving your team and not necessarily talent for talent. If that were the case, a lot of trades would never have been made. GM's always think they're improving their team when making a trade. You have to give to get though. Again, who or what are you moving? You want Ekholm or Ellis. What's the package you're giving up to get one of them?
- Isleshockeyman

Honestly, Nashville wants offense, we need possession on defense. Ellis' points per 60 min are decent. He's young and not slow like Hamonic. I'd trade Strome straight up for him for 2 reasons.
1. Nashville will need to have depth on offense and their possession overall will improve with Strome in the mix when complimented by the transition game of their defense. Vice versa for us. We need our transition game to improve. Only Leddy won't cut it.
2. Will Ellis be a Subban or a Burns type of dman? Of course not. But he would be a pleasant surprise for us like Adam Larsson has been for Edmonton.

First of all, they are 22% since Weight took over. I was actually surprised when i did the math on that. Still, they wasted a lot of opportunities tonight. They've wasted a lot of opportunities on teams of this ilk. Second, Subban is a top d-man in the league. Josi is a good #2. They would keep guys below them on pretty much every team in the league. Ekholm and Ellis are decent, but not top pairing. Ellis is a RHD. one of 3 on their roster. Who or what are you giving up to get either of them. Besides, we already have a puck moving defenseman in Leddy.
Yes, every trade is made with an eye for improving your team and not necessarily talent for talent. If that were the case, a lot of trades would never have been made. GM's always think they're improving their team when making a trade. You have to give to get though. Again, who or what are you moving? You want Ekholm or Ellis. What's the package you're giving up to get one of them?
- Isleshockeyman

Is that 22% before or after this game?

Is that 22% before or after this game?
- bgainesDM

Including this game.
It's 22.(something like .3 or .4)%

Including this game.
It's 22.(something like .3 or .4)%
- Isleshockeyman

And if you take away our 0/4 PP tonight, what do you get?

Honestly, Nashville wants offense, we need possession on defense. Ellis' points per 60 min are decent. He's young and not slow like Hamonic. I'd trade Strome straight up for him for 2 reasons.
1. Nashville will need to have depth on offense and their possession overall will improve with Strome in the mix when complimented by the transition game of their defense. Vice versa for us. We need our transition game to improve. Only Leddy won't cut it.
2. Will Ellis be a Subban or a Burns type of dman? Of course not. But he would be a pleasant surprise for us like Adam Larsson has been for Edmonton.
- bgainesDM

He does have a fairly friendly cap hit at $2.5m. However, that's not addressing your original point of a top pairing d-man. Ellis would be a second pairing behind Leddy. I'm assuming you wouldn't want both of them on the same pairing (i wouldn't).
Also, i don't see Nashville taking only Strome for him. You'd need more, imo. (perhaps I'm under valuing our players. Maybe it's because I've had a few beers after watching the abomination of a game tonight). Either way, that trade poses another problem. Ellis still has 2 years left on his contract. So, who do you protect in the expansion draft (assuming Nashville accepts Strome only)? You have to protect JB.

And if you take away our 0/4 PP tonight, what do you get?
- bgainesDM

Christ, you want me to do math again?

*Edit - exactly 25% (including tonight = 22.7%)

Christ, you want me to do math again?
- Isleshockeyman

Drink some water. Eat some food. Then give it a go. ;-)

Drink some water. Eat some food. Then give it a go. ;-)
- bgainesDM

He does have a fairly friendly cap hit at $2.5m. However, that's not addressing your original point of a top pairing d-man. Ellis would be a second pairing behind Leddy. I'm assuming you wouldn't want both of them on the same pairing (i wouldn't).
Also, i don't see Nashville taking only Strome for him. You'd need more, imo. (perhaps I'm under valuing our players. Maybe it's because I've had a few beers after watching the abomination of a game tonight). Either way, that trade poses another problem. Ellis still has 2 years left on his contract. So, who do you protect in the expansion draft (assuming Nashville accepts Strome only)? You have to protect JB.
- Isleshockeyman

