No...but linden is definitely the reason he has an A
- CanuckDon

lol spot on.

"Veteran Leadership"

1) Off the top of my head, Washington, they made a conscious decision during the 03/04 season to strip down their roster and rebuild. That decision along with some great first round drafting is what you're seeing in Washington right now, an extremely competitive team with a chance to win every year. Luck played a part in the Ovechkin year I know.

"McPhee and Caps owner Ted Leonsis made the decision to scrap the team's current lineup in order to dump salaries and begin a youth movement for the team"

The Oilers did, but they had incompetent managers, thus it took changing their management team and some luck to make it work. Looks like they've got a bright future. Pittsburgh. Buffalo did it but they just started a few years ago so you won't see the fruits of it for a few years yet. Los Angeles did it.

You don't have to suck for years on end, I think that's the point you're missing from me?

2) Drafting to build and rebuilding are two separate things, again, something that from my perspective is lost on you.

3) When I speak of drafting and the Canucks in the same sentence, I'm referring to my want for them to use the draft to rebuild, as in multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks over a three year window.

That hasn't happened with Benning yet.
- LeftCoaster

Are you saying that a rebuild isn't possible without a complete tear down?

By having six players left from the former winning club is not doing enough?

Does mentoring from life long Canucks not help establish the new core?

Are you saying that a rebuild isn't possible without a complete tear down?

By having six players left from the former winning club is not doing enough?

Does mentoring from life long Canucks not help establish the new core?
- Nuck4U

Rebuild/Tear Down - same thing.

If we kept 6 players from 2011 and it was 2014, its a different story.

keeping 6 players from 2011 and it now being 2017... That is where the issue is.

lol spot on.

"Veteran Leadership"
- Codes1087

Even our mentors have mentors

lol spot on.

"Veteran Leadership"
- Codes1087

That's a bad thing from a life long Canuck and playoff hero? Something gets passed down to the new young layer that's about to take over. You'd think that would set them up to succeed better going forward. I don't see the harm do you?

That's a bad thing from a life long Canuck and playoff hero? Something gets passed down to the new young layer that's about to take over. You'd think that would set them up to succeed better going forward. I don't see the harm do you?
- Nuck4U

No player is untradeable, no matter what they have done for a franchise.

IE - Gretzky/Oilers.

No player is untradeable, no matter what they have done for a franchise.

IE - Gretzky/Oilers.
- Codes1087

Irrelevant to today considering the salary cap

Rebuild/Tear Down - same thing.

If we kept 6 players from 2011 and it was 2014, its a different story.

keeping 6 players from 2011 and it now being 2017... That is where the issue is.
- Codes1087

I'm not even gonna try anymore, he's just clueless or there's a barrier there that I'm unwilling to find a solution for. It's not that difficult of a concept.

Are you saying that a rebuild isn't possible without a complete tear down?

By having six players left from the former winning club is not doing enough?

Does mentoring from life long Canucks not help establish the new core?
- Nuck4U

Having the Sedin's is enough. Clearly Bo is emerging as a new leader of the team and will influence all incoming players. Again, having edler or tanev and not both, is enough in terms of mentorship. Sbisa looks like a guys that start to fill this role, which takes some of the load off. We also have LE, Sutter and Eg who are professional as can be, regardless of what people might think of their performance. The mentoring from these guys has been great for these players, but how long do you leave the training wheels on before you just let the kids go and fall a bit.

So the answer is, yes keeping six players from the former winning club is not doing enough. Hansen, Burrows, tanev or Edler should be the top priorities to move for pick and prospect packages.

I try not to take anything away from what has been acquired/drafted under the Benning Regime. But just imagine the Canucks acquired a billion 2nd round picks like the Leafs did. Admitted to themselves early that they were a inferior team with who they had. Recognized their core early (like Leafs did with JVR/Kadri/Bozak/Reilly) and started shipping out the rest for picks. Benning's craft is his drafting, so give the man more assets to draft with. More picks the better IMO. Look at Gaudette, 5th round pick and is 4th or 5th in scoring in NCAA. Look at Forsling, another 5th round pick who has a good chance at being an NHL regular one day. Look at Brett Mckenzie, albeit his D+1 year, but is the leading scorer on his team and putting up respectable numbers. I just think, Benning's best work has been through drafting, so why has he not done everything he can to get as many picks as possible. Just my 2 cents.
- Codes1087

I get this and would like to see it too. Back then they didn't seem to have a new group to establish to go off on.

