The real question is this, who do you value more as a 2nd pair dman between Hamonic and deHaan? Because remember, the best ability is availability. I also don't trust Hamonic's health going forward. I'm not saying you expose Hamonic, but you should trade him to avoid losing him or deHaan for nothing.
- bgainesDM

Well I had him as part of the trade as his cap friendly contract and length gives a team control over him

you just quoted yourself as a supporting argument.

4f, 4d

boychuk, leddy, pulock, pelech - trade hamonic, one of dehaan and hickey gets claimed

jt, ladd, lee, nelson - no one's taking strome over dehaan or hickey, and I'm not wasting a spot on anyone not in the top 6f.
- Isles_since_6

this is probably the most ideal scenario, however I am not sure strome wouldnt be picked. It seems like high end talent (at least the potential of it) will be the most rare

you just quoted yourself as a supporting argument.

4f, 4d

boychuk, leddy, pulock, pelech - trade hamonic, one of dehaan and hickey gets claimed

jt, ladd, lee, nelson - no one's taking strome over dehaan or hickey, and I'm not wasting a spot on anyone not in the top 6f.
- Isles_since_6

I quoted myself to add to my reason for protecting 7f and 3d. But ultimately this could very well come at the last minute.

this is probably the most ideal scenario, however I am not sure strome wouldnt be picked. It seems like high end talent (at least the potential of it) will be the most rare
- YuenglingJagr

Maybe swap Nelson for Strome. It all depends on how Nelson and Strome finish this season.

this is probably the most ideal scenario, however I am not sure strome wouldnt be picked. It seems like high end talent (at least the potential of it) will be the most rare
- YuenglingJagr

Again I agree with you. I think its still a little too early to give up on Strome. He is still only 23 years old. I still think at the end of the day Dehaan is the one who goes if not dealt and left unprotected.

this is probably the most ideal scenario, however I am not sure strome wouldnt be picked. It seems like high end talent (at least the potential of it) will be the most rare
- YuenglingJagr

And this is why as I said you don't protect cizikas, dehaan has played well hes physical this year but if it's who we lose I'm OK with it. Mayfield has proven he can be a 7th defenseman and pulock showed last year in playoffs he can play regularly as well. There's still toews in ahl who's had a great year better than pulocks so I I think it's d men we are going to expose. As vukota said anyway you slice it teams are going to lose a good player

And this is why as I said you don't protect cizikas, dehaan has played well hes physical this year but if it's who we lose I'm OK with it. Mayfield has proven he can be a 7th defenseman and pulock showed last year in playoffs he can play regularly as well. There's still toews in ahl who's had a great year better than pulocks so I I think it's d men we are going to expose. As vukota said anyway you slice it teams are going to lose a good player
- Upstate_isles

If Calvin deHaan gets taken, we better hope that Devon Toews steps up, bigtime and gives a Beauvillier-like training camp.

I actually think snow overpaid him a little for that reason alone
- Vukota

Exactly, he knows that nobody is taking Clutter or Zeeker on those deals. They're paid just enough to be a deterrent to an expansion team and not enough to make them awful signings.

People on this board have want Pelech to be protected over Hammer? Really? Pelech is a nice player and Hammer is having a down year, but come on. Hammer has a great contract, is a right handed d-man and is still young. You can't expose that in the expansion draft. He'll be gone for nothing.

Isles will need to make some trades incorporating defensemen if they want to avoid losing one for nothing in the expansion draft. No doubt in my mind that if one of Hickey, de Haan or Hammