Risto is elite? Like Doughty,Keith, Hedman and Weber elite? Wow.
- Larsson_fan

Well, I don't have time to explain the game to you but having two of your best players in their second year is a start, Falk, Fedun on D Foligno on your top line, lack of scoring from your wingers, lack of scoring 5 on5, MaCabe is not a #2, Risto is nice but defensively is not a #1 yet. Franson is average, Gorges is average. Do I have to keep going on or has the light been lit in that noggin of yours?
- GilPerreault11

*Looks and sees the Maple Leafs ahead of us in the standings*

But hey, at least you aren't condescending when you're wrong

Risto is elite? Like Doughty,Keith, Hedman and Weber elite? Wow.
- Larsson_fan

that post was dripping with sarcasm

Thank (frank)ing god someone said Muzzin is a lower-tier 4th D-Man.

Last LA Kings cup win I thought he was going to single-handedly lose the game for them, every game.

Guy plays with Doughty, or he did that Playoff year. He's s h i t e.
- BeadyEyedDouche

No, you misunderstand me. Muzzin is no way a top 2, but hes a decent top 4. He's soft, but he's far better than Kulikov.

nope.
- Mentalorgasm5

Take out LeSean McCoy where would the team be

- Sabresfan-365

Fair.

Take out LeSean McCoy where would the team be
- GERBE!!!75PTS

didn't whaley make that trade?

murray tried trading three second rounders to get back into the lower first round and it didn't work...

I understand the value of a second-rounder--mike weber was a second rounder, but so were jake McCabe and Brendan guhle...


- Michael Pachla

It worked out he drafted 3 bust players lol

didn't whaley make that trade?
- Michael Pachla

Yes

It worked out he drafted 3 bust players lol
- GERBE!!!75PTS

WHo were they and what year did he draft them?

Risto is elite? Like Doughty,Keith, Hedman and Weber elite? Wow.
- Larsson_fan

He's a solid #1 IMO but not elite. People are too harsh on him. He plays half the game with no one on his level and on a team that gives up 40 shots a game.

Stealth tank this season.

No, you misunderstand me. Muzzin is no way a top 2, but hes a decent top 4. He's soft, but he's far better than Kulikov.
- Larsson_fan

I think he's trash. Misunderstood your post or not lol. If we traded for him I'd be furious.

He's a Franson in the making.

- Sabresfan-365

Did you travel all the way back to 1999 to find this?

Take out LeSean McCoy where would the team be
- GERBE!!!75PTS

4-12

*Looks and sees the Maple Leafs ahead of us in the standings*

But hey, at least you aren't condescending when you're wrong
- sbroads24

Not every team is comparable to the Leafs, we aren't the LEAFS, they didn't tank into the gutter like we did, they still had some talent and they do have one of, if not, the best coaches in the league that we lost out to. At least I don't have to wipe away your tears when you cry when you're wrong on the internet. Facetious tissue?

Not every team is comparable to the Leafs, we aren't the LEAFS, they didn't tank into the gutter like we did, they still had some talent and they do have one of, if not, the best coaches in the league that we lost out to. At least I don't have to wipe away your tears when you cry when you're wrong on the internet. Facetious tissue?
- GilPerreault11

Ok, so the Leafs aren't comparable.

What about Edmonton

Draisatil/McDavid 14/15 draft
Reinhart/Eichel 14/15 draft.

Pretty sure they are a lot better than us

Ok, so the Leafs aren't comparable.

What about Edmonton

Draisatil/McDavid 14/15 draft
Reinhart/Eichel 14/15 draft.

Pretty sure they are a lot better than us
- sbroads24

They've sucked for a lot longer and been rebuilding or sucking for longer. More top 5 picks and McDavid is better by quite a bit than Eichel. You are reaching to rationalize your..whatever. The Sabres need more talent but Kuli is not the problem of this team as Kane is not the problem.

It seems some fans only latch on to Sabres draft picks kind of like people who like top 40 music. They have to hear it over and over to grow attached to it and think they are valuable. Then there are fans who like some top 40 but also like punk and alternative ( the new players the Sabres trade for as well as some draft picks). They can appreciate the music and players for their quality, talent not because they have been beat into their heads.

Ok, so the Leafs aren't comparable.

What about Edmonton

Draisatil/McDavid 14/15 draft
Reinhart/Eichel 14/15 draft.

Pretty sure they are a lot better than us
- sbroads24

Let's say Eichel didn't miss the first 21 games.

Prorated stats equals about 22g 22a for 44 points in 54 games. This is not strict math, just off the top of my head mathing because I'm not an idiot.

On pace for around 70 pts. Draisaitl is currently on pace for around 70 pts.

Reinhart's stats might be a little better had Jack played the first 20 games but he hasn't even played with Jack that much since Jack's return.