Maybe JB's about to do the draft accumulation now. He's said he's finished putting in a layer of young guys. The moves may have been two fold. Try to be competitive but also support the future core to help transition a "rebuild" to succeed.

Irrelevant to today considering the salary cap
- NorthNuck

Burns/Carter/Thorton/Hossa/Jagr?

No player is untradeable, no matter what they have done for a franchise.

IE - Gretzky/Oilers.
- Codes1087

I did not go there of course anyone could be traded. We were talking about awarding the A and leadership.

I'm not even gonna try anymore, he's just clueless or there's a barrier there that I'm unwilling to find a solution for. It's not that difficult of a concept.
- LeftCoaster

I got your concept. You have narrowed it to a tear down. The definition of what a "rebuild" is or how to do it has different meanings within the hockey world. You can accept that or not. It doesn't make any of us right or wrong. It's all matter of interpretation and perspective on methods and terminology.

I still want the same things as you. A great, entertaining team, that will finally bring this fan base a Cup. We can talk over the finer points of how to do that. In the end we have the same intent.

I did not go there of course anyone could be traded. We were talking about awarding the A and leadership.
- Nuck4U

Oh I see. I misunderstood, I don't think a A or a C should be given to a player based on years of service.

Rebuild/Tear Down - same thing.

If we kept 6 players from 2011 and it was 2014, its a different story.

keeping 6 players from 2011 and it now being 2017... That is where the issue is.
- Codes1087

Sucks when the previous GM leaves you handcuffed to the 2011 core... how do you tear down the Sedins? Edler? Burrows won't be here next season but had an NTC/NMC. Trading Hansen made little sense if you couldn't do the tear down a couple of seasons ago... if your only choice is to ride out the term and hope you get the green light at the end of the contract, then keep Hansen.

The expansion draft and Burrows expiring contract change a few things moving forward so Benning is probably going to make a couple of trades. I never thought for a second his comments about vets were written in stone of even taken in the correct context. These most recent comments out of Benning and Burrows gives me a sense that the team is well aware of the make or break point we are at and it's a monster of a long shot. I wouldn't expect anything big but I sense we are going to get a couple of picks between the 2nd and 4rth rounds before the TDL passes. Between UFA Burrows, exposing a young player to protect Hansen or losing him in the expansion draft, and the recent comments from JB saying if they make a trade, they will probably move a D... plus Sbisa earning JB some asset value and vulnerable to the expansion draft, I do expect a couple of moves.

Burns/Carter/Thorton/Hossa/Jagr?
- Codes1087

Oh i wasn't throwing my hat into the ring for the trading debate just pointing out that the Gretzky trade is irrelevant. I do think that Horvat/Tryamkin/Boeser/Juolevi/Demko are the untradables for us. Basically anybody else I could see being moved.

I try not to take anything away from what has been acquired/drafted under the Benning Regime. But just imagine the Canucks acquired a billion 2nd round picks like the Leafs did. Admitted to themselves early that they were a inferior team with who they had. Recognized their core early (like Leafs did with JVR/Kadri/Bozak/Reilly) and started shipping out the rest for picks. Benning's craft is his drafting, so give the man more assets to draft with. More picks the better IMO. Look at Gaudette, 5th round pick and is 4th or 5th in scoring in NCAA. Look at Forsling, another 5th round pick who has a good chance at being an NHL regular one day. Look at Brett Mckenzie, albeit his D+1 year, but is the leading scorer on his team and putting up respectable numbers. I just think, Benning's best work has been through drafting, so why has he not done everything he can to get as many picks as possible. Just my 2 cents.
- Codes1087

I think this opinion has been expessed on here many-a-times. JB is a scout. Let the man draft talent. That being said, scouts also assess active players too. I personally think JB has done fairly well in this department. Sbisa is looking pretty good, I think Sutter is undervalued, EG people are too hard on given it's his first year(I think much like Sbisa he will trend up, and this way we dont have to sign him for as much). Vey was a bust for sure, Granlund and Sven both look like good deals to me. Dorsett for a 3rd was an awful deal then and now IMO. So he's made a couple duds, but honestly if you look at his tenure in terms of trades he's generating roster players with uptrend. In comparison to the last few management groups, he's done quite well. I found this site which is pretty cool, lets you see all the trades by a given gm

http://www.nhltradetracke...ist_by_GM/Jim_Benning/280

No player is untradeable, no matter what they have done for a franchise.