I would have Ellis paired with Leddy. Watching Nashville play their fair share of games, his style is perfect for Leddy.
Then my bottom two pairs would be.
Pelech - Boychuk. This worked a little bit last year before Boychuk got hurt last January. Wouldn't hurt to give this pair a try again.
deHaan - Hamonic/Seidenberg

Peter Laviolette can get a lot out of Ryan Strome.
Doug Weight, and whichever analytics coach comes after him(hopefully Kevin Dineen or Dallas Eakins. NO MARC CRAWFORD. PLEASE NO), can get a lot out of Ryan Ellis.
I'd probably go 4 forwards 4 dman protection.
JT, Lee, Ladd, and either Beau(I believe after 58 games he has to be protected. I could be wrong on that.), or Nelson.
D: Leddy, Ellis, Boychuk, and either Hamonic(if not traded before the offeason) or Pulock(if not traded before the offseason.)

Christ, you want me to do math again?

*Edit - exactly 25% (including tonight = 22.7%)
- Isleshockeyman

Thank you

I would have Ellis paired with Leddy. Watching Nashville play their fair share of games, his style is perfect for Leddy.
Then my bottom two pairs would be.
Pelech - Boychuk. This worked a little bit last year before Boychuk got hurt last January. Wouldn't hurt to give this pair a try again.
deHaan - Hamonic/Seidenberg

Peter Laviolette can get a lot out of Ryan Strome.
Doug Weight, and whichever analytics coach comes after him(hopefully Kevin Dineen or Dallas Eakins. NO MARC CRAWFORD. PLEASE NO), can get a lot out of Ryan Ellis.
I'd probably go 4 forwards 4 dman protection.
JT, Lee, Ladd, and either Beau(I believe after 58 games he has to be protected. I could be wrong on that.), or Nelson.
D: Leddy, Ellis, Boychuk, and either Hamonic(if not traded before the offeason) or Pulock(if not traded before the offseason.)
- bgainesDM

2 years of pro hockey. Pretty sure Beau would't need to be protected. Quite frankly, i think most any other coach could get more out of Strome. He seems to have gained confidence under Weight. I've always bemoaned Crappy as far as player development. Crappy always made Strome, Quine, Prince and several others pay for other players mistakes because he's a gutless puke. But i digress. I really do not see Snow trading Hamonic. I'm protecting Pulock over Hammer in that scenario. That also leaves Pelech exposed. Again though, Ellis isn't a top pairing d-man. As it appears you are, I'm exposing deHaan and Hickey. I think this team needs a better coach. I like what Weight has done, but i don't think he's the answer. There are several holes on this team that need to be addressed, but i don't think I'd address them until the season is over and i have a new front office and coaching staff in place.

Thank you
- bgainesDM

No, no, no! You said over 25%.

Next practice????? Tonight! after all the fans have left, their (frank)ing asses are on the ice. I know, you can't do that, but (frank) sake, this effort was pathetic.
- Isleshockeyman

I agree IHM, everytime a player came off an ELC the Islanders / MM had to trade them for picks and or prospects, because they wouldn't / couldn't pay them what they deserved.

No, no, no! You said over 25%.
- Isleshockeyman

I was hoping you'd be drunk enough to not notice

I was hoping you'd be drunk enough to not notice
- bgainesDM

You ain't that lucky. I'm a professional drinker.

I agree IHM, everytime a player came off an ELC the Islanders / MM had to trade them for picks and or prospects, because they wouldn't / couldn't pay them what they deserved.
- nyisles7

What really pissed me off about the Gluck/Mils group was they offered to build a stadium for the Redskins with most of the money out of their pockets! How about paying for the team you own(ed), a$$holes.

