I know Bailey is having this amazing year and should have plenty of value.
- ses111

You bet he is. Why is he not the player in the highest demand? I just can't figure that out. Oh, that's right. He sucks.

You bet he is. Why is he not the player in the highest demand? I just can't figure that out. Oh, that's right. He sucks.
- Isleshockeyman

You can't trade Bailey. Spartiarti would spurt an artery.

You can't trade Bailey. Spartiarti would spurt an artery.
- JohnScammo

The SNY guys talk about Bailey like he was Bossy.

I know Bailey is having this amazing year and should have plenty of value.
- ses111

Hate to say it but he has value bc of 1yr left on contract and able to produce this year, idk what kind of value but i think at least a 3rd round pick possibly.....

You can't trade Bailey. Spartiarti would spurt an artery.
- JohnScammo

His head would explode. Listen, i applaud him for sticking to his guns and conviction about Bailey. There comes a time though when you have to take the blinders off and understand the supporting cast. You look around, any sport, guys that had a successful season or 2 and then got traded or chased free agency and sucked. Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Martin (sorry, but he ain't that good), Jim Leyritz, Carmello Anthony. I'm not real sure about 'Mello, but he hasn't done anything with the Knicks. All these guys chased the UFA $ and pretty much failed. Why? Because it had to do with who was around them and the systems they played in. You might even make a case for Scotty Pippen. Once he left Chicago, his production dropped. Maybe it was age, twilight of his career. When he was with the Bulls though, holy hell was he great.

Hate to say it but he has value bc of 1yr left on contract and able to produce this year, idk what kind of value but i think at least a 3rd round pick possibly.....
- Ur Not Me

Maybe a 3rd, but i think anyone scouting him for potential trade sees his non-existent defense. If i see it from my couch, you know the scouts are seeing it. Maybe that's his plan to stay. "if they see i don't play D, then i can't get traded".

And Grabner just scored his 24th goal for the Rangers. But all is good, because Garth was able to hold onto Bailey and Kulemin and Graboski and Strome and .....

Plus, Garth got 5 AHL players back in the trade.

Edit: And Grabner just scored his 25th goal....

Hate to say it but he has value bc of 1yr left on contract and able to produce this year, idk what kind of value but i think at least a 3rd round pick possibly.....
- Ur Not Me

I hope you are right UR. Many people will just credit JT for Bailey production. If Garth is still GM then Bailey is going nowhere.

I hope you are right UR. Many people will just credit JT for Bailey production. If Garth is still GM then Bailey is going nowhere.
- ses111

How can you not think JT is responsible for Bailey's production? I'm not saying Bailey has no talent, but for crying out loud, what has he done without him? He's a slug. To say he's a defensive liability is to say the Titanic took on a little water. He sucks. You're right though, as long as Snow is in charge, he's here to stay.

How can you not think JT is responsible for Bailey's production? I'm not saying Bailey has no talent, but for crying out loud, what has he done without him? He's a slug. To say he's a defensive liability is to say the Titanic took on a little water. He sucks. You're right though, as long as Snow is in charge, he's here to stay.
- Isleshockeyman

Bailey having only one more year on his deal helps, but most teams will just point to JT for Bailey's production this year. Maybe a team like Arizona off another lousy year will have interest? It's very hard for me to watch forwards like Bailey when I watched guys like Gillies, Nystrom, Tonelli, and the Sutters to name a few back in the day. I do not enjoy games like yesterday. I agree the NHL could use more offense, but not that much and not from a total lack of defense.

Maybe a 3rd, but i think anyone scouting him for potential trade sees his non-existent defense. If i see it from my couch, you know the scouts are seeing it. Maybe that's his plan to stay. "if they see i don't play D, then i can't get traded".
- Isleshockeyman

Regardless of his overall play, teams look to fill out bottom 6 spots and as crazy it may sound his 1yr left and reasonable contract is movable.

If Fiddler gets a 4th, Bailey is much better...