IE - Gretzky/Oilers.
- Codes1087

I wonder if Gretzky had a NMC, would that trade have happened?


I love cliches but come on....

I wonder if Gretzky had a NMC, would that trade have happened?


I love cliches but come on....
- boonerbuck

LOL hmmm ....stay in frozen hell Edmonton....or sunny Los Angeles

No player is untradeable, no matter what they have done for a franchise.

IE - Gretzky/Oilers.
- Codes1087

Money was also involved in this deal if i remember correctly.

Trade them all !!

Burrows for Matteau
Miller for Niemi and Oleksiak
Sutter for Craig Smith
Sbisa and Virtanen for Jenner
Edler for Lazar
Hansen for Vrana

Rebuild over

Jenner Horvat Eriksson
Sedin Sedin Smith
Baertschi Granlund Vrana
Matteau Lazar Dorsett

Hutton Tanev
Tryamkin Stecher
Oleksiak Gudbranson

Markstrom
Niemi

Sucks when the previous GM leaves you handcuffed to the 2011 core... how do you tear down the Sedins? Edler? Burrows won't be here next season but had an NTC/NMC. Trading Hansen made little sense if you couldn't do the tear down a couple of seasons ago... if your only choice is to ride out the term and hope you get the green light at the end of the contract, then keep Hansen.

The expansion draft and Burrows expiring contract change a few things moving forward so Benning is probably going to make a couple of trades. I never thought for a second his comments about vets were written in stone of even taken in the correct context. These most recent comments out of Benning and Burrows gives me a sense that the team is well aware of the make or break point we are at and it's a monster of a long shot. I wouldn't expect anything big but I sense we are going to get a couple of picks between the 2nd and 4rth rounds before the TDL passes. Between UFA Burrows, exposing a young player to protect Hansen or losing him in the expansion draft, and the recent comments from JB saying if they make a trade, they will probably move a D... plus Sbisa earning JB some asset value and vulnerable to the expansion draft, I do expect a couple of moves.
- boonerbuck

'Not going ask guys to waive NTC's' was Bennings pre-emptive move to get the lazy/crazy media guys off the team's back for a bit. Might also help your negotiating position a bit if you don't announce to the world that you're having a garage sale.

Say what you want about Burrows, but both he and Hansen will be very attractive targets for contenders because of their extensive playoff experience and elite penalty-killing skills.

Sucks when the previous GM leaves you handcuffed to the 2011 core... how do you tear down the Sedins? Edler? Burrows won't be here next season but had an NTC/NMC. Trading Hansen made little sense if you couldn't do the tear down a couple of seasons ago... if your only choice is to ride out the term and hope you get the green light at the end of the contract, then keep Hansen.

The expansion draft and Burrows expiring contract change a few things moving forward so Benning is probably going to make a couple of trades. I never thought for a second his comments about vets were written in stone of even taken in the correct context. These most recent comments out of Benning and Burrows gives me a sense that the team is well aware of the make or break point we are at and it's a monster of a long shot. I wouldn't expect anything big but I sense we are going to get a couple of picks between the 2nd and 4rth rounds before the TDL passes. Between UFA Burrows, exposing a young player to protect Hansen or losing him in the expansion draft, and the recent comments from JB saying if they make a trade, they will probably move a D... plus Sbisa earning JB some asset value and vulnerable to the expansion draft, I do expect a couple of moves.
- boonerbuck

This makes sense and looks probable. Total contrast of reasoning to the panicking and Thesorus interpretations.

If we took back a salary, i wonder is Hansen + Burrows for MTL 1st would work. Those two would instantly solidify a good bottom 6 for MTL and make them favorites to win.

If we took back a salary, i wonder is Hansen + Burrows for MTL 1st would work. Those two would instantly solidify a good bottom 6 for MTL and make them favorites to win.
- Retinalz

I have a feeling that Hansen is going to fetch a pretty good return alone......a 2nd and a nice prospect....