Big night against the defensively inept Leafs. Old school hockey with them, 6-5, the last few games I think.
- LeftCoaster

They are horrible

Some owners get impatient for sure, however, when American teams can sit in the weeds (at/near the bottom) and draft well (key point) they put themselves in a better position to win it all.
- LeftCoaster

Tell that to the Coyotes, Avalanche, Sabres (but even they traded assets for E. Kane/Bogosian). They might have drafted well, but that hasn't helped them much, again drafting well doesn't mean squat if you aren't willing to sell some of that talent and try and be competitive. It's fine to amass lots of talent, but you need to take that next step or else you'll have to sell everyone off and start over again and have nothing to show for it.

Man this Road Trip is going to kill Vancouver

Worst road record in the NHL.

I believe so..crazy tools
- CanuckDon

he hasnt had the opportunity under WD.

guess he wasnt down with dishing out the hand job like megna chapoo and skille were

Actually your theory is flawed, not once did I ever mention a timeline, you did, for some reason? You haven't a clue yet you just make assumptions all the time, thus I don't converse with you much.
- LeftCoaster

You have and do and just did about sitting in the weeds to keep drafting. I'm basically saying the same things as Darius. Except you don't want to accept it when its coming from me. Like it's going to lower your street credit with the hecklers or something.

Some owners get impatient for sure, however, when American teams can sit in the weeds (at/near the bottom) and draft well (key point) they put themselves in a better position to win it all.
- LeftCoaster

Teams in the States that are at the bottom usually are because of incompetence and ownership not willing to spend money.

The lack of a spot light let's them get away from spending. But it doesn't mean the team improves or can contend for Cups accumulating high draft picks.

Drafting well means you are doing something right and are compentent. Sitting in the weeds doesn't. You can't have it both ways. Why the theory is flawed.

Some owners get impatient for sure, however, when American teams can sit in the weeds (at/near the bottom) and draft well (key point) they put themselves in a better position to win it all.
- LeftCoaster

The Caps draft history is an interesting one in the last 12 years. Pretty much as ineffective as the Oilers with non first round pick (sans Holtby) but absolutely smashing it on their 1st round picks.
OV
Green
Backstrom
Alzner
Carlson
Johansson
Kuznetsov
Burakowsky
Forsberg

Then other than Holtby and Orlov, there's nothing there after 1st round

Tell that to the Coyotes, Avalanche, Sabres (but even they traded assets for E. Kane/Bogosian). They might have drafted well, but that hasn't helped them much, again drafting well doesn't mean squat if you aren't willing to sell some of that talent and try and be competitive. It's fine to amass lots of talent, but you need to take that next step or else you'll have to sell everyone off and start over again and have nothing to show for it.
- DariusKnight

Im not sure thats logical, or perhaps the way its worded is throwing off your meaning.
You'll have to sell everyone off n have nothing to show for it if you dont trade some of your talent? Please explain.

A team that had good long term success and a few cups is detroit. I recall they drafted well but dont ever really remember them making much trades. It was usually UFAs and holding onto their dratees if I remember correctly. Think the only trades they usually made were TDL rentals

https://www.draftsite.com.../michael-rasmussen/25948/

One of the better reviews on Rasmussen. They have him going 4th in mock draft, behind Patrick, Hischier & Vilardi.
Anyone of those 4 kids would be very nice.

Claude Julien. What's the possibility he comes to Vancouver?

Im not sure thats logical, or perhaps the way its worded is throwing off your meaning.
You'll have to sell everyone off n have nothing to show for it if you dont trade some of your talent? Please explain.

A team that had good long term success and a few cups is detroit. I recall they drafted well but dont ever really remember them making much trades. It was usually UFAs and holding onto their dratees if I remember correctly. Think the only trades they usually made were TDL rentals
- SMBDragon

Well, at some point in the cycle, you need to be at least making the playoffs regularily and doing damage in them and threatening to be a contender. Otherwise you're going to be wasting all the early and cheap years you have with the talent you drafted. In a cap world, you can't keep everybody, eventually your talent is going to want to get paid.

Not to mention that without success over time, eventually your GM is going to get fired and the new GM is going to want to put his own plan for respectability in place, which may mean that a house cleaning of talent the old GM collected. Which is why I said that the idea of just drafting well and amassing draft picks isn't always the best idea and you need to be able to trade for and sign UFAs that can help you make that jump from also-rans to respectable and then finally to being contenders.

It doesn't always work out that way of course, all the shrewd moves and proper drafting can end up not working out for various reasons like injuries, problems with chemistry, underperformance and inability to install a winning culture in the locker room. That's why being bad and using that as a rebuild strategy is very dangerous, the regular season is such a grind that it requires a massive amount of mental fortitude to get through it. Players by nature are extremely competitive and want to win, but if you're constantly selling off veterans for draft picks and stripping the team of leadership and experience in order to rebuild, it's easy for players to become disengaged at a certain point and maybe not exactly stop playing as hard as they can, but at least worry more about themselves and their next contract. When that happens year after year, it becomes ingrained and it's very hard to get out of the mindset of "Well it's another lost season" when inevitably slumps happen.

Playoff performers don't accept slumps and kill themselves to help get their team out of it. That lifts the rest of the guys who might more out for themselves and make them more willing to sacrifice themselves, raising their level of play. It's the whole question of leadership and the experience of those who've been there as compared to youth who've experienced nothing but success in minor hockey through junior and then are faced with no longer having that same success and experiencing adversity that might go on for years.

tl;dr rebuilding teams can't rely solely on drafting and draft picks to become playoff teams, they need to be willing to sell off some of that talent and spend money to get players who can help install the culture needed to win in the regular season and then in the playoffs.