2 years of pro hockey. Pretty sure Beau would't need to be protected. Quite frankly, i think most any other coach could get more out of Strome. He seems to have gained confidence under Weight. I've always bemoaned Crappy as far as player development. Crappy always made Strome, Quine, Prince and several others pay for other players mistakes because he's a gutless puke. But i digress. I really do not see Snow trading Hamonic. I'm protecting Pulock over Hammer in that scenario. That also leaves Pelech exposed. Again though, Ellis isn't a top pairing d-man. As it appears you are, I'm exposing deHaan and Hickey. I think this team needs a better coach. I like what Weight has done, but i don't think he's the answer. There are several holes on this team that need to be addressed, but i don't think I'd address them until the season is over and i have a new front office and coaching staff in place.
- Isleshockeyman

With all due respect to Weight though, he's not a top 5 coach like Peter(Thank you Mike, for firing him you scumbag.). When you look at the points per 60 min and time on ice, Leddy and Ellis are very similar and shoot opposite. You make that pairing with line 1 as your starting lineup, lookout!
Now, regarding protecting Pulock vs. Hamonic. I do agree with that Pulock would be protected instead of Hamonic. But if that's the case, why not trade him and get something back rather than lose him for nothing? Honestly, the front office's only problem was their loyalty to Capuano. If they hired a coach that matched their analytics in drafting and trade, which they BETTER do this time assuming Weight doesn't maintain this consistency, they'd seriously be lethal all year.
Having a great defense is something we need though. Look at Chicago's blueprint for consistent defense and analytics. Copy that.

What really pissed me off about the Gluck/Mils group was they offered to build a stadium with most of the money out of their pockets! How about paying for the team you own(ed), a$$holes.
- Isleshockeyman

Truely there was poopty owner after poopty owner and hopefully L and M do what they have said and finally bring some stability and credibility to this storied franchise.

With all due respect to Weight though, he's not a top 5 coach like Peter(Thank you Mike, for firing him you scumbag.). When you look at the points per 60 min and time on ice, Leddy and Ellis are very similar and shoot opposite. You make that pairing with line 1 as your starting lineup, lookout!
Now, regarding protecting Pulock vs. Hamonic. I do agree with that Pulock would be protected instead of Hamonic. But if that's the case, why not trade him and get something back rather than lose him for nothing? Honestly, the front office's only problem was their loyalty to Capuano. If they hired a coach that matched their analytics in drafting and trade, which they BETTER do this time assuming Weight doesn't maintain this consistency, they'd seriously be lethal all year.
Having a great defense is something we need though. Look at Chicago's blueprint for consistent defense and analytics. Copy that.
- bgainesDM

Bold #1 - The front offices only problem is Snow. He's too arrogant to hold that position. He thinks he's the smartest one in the room. Hence the reason he's made a lot of the picks he's made. Taking a flyer on high draft picks that would have been there 10-15 picks later.
Bold #2 - I would agree. The best path to success is to mimic someone who's had success. The Isles problem is, as stated previously, Snow thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He wouldn't dare follow a successful business model. Also, he wouldn't dare admit he made a mistake (see the 3 goalie fiasco, Crappy, etc.).

Truely there was poopty owner after poopty owner and hopefully L and M do what they have said and finally bring some stability and credibility to this storied franchise.
- nyisles7

Your lips to Gods ear, my friend.

Bold #1 - The front offices only problem is Snow. He's too arrogant to hold that position. He thinks he's the smartest one in the room. Hence the reason he's made a lot of the picks he's made. Taking a flyer on high draft picks that would have been there 10-15 picks later.
Bold #2 - I would agree. The best path to success is to mimic someone who's had success. The Isles problem is, as stated previously, Snow thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He wouldn't dare follow a successful business model. Also, he wouldn't dare admit he made a mistake (see the 3 goalie fiasco, Crappy, etc.).
- Isleshockeyman

Think you might be confusing Snow with Doug Armstrong. ;-)

Think you might be confusing Snow with Doug Armstrong. ;-)
- bgainesDM

Big win for white tonight isles not so much......and I'm drunk

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/claude-julien-on-radar-to-replace-jack-capuano-hired-by-canadiens-1.13125463
- ses111

Julien was on the radar? Why not be proactive and at least try to speak to the guy? Sorry Staple people are sick of talk and no action. I'd rather not even hear of, "well yeah we thought about it" it screams of arrogance or even laziness. As far as Cizikas doing whatever it takes to win I must have missed that last night guy was (frank)ing invisible as he's been much of this year. Great contract.