McDavid is on another level but really, all you're saying is that we chose the wrong guy in Reinhart, over Draisaitl and it's a difference of 20pts or so at the end of the year. Since Daraisaitl isn't playing with McJesus, we can assume he would be playing at that level on this team, but Reinhart would be playing at a higher level on Jesus' wing...

But take one look at Everyone else's stats on Edmonton this year and they're WORSE (or just as good/bad) than our (frank)ing scrubs' stats like Moulson, Gionta, Okposo, ROR, Ristolainen.

The ONLY difference is McDavid here. If EDM didn't have McDavid this year they would be DEAD LAST in the standings, maybe even worse than Arizona.

So what are we on about? All signs point to coaching. We should be higher in the standings, regardless of Jack missing 1/4th of the year.

They've sucked for a lot longer and been rebuilding or sucking for longer. More top 5 picks and McDavid is better by quite a bit than Eichel. You are reaching to rationalize your..whatever. The Sabres need more talent but Kuli is not the problem of this team as Kane is not the problem.

It seems some fans only latch on to Sabres draft picks kind of like people who like top 40 music. They have to hear it over and over to grow attached to it and think they are valuable. Then there are fans who like some top 40 but also like punk and alternative ( the new players the Sabres trade for as well as some draft picks). They can appreciate the music and players for their quality, talent not because they have been beat into their heads.
- GilPerreault11

That's not the point, you said one of our problems is that 23/15 are in their 2nd year.

Marner and Matthews are in their 1st. McDavid/Drais in their 2nd.

I don't think Kane is a problem I think the defense is THE problem, and playing Kulikov as a #2, when you don't have a true #1 is a giant problem. You can't count on Bogosian, ever. You can barely count on Gorges to be a bottom pairing player.

The defense needs an overhaul outside of 29 and 55.

They've sucked for a lot longer and been rebuilding or sucking for longer. More top 5 picks and McDavid is better by quite a bit than Eichel. You are reaching to rationalize your..whatever. The Sabres need more talent but Kuli is not the problem of this team as Kane is not the problem.

It seems some fans only latch on to Sabres draft picks kind of like people who like top 40 music. They have to hear it over and over to grow attached to it and think they are valuable. Then there are fans who like some top 40 but also like punk and alternative ( the new players the Sabres trade for as well as some draft picks). They can appreciate the music and players for their quality, talent not because they have been beat into their heads.
- GilPerreault11

I just think we can do better than kulikov at 4-4.5 mil and that trading a winger for a really good top 4 guy is in our best interest.

Let's say Eichel didn't miss the first 21 games.

Prorated stats equals about 22g 22a for 44 points in 54 games. This is not strict math, just off the top of my head mathing because I'm not an idiot.

On pace for around 70 pts. Draisaitl is currently on pace for around 70 pts.

Reinhart's stats might be a little better had Jack played the first 20 games but he hasn't even played with Jack that much since Jack's return.

McDavid is on another level but really, all you're saying is that we chose the wrong guy in Reinhart, over Draisaitl and it's a difference of 20pts or so at the end of the year. Since Daraisaitl isn't playing with McJesus, we can assume he would be playing at that level on this team, but Reinhart would be playing at a higher level on Jesus' wing...

But take one look at Everyone else's stats on Edmonton this year and they're WORSE than our (frank)ing scrubs' stats like Moulson, Gionta, Okposo, ROR, Ristolainen.

The ONLY difference is McDavid here. If EDM didn't have McDavid this year they would be DEAD LAST in the standings, maybe even worse than Arizona.

So what are we on about? All signs point to coaching. We should be higher in the standings, regardless of Jack missing 1/4th of the year.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I'm not even saying this right now.

I'm not even saying this right now.
- sbroads24

Edit: You bolded a part but left my bold, I was confused.

I'm saying it's coaching but you're implying that we (frank)ed up in not choosing Draisaitl. While at the same time saying our actual problem is Defense.

I don't think Defense is our problem.

I just think we can do better than kulikov at 4-4.5 mil and that trading a winger for a really good top 4 guy is in our best interest.
- Sabresfan-365

Name a comparable player to Kane in the league and if the Sabres had drafted Kane would you be so quick to trade him for a top 4 D?

Edit: You bolded a part but left my bold, I was confused.

I'm saying it's coaching but you're implying that we (frank)ed up in not choosing Draisaitl. While at the same time saying our actual problem is Defense.

I don't think Defense is our problem.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I don't get it, you put risto in the scrub category yet defence isn't our problem?

Edit: You bolded a part but left my bold, I was confused.

I'm saying it's coaching but you're implying that we (frank)ed up in not choosing Draisaitl. While at the same time saying our actual problem is Defense.

I don't think Defense is our problem.
- BeadyEyedDouche

We are the lowest scoring blue line, while at the same time giving up the most shots.

Also, my response had nothing to do with Draisaitl and Reinhart. It was about the fact that it's irrelevant that 23 and 15 are young