If he plays well for VAN you can flip him for a pick at the deadline

I understand that he takes up a roster spot of a developing player - so I see why VAN wouldn't. But, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if they did pick him up. All I'm saying.
- twiztedmike

The Canucks don't have the cap space and he's a waiver pick up so he can't he traded. (frank) off troll!!!

The Canucks don't have the cap space and he's a waiver pick up so he can't he traded. (frank) off troll!!!
- A_SteamingLombardi

Once a team claims a player from waivers, it may not trade that player unless it first offers him to any other teams who made waiver claims for him.

Once a team claims a player from waivers, it may not trade that player unless it first offers him to any other teams who made waiver claims for him.
- twiztedmike

You missed the part after he mentioned trade. Your reading comprehension is dreadful.

Lot's of mutual admiration when one team is dominant over the other. I watched the SJ broadcast last night, and both commentators mentioned several times how the Canucks were a hard working team that never quit, and not to take them for granted.

WD does have the team working hard for sure. Can't really ask more from a coach, can you? Chicken salad from chicken sh...
- we_are_all_canucks

I'm not sure I agree, why does WD get credit for the team working hard? A coaches job is to prepare his team and implement a style of hockey. A players job is to work hard and do what the coach asks them to do.

I know people harp on off ice issues but I see JV and Kane as changed players. Their talent says it could work. They have speed, and scoring ability with their hitting power forward game. It looks attractive for next season. What's the price for Kane though? That's the issue. Maybe off season move. Don't see TDL move as it's too pricy for buyer.
- Nuck4U

I would trade Hutton for Kane.... i would see if you could get a pick out of Buffalo as well since Kane makes a lot more $$$ and is closer to being a UFA.

Before people get up in arms about trading a young player keep in mind Kane is only 25 (only 2 years older than Hutton)

Canucks D core for next year would still be okay as well

Edler-Stetcher
Tryamkin-Tanev
Juolevi-Gudbranson

all three sets have a puck mover and a big body presence

You missed the part after he mentioned cap space. Your reading comprehension is dreadful.
- Marwood

DEADLINE CAP SPACE : $1,971,279 (4,572,245 with LTIR relief) (its a little less now)

I believe he would be pro-rated so you wouldn't be on the hook for the full 3.5 mil cap hit, but half of it (since we're about halfway through the season)

Looks like Jake is turning a corner, more kudos for Green.

http://www.uticaod.com/sp...rtanen-reliability-is-key

DEADLINE CAP SPACE : $1,971,279 (4,572,245 with LTIR relief) (its a little less now)

I believe he would be pro-rated so you wouldn't be on the hook for the full 3.5 mil cap hit, but half of it (since we're about halfway through the season)
- twiztedmike

You still did not get it. Fack off.

Virtanen I wouldn't consider part of the core anymore.
- classic321

Too early to say that. It may only take an adjustment period. Give him a sense of belonging to boost his confidence. If you asked me late last season if he was going to be part of the core, the answer was easy. Yes. He was playing very solid. Surprisingly great analytics, defensively sound, and skating hard. Then we saw a different side of him during/after the summer.

You still did not get it. Fack off.
- Reubenkincade

Does anybody ask nicely these days? Have a nice day.

I would trade Hutton for Kane.... i would see if you could get a pick out of Buffalo as well since Kane makes a lot more $$$ and is closer to being a UFA.

Before people get up in arms about trading a young player keep in mind Kane is only 25 (only 2 years older than Hutton)

Canucks D core for next year would still be okay as well

Edler-Stetcher
Tryamkin-Tanev
Juolevi-Gudbranson

all three sets have a puck mover and a big body presence
- Mungo

I wouldn't be really upset getting Kane, I just don't like the idea of moving on from Hutton yet. I still think he might have the most potential to be an offensive contributor from the back end.

I would have absolutely no problem moving Guddy for Kane though, and that isn't necessarily meant as a dis to Guddy but he is less important with the emergence of some guys IMO and I doubt will ever be more than a physical bottom pairing defenceman which are easier to acquire than a puck moving defenceman.

IMO we shouldn't be moving any picks or young players who are still developing.

Lot's of mutual admiration when one team is dominant over the other. I watched the SJ broadcast last night, and both commentators mentioned several times how the Canucks were a hard working team that never quit, and not to take them for granted.

WD does have the team working hard for sure. Can't really ask more from a coach, can you? Chicken salad from chicken sh...
- we_are_all_canucks

For sure and you have to give WD credit here for some great work ethic...but make no mistake this is not a playoff team like MNGT thinks. There is no depth from 'within' that will get us to the PO's and even if we traded for Kane we would still be short some depth.

But I agree Kudos to WD for squeezing this out of them and considering he is working with a half-AHL club the fact that they are only 4 pts back of the WC spot is unreal.