Claude Julien. What's the possibility he comes to Vancouver?
- Supirium99

Wasn't it Vantel that said Julien would be coaching here next year?

Wasn't it Vantel that said Julien would be coaching here next year?
- LordHumungous

Well I hope he's right. Hopefully before the end of this year. You know Benning has probably already phoned his ol buddy.

Wasn't it Vantel that said Julien would be coaching here next year?
- LordHumungous

I meant in the Summer.

So any topic of note to discuss at this point?

Draft
Trades @ TDL....offseason
Coaching
Players
Vegas expansion
Tanking versus development
Sleeping until the season is over
Making fun of posters
Trolling

Have I left anything out?
- Nuck4U

Maybe push yourself away from the keyboard and go out for some fresh NY air.

Well, at some point in the cycle, you need to be at least making the playoffs regularily and doing damage in them and threatening to be a contender. Otherwise you're going to be wasting all the early and cheap years you have with the talent you drafted. In a cap world, you can't keep everybody, eventually your talent is going to want to get paid.

Not to mention that without success over time, eventually your GM is going to get fired and the new GM is going to want to put his own plan for respectability in place, which may mean that a house cleaning of talent the old GM collected. Which is why I said that the idea of just drafting well and amassing draft picks isn't always the best idea and you need to be able to trade for and sign UFAs that can help you make that jump from also-rans to respectable and then finally to being contenders.

It doesn't always work out that way of course, all the shrewd moves and proper drafting can end up not working out for various reasons like injuries, problems with chemistry, underperformance and inability to install a winning culture in the locker room. That's why being bad and using that as a rebuild strategy is very dangerous, the regular season is such a grind that it requires a massive amount of mental fortitude to get through it. Players by nature are extremely competitive and want to win, but if you're constantly selling off veterans for draft picks and stripping the team of leadership and experience in order to rebuild, it's easy for players to become disengaged at a certain point and maybe not exactly stop playing as hard as they can, but at least worry more about themselves and their next contract. When that happens year after year, it becomes ingrained and it's very hard to get out of the mindset of "Well it's another lost season" when inevitably slumps happen.

Playoff performers don't accept slumps and kill themselves to help get their team out of it. That lifts the rest of the guys who might more out for themselves and make them more willing to sacrifice themselves, raising their level of play. It's the whole question of leadership and the experience of those who've been there as compared to youth who've experienced nothing but success in minor hockey through junior and then are faced with no longer having that same success and experiencing adversity that might go on for years.

tl;dr rebuilding teams can't rely solely on drafting and draft picks to become playoff teams, they need to be willing to sell off some of that talent and spend money to get players who can help install the culture needed to win in the regular season and then in the playoffs.
- DariusKnight

Maybe push yourself away from the keyboard and go out for some fresh NY air.




- Bowel-Auger

- Marwood

Every night man, every night.

It's getting to the point that most times, the other posters just call it quits.

Every night man, every night.

It's getting to the point that most times, the other posters just call it quits.
- golfingsince

He kills threads. Dead.

He kills threads. Dead.
- Marwood

I came to lurk and there's absolutely nothing being said

He kills threads. Dead.
- Marwood

Our Buzz killer

Every night man, every night.

It's getting to the point that most times, the other posters just call it quits.
- golfingsince

I honestly think half of it is a language barrier. I private messaged him a few months ago and he had told me he speaks a few different languages, not sure if English is his primary. I also think that he uses words that don't work with the message he is trying to deliver, which often get interpreted as a hostile statement or response. The part that I think rubs people the wrong way, and which lumps him in the group of people that other posters don't get along with, is that there seems to be a rebuttle or argument for everything posted. While he may interpret that as simple hockey discussion, I think most of the posters find it old and tiring to constantly feel they have to further explain a statement that warrants no further explanation.

He kills threads. Dead.
- Marwood

So do I, but at least I acknowledge that I'm a bad poster, what's his excuse?

I honestly think half of it is a language barrier. I private messaged him a few months ago and he had told me he speaks a few different languages, not sure if English is his primary. I also think that he uses words that don't work with the message he is trying to deliver, which often get interpreted as a hostile statement or response. The part that I think rubs people the wrong way, and which lumps him in the group of people that other posters don't get along with, is that there seems to be a rebuttle or argument for everything posted. While he may interpret that as simple hockey discussion, I think most of the posters find it old and tiring to constantly feel they have to further explain a statement that warrants no further explanation.
- Codes1087

Whatever. He annoys the f*ck out of most people here.

I honestly think half of it is a language barrier. I private messaged him a few months ago and he had told me he speaks a few different languages, not sure if English is his primary. I also think that he uses words that don't work with the message he is trying to deliver, which often get interpreted as a hostile statement or response. The part that I think rubs people the wrong way, and which lumps him in the group of people that other posters don't get along with, is that there seems to be a rebuttle or argument for everything posted. While he may interpret that as simple hockey discussion, I think most of the posters find it old and tiring to constantly feel they have to further explain a statement that warrants no further explanation.
- Codes1087

He is pretty hostile, and often tries to tell you what you're saying instead of letting you tell him what you're saying.

The need to be a part of EVERY conversation? This was perhaps best illustrated during the SB of which he wanted no part, but kept going at it trying to engage. I'm pretty sure he would mention the SB, Trump, then back to hockey in all the messages.