Bailey having only one more year on his deal helps, but most teams will just point to JT for Bailey's production this year. Maybe a team like Arizona off another lousy year will have interest? It's very hard for me to watch forwards like Bailey when I watched guys like Gillies, Nystrom, Tonelli, and the Sutters to name a few back in the day. I do not enjoy games like yesterday. I agree the NHL could use more offense, but not that much and not from a total lack of defense.
- ses111

I get that, but you have to understand something. This is not even close to the same NHL. I know you know that, but it's completely different. The rules are different, the equipment is different, the arenas are different, the training is different. Also, there were a lot less teams then. Talent is watered down now. Guys that make it now, wouldn't even have had a sniff back then. Yes the guys are bigger, faster, stronger and are in better shape. Even going into training camp they're in much better shape. Hence the term 'mid-season form'. You have to watch it with a different set of eyes than you did back then.

I get that, but you have to understand something. This is not even close to the same NHL. I know you know that, but it's completely different. The rules are different, the equipment is different, the arenas are different, the training is different. Also, there were a lot less teams then. Talent is watered down now. Guys that make it now, wouldn't even have had a sniff back then. Yes the guys are bigger, faster, stronger and are in better shape. Even going into training camp they're in much better shape. Hence the term 'mid-season form'. You have to watch it with a different set of eyes than you did back then.
- Isleshockeyman

This is all true hockeyman, but I struggle when guys do not play that two way game. As much as I love JT as an offensive player, he frustrates the frank out of me in the defensive zone. I do not expect these guys to be fighters or complete shutdown defensive players, but have an idea and give a better effort in the D zone. D is about hustle and will and it can be improved a lot.

Regardless of his overall play, teams look to fill out bottom 6 spots and as crazy it may sound his 1yr left and reasonable contract is movable.

If Fiddler gets a 4th, Bailey is much better...
- Ur Not Me

I'm not arguing that at all. However, you can't compare one trade to another. We all want to, but you can't. Larsson for Hall doesn't set the trade bar. It was 2 teams that agreed those players would help their own teams. Fiddler went for a 4th. Ok, but that doesn't set the market for bottom 6 players. There were guys that got traded for 2nd or 3rd round picks that i thought for sure would bring a mother lode (names are eluding me at the moment)(yes, drinking). Bailey does have some value, and yes he does have some talent, i just think he's here to stay unless Snow gets the axe.

Regardless of his overall play, teams look to fill out bottom 6 spots and as crazy it may sound his 1yr left and reasonable contract is movable.

If Fiddler gets a 4th, Bailey is much better...
- Ur Not Me

You would think someone would take him and especially with a year left and off of a decent season. Bailey has only been on the Isles and is not seen as a trouble maker who has bounced around team to team.

This is all true hockeyman, but I struggle when guys do not play that two way game. As much as I love JT as an offensive player, he frustrates the frank out of me in the defensive zone. I do not expect these guys to be fighters or complete shutdown defensive players, but have an idea and give a better effort in the D zone. D is about hustle and will and it can be improved a lot.
- ses111

I absolutely agree. Jt's defensive ply doesn't frustrate me so much because he's putting in the effort. What does frustrate me about it is when he tries to do too much. He overstays his shift or takes himself out of position. Why the (frank) are you below the goal line with both D-men battling with their 1 winger and leaving your man in the slot wide open? That sort of thing. Bailey is just (frank)ing lazy. He doesn't move, he doesn't even try to poke or sweep check! (frank) sake, man, let one of your hands go and try to take a passing lane away. Try stepping in front of someone. Try hitting somebody and separating them from the puck. I get that he's only interested in offense. Fine. Guess what? If you take the puck away in your own zone, you transition to offense. What a concept.

You would think someone would take him and especially with a year left and off of a decent season. Bailey has only been on the Isles and is not seen as a trouble maker who has bounced around team to team.
- ses111

You're right, but like you said, he's not going anywhere. He's one of Snow's little puppies and will be treated as such until someone new sits in the GM's chair.