Does anybody ask nicely these days? Have a nice day.
- twiztedmike

People freaking out over nothing.

Grab a play maker first round . Second round Ratcliffe . Third round Rasanen


- VANTEL

I would love to get Ratcliffe in the second round. He seems to be ranked in the second half of the first round and I agree with that... I don't see him going lower than 20 now. He's getting noticed. He's been playing bigger and stronger as the season goes. Looked good at the prospects game. That probably moves him up a couple of spots.

Too early to say that. It may only take an adjustment period. Give him a sense of belonging to boost his confidence. If you asked me late last season if he was going to be part of the core, the answer was easy. Yes. He was playing very solid. Surprisingly great analytics, defensively sound, and skating hard. Then we saw a different side of him during/after the summer.
- boonerbuck

I feel exactly the same way about Jake from day 1, he wasn't my first choice at 6 but I can certainly see the value in what he could become.

He needs to learn how to bring his game to the NHL and IMO always needed to spend time in the AHL and figure out how to bring his game there.

Guys like Virtanen who are athletic and big often look like they can dominate juniors but are lost when they are no longer the biggest and fastest. This is my biggest issue with Rasmusson in the top 10 this year.

DEADLINE CAP SPACE : $1,971,279 (4,572,245 with LTIR relief) (its a little less now)

I believe he would be pro-rated so you wouldn't be on the hook for the full 3.5 mil cap hit, but half of it (since we're about halfway through the season)
- twiztedmike

The bit where he asked you to f*ck off.

I wouldn't be really upset getting Kane, I just don't like the idea of moving on from Hutton yet. I still think he might have the most potential to be an offensive contributor from the back end.

I would have absolutely no problem moving Guddy for Kane though, and that isn't necessarily meant as a dis to Guddy but he is less important with the emergence of some guys IMO and I doubt will ever be more than a physical bottom pairing defenceman which are easier to acquire than a puck moving defenceman.

IMO we shouldn't be moving any picks or young players who are still developing.
- belcherbd

This!

People freaking out over nothing.
- classic321

We could say that about you every time you post.

I'm not sure I agree, why does WD get credit for the team working hard? A coaches job is to prepare his team and implement a style of hockey. A players job is to work hard and do what the coach asks them to do.
- belcherbd

It's a strange world when someone does their job, and people turn around and give them credit for it. It totally goes against the existing institution of only criticizing.

I wouldn't be really upset getting Kane, I just don't like the idea of moving on from Hutton yet. I still think he might have the most potential to be an offensive contributor from the back end.

I would have absolutely no problem moving Guddy for Kane though, and that isn't necessarily meant as a dis to Guddy but he is less important with the emergence of some guys IMO and I doubt will ever be more than a physical bottom pairing defenceman which are easier to acquire than a puck moving defenceman.

IMO we shouldn't be moving any picks or young players who are still developing.
- belcherbd

i'd agree with you about keeping your young assets. But guddy isn't exactly ancient, he's only 25.

My only reasoning for keeping him over Hutton was just to have a bit of diversity on the back end. Can't have all skill guys or just all stay at home types. But the Canucks need to move one of them for some help up front.... 1) to help them win more 2) to make the games watchable for Canuck fans!

It's a strange world when someone does their job, and people turn around and give them credit for it. It totally goes against the existing institution of only criticizing.
- boonerbuck

well played.

I feel exactly the same way about Jake from day 1, he wasn't my first choice at 6 but I can certainly see the value in what he could become.

He needs to learn how to bring his game to the NHL and IMO always needed to spend time in the AHL and figure out how to bring his game there.

Guys like Virtanen who are athletic and big often look like they can dominate juniors but are lost when they are no longer the biggest and fastest. This is my biggest issue with Rasmusson in the top 10 this year.
- belcherbd

Did you see how fat he looked in Sept? I posted it a week or two ago. Looked like beer fat to me. Then the rumors about reporting out of shape. Then he played like a slug for weeks. That can screw up a whole season for a young player. Guys who have been playing in the NHL for many years can pull it off sometimes... coach has no time for that in a 20 year old though.

If he reports to camp chisel cut and ready to make a statement, I expect him to get a lot more leash from the coach and eventually start controlling the play on his shifts like he was doing before. You look at his stats. Puck was almost always in the offensive end in 15/16, especially after the WJC.


I don't like the kids attitude at all. He'll not likely be a player I personally like. That was the way I always was with Kesler and Burrows. Good players none the less.

What was I just saying about JV?

The 6-foot-1 Virtanen said he feels like he's been able find his game because he's slimmed down since the start of the season. He said he was 228 pounds when he started the season with Vancouver and is down to 215.

http://www.uticaod.com/sp...rtanen-reliability-is-key

Thanks to the original poster.

well played.
- belcherbd

Booner, i'm pretty sure Burke did trade Bure for Jovo. Keenan was strictly coaching at that time.