Booner, i'm pretty sure Burke did trade Bure for Jovo. Keenan was strictly coaching at that time.
- golfingsince

You are right. It comes back now. Keenan said he had a better trade set up and Burke didn't want to follow through when he took the GM job from Keenan who had it briefly. If I recall, Keenan's trade didn't look like it was better later in hind sight at all. I can't even remember who the players were he mentioned... Adam Graves? I forget...

You are right. It comes back now. Keenan said he had a better trade set up and Burke didn't want to follow through when he took the GM job from Keenan who had it briefly. If I recall, Keenan's trade didn't look like it was better later in hind sight at all. I can't even remember who the players were he mentioned... Adam Graves? I forget...

- boonerbuck

Keenan wanted a return for Bure so badly to insert into his lineup he would have traded him for just about anything.

He did however make that awesome Bertuzzi trade.......twice!

i'd agree with you about keeping your young assets. But guddy isn't exactly ancient, he's only 25.

My only reasoning for keeping him over Hutton was just to have a bit of diversity on the back end. Can't have all skill guys or just all stay at home types. But the Canucks need to move one of them for some help up front.... 1) to help them win more 2) to make the games watchable for Canuck fans!
- Mungo

That's true, but he is a 25 year old who has played 350+ games in the NHL, he isn't likely to change his stripes anytime soon.

I also think that you need a mix of grit and skill, I just think that you can find grit much easier than skill.

Did you see how fat he looked in Sept? I posted it a week or two ago. Looked like beer fat to me. Then the rumors about reporting out of shape. Then he played like a slug for weeks. That can screw up a whole season for a young player. Guys who have been playing in the NHL for many years can pull it off sometimes... coach has no time for that in a 20 year old though.

If he reports to camp chisel cut and ready to make a statement, I expect him to get a lot more leash from the coach and eventually start controlling the play on his shifts like he was doing before. You look at his stats. Puck was almost always in the offensive end in 15/16, especially after the WJC.


I don't like the kids attitude at all. He'll not likely be a player I personally like. That was the way I always was with Kesler and Burrows. Good players none the less.
- boonerbuck

I remember when you posted that picture, I was amazed at how much he reminded me of the fat kid I grew up with. As a fan of that type of player I was pretty disappointed. Hoping he is past that and it sounds like he is ready to try make an impact hopefully next season.

I'm not sure I agree, why does WD get credit for the team working hard? A coaches job is to prepare his team and implement a style of hockey. A players job is to work hard and do what the coach asks them to do.
- belcherbd

though players seem to like him and listen or try. Just not sure it all works. What he wants and what they can do set up like that. Well the players also make mistakes as well. Guess it's two ways.

Too early to say that. It may only take an adjustment period. Give him a sense of belonging to boost his confidence. If you asked me late last season if he was going to be part of the core, the answer was easy. Yes. He was playing very solid. Surprisingly great analytics, defensively sound, and skating hard. Then we saw a different side of him during/after the summer.
- boonerbuck

In comparison, from Jakes draft class, theres a bunch of kids drafted between 5-20 that are not much further in their development either, i doubt their teams have given up on them.

Dal Colle, Fleury, Ritchie, Fiala,Perlini, Vrana ,Honka, Tuch, Milano, Sanhiem, DeAngelo
some of them haven't played an NHL game yet, some are having success at the AHL level.

JV weight is interesting to me - I know for myself losing 7-10lbs made a huge difference in my on ice speed, recovery time, 3 step explosiveness (mind you i'm still a terrible player) SO for him to lose 15lbs i'm sure Jake is figuring out how to use his body and the limits it has on his game. Also, Keep in mind Banks and Hamilton arnt production guys, but as AHL lifers, i'm sure they're teaching him professionalism, which he needs first and foremost.

We picked him bus theres no forward on the team that hits, or plays that style of game. We drafted him, now we're developing him.