Regardless of his overall play, teams look to fill out bottom 6 spots and as crazy it may sound his 1yr left and reasonable contract is movable.

If Fiddler gets a 4th, Bailey is much better...
- Ur Not Me

Excuses me but Bailey is a 1st line RW

I absolutely agree. Jt's defensive ply doesn't frustrate me so much because he's putting in the effort. What does frustrate me about it is when he tries to do too much. He overstays his shift or takes himself out of position. Why the (frank) are you below the goal line with both D-men battling with their 1 winger and leaving your man in the slot wide open? That sort of thing. Bailey is just (frank)ing lazy. He doesn't move, he doesn't even try to poke or sweep check! (frank) sake, man, let one of your hands go and try to take a passing lane away. Try stepping in front of someone. Try hitting somebody and separating them from the puck. I get that he's only interested in offense. Fine. Guess what? If you take the puck away in your own zone, you transition to offense. What a concept.
- Isleshockeyman

I just prefer guys like Trottier, Stevie Y, and Toews to JT. It's a different sport, but JT reminds me of Carmelo Anthony and both guys being strictly offense. I hold out hope a proven coach will be able to do something with JT and the rest of the teams D. I know having Cappy as coach for 7 years has hurt a lot of these players.

You're right, but like you said, he's not going anywhere. He's one of Snow's little puppies and will be treated as such until someone new sits in the GM's chair.
- Isleshockeyman

Why are we trading off Bailey for a draft pick now? Have we given up on making the playoffs this season?? As much as I hate Bailey's game, he has been somewhat valuable lately on JT's wing. Not sure whom I would replace him with from our current roster...

Then again, if Colorado wants to trade us Duchene or Landeskog for Bailey and DeHaan, I guess I'd have to listen.

Why are we trading off Bailey for a draft pick now? Have we given up on making the playoffs this season?? As much as I hate Bailey's game, he has been somewhat valuable lately on JT's wing. Not sure whom I would replace him with from our current roster...

Then again, if Colorado wants to trade us Duchene or Landeskog for Bailey and DeHaan, I guess I'd have to listen.
- JohnScammo

It would be trading Bailey in the offseason. Bailey,Halak, or Kulemin's contract might have to go in a deal with Colorado.

His head would explode. Listen, i applaud him for sticking to his guns and conviction about Bailey. There comes a time though when you have to take the blinders off and understand the supporting cast. You look around, any sport, guys that had a successful season or 2 and then got traded or chased free agency and sucked. Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Martin (sorry, but he ain't that good), Jim Leyritz, Carmello Anthony. I'm not real sure about 'Mello, but he hasn't done anything with the Knicks. All these guys chased the UFA $ and pretty much failed. Why? Because it had to do with who was around them and the systems they played in. You might even make a case for Scotty Pippen. Once he left Chicago, his production dropped. Maybe it was age, twilight of his career. When he was with the Bulls though, holy hell was he great.
- Isleshockeyman

Really Matt Martin? He's doing exactly what he's paid to do which isn't much as far as pro NHL hockey players and Babcock and his teammates love him. 7 points plus 2. Takes care of business when someone phucks with his teammates.
I appreciate your list of guys who were at one level and then sucked but you forgot Andrew Ladd

Really Matt Martin? He's doing exactly what he's OVERpaid to do which isn't much as far as pro NHL hockey players and Babcock and his teammates love him. 7 points plus 2.
I appreciate your list of guys who were at one level and then sucked but you forgot Andrew Ladd
- nyisles7

Fixed

Fixed
- JohnScammo

5.5 for 7 years nothing else needs to be said.

Really Matt Martin? He's doing exactly what he's paid to do which isn't much as far as pro NHL hockey players and Babcock and his teammates love him. 7 points plus 2. Takes care of business when someone phucks with his teammates.
I appreciate your list of guys who were at one level and then sucked but you forgot Andrew Ladd
- nyisles7

Hockeyman did a no no going after KO, Frans, or Martin. You know 7 the only thing that made Ladd suck was a bad back.