In comparison, from Jakes draft class, theres a bunch of kids drafted between 5-20 that are not much further in their development either, i doubt their teams have given up on them.

Dal Colle, Fleury, Ritchie, Fiala,Perlini, Vrana ,Honka, Tuch, Milano, Sanhiem, DeAngelo
some of them haven't played an NHL game yet, some are having success at the AHL level.

JV weight is interesting to me - I know for myself losing 7-10lbs made a huge difference in my on ice speed, recovery time, 3 step explosiveness (mind you i'm still a terrible player) SO for him to lose 15lbs i'm sure Jake is figuring out how to use his body and the limits it has on his game. Also, Keep in mind Banks and Hamilton arnt production guys, but as AHL lifers, i'm sure they're teaching him professionalism, which he needs first and foremost.

We picked him bus theres no forward on the team that hits, or plays that style of game. We drafted him, now we're developing him.
- Brooks_Light

Finally.... The whole weight thing is a joke, I'm sure he deserves most the blame for coming in as heavy as he is. That said how does a player get that big while training with the organization staff and then start in the NHL ?

Either they decided they wouldn't hold him accountable for not being in shape or wanted him to come in and play at a heavier weight.

In comparison, from Jakes draft class, theres a bunch of kids drafted between 5-20 that are not much further in their development either, i doubt their teams have given up on them.

Dal Colle, Fleury, Ritchie, Fiala,Perlini, Vrana ,Honka, Tuch, Milano, Sanhiem, DeAngelo
some of them haven't played an NHL game yet, some are having success at the AHL level.

JV weight is interesting to me - I know for myself losing 7-10lbs made a huge difference in my on ice speed, recovery time, 3 step explosiveness (mind you i'm still a terrible player) SO for him to lose 15lbs i'm sure Jake is figuring out how to use his body and the limits it has on his game. Also, Keep in mind Banks and Hamilton arnt production guys, but as AHL lifers, i'm sure they're teaching him professionalism, which he needs first and foremost.

We picked him bus theres no forward on the team that hits, or plays that style of game. We drafted him, now we're developing him.
- Brooks_Light

I think he needed to lose the weight.

Finally.... The whole weight thing is a joke, I'm sure he deserves most the blame for coming in as heavy as he is. That said how does a player get that big while training with the organization staff and then start in the NHL ?

Either they decided they wouldn't hold him accountable for not being in shape or wanted him to come in and play at a heavier weight.
- belcherbd

yeah he probably thought he could handle it. That it wouldn't affect him as much and he could play a more physical game or maybe he spent the summer with Big Buff, crushing beers and driving motor boats???????

I think he needed to lose the weight.
- Codes1087

he looks like Mac from Its Always Sunny, the season he got fat...

i'd agree with you about keeping your young assets. But guddy isn't exactly ancient, he's only 25.

My only reasoning for keeping him over Hutton was just to have a bit of diversity on the back end. Can't have all skill guys or just all stay at home types. But the Canucks need to move one of them for some help up front.... 1) to help them win more 2) to make the games watchable for Canuck fans!
- Mungo

I get your reasoning. So you didn't have Sbisa in the mix for D. If he and Granlund/Hansen could sway a trade for Kane then it's more acceptable at TDL. I'd add Subban too. But anyone else we should be looking at off season deal.

Looks like Jake is turning a corner, more kudos for Green.

http://www.uticaod.com/sp...rtanen-reliability-is-key
- belcherbd

Thanks. good read

i'd agree with you about keeping your young assets. But guddy isn't exactly ancient, he's only 25.

My only reasoning for keeping him over Hutton was just to have a bit of diversity on the back end. Can't have all skill guys or just all stay at home types. But the Canucks need to move one of them for some help up front.... 1) to help them win more 2) to make the games watchable for Canuck fans!
- Mungo

100%. Keep Gud and trade Hutton

I think he needed to lose the weight.
- Codes1087

He doesn't even look healthy.

I get your reasoning. So you didn't have Sbisa in the mix for D. If he and Granlund/Hansen could sway a trade for Kane then it's more acceptable at TDL. I'd add Subban too. But anyone else we should be looking at off season deal.
- Nuck4U

Could always keep Sbisa and start Joulevi in Utica. I really don't have an issue starting some of our prospects there to start their career. I think it's good for them to have to work their way up instead of having it handed to them. Plus the Utica fans have been pretty awesome. Might as well throw them a few bones and have some of our top picks play down there for a bit.

he looks like Mac from Its Always Sunny, the season he got fat...
- Brooks_Light

Yes, yes he does.

Could always keep Sbisa and start Joulevi in Utica. I really don't have an issue starting some of our prospects there to start their career. I think it's good for them to have to work their way up instead of having it handed to them. Plus the Utica fans have been pretty awesome. Might as well throw them a few bones and have some of our top picks play down there for a bit.
- Mungo

OJ too young for AHL

Edler-Tanev.
Liljegren-Tryamkin
Hutton-Gudbranson
+
Sbisa
Stetcher
Juolvei.

via TSN’s Craig Button,

“Very gifted skater who uses his feet to his advantage defensively and in transition. Smart, poised, anticipates the play, sees where to exploit opponents and can dictate play in all areas. Excellent in the defensive zone because he beats pressure, fends it off and the puck gets moving ahead quickly. Has a command of the game and he finds a way to be a contributor at critical times.”

NHL Player Comparison: Erik Karlsson, Victor Hedman

Now that's a D-core

Edler-Tanev.
Liljegren-Tryamkin
Hutton-Gudbranson
+
Sbisa
Stetcher
Juolvei.

via TSN’s Craig Button,

“Very gifted skater who uses his feet to his advantage defensively and in transition. Smart, poised, anticipates the play, sees where to exploit opponents and can dictate play in all areas. Excellent in the defensive zone because he beats pressure, fends it off and the puck gets moving ahead quickly. Has a command of the game and he finds a way to be a contributor at critical times.”

NHL Player Comparison: Erik Karlsson, Victor Hedman

Now that's a D-core
- Whiskey-Tango

RHD

OJ too young for AHL
- VANTEL

I could be wrong but I think he would actually be eligible because he is on loan to the London knights from Jokerit and falls under the European rules that don't stipulate an age restriction.

Finally.... The whole weight thing is a joke, I'm sure he deserves most the blame for coming in as heavy as he is. That said how does a player get that big while training with the organization staff and then start in the NHL ?

Either they decided they wouldn't hold him accountable for not being in shape or wanted him to come in and play at a heavier weight.
- belcherbd

Doesn't sound like JV wants to listen. Hank criticized him last season about off ice and being professional. It doesn't sound like the Canucks staff were happy at all with how he reported. The coach sure as hell didn't for those weeks he blubbered around on the ice.

Unless they assign him a baby sitter during the summer, how do you control him? I think of other kids we had who took it upon themselves to join camps and hire trainers to improve. Whether they make it in the league or not, they are solely focussed on their career. Sounds like JV is more interested in clubbing.

Yes, yes he does.




- Whiskey-Tango

So cruel...

Edit: Jake looks a little plumper actually. He's all dark around the eyes too... I can smell the fumes around him. Probably why the interview is outside. Brings back memories of being released from the drunk tank and puking on their steps in the 90's.

I could be wrong but I think he would actually be eligible because he is on loan to the London knights from Jokerit and falls under the European rules that don't stipulate an age restriction.
- belcherbd

Interesting

I could be wrong but I think he would actually be eligible because he is on loan to the London knights from Jokerit and falls under the European rules that don't stipulate an age restriction.
- belcherbd

I am almost certain he is not on loan from Jokerit.

So cruel...
- boonerbuck

This fanbase has turned on JV way to quickly...kind of sad really. he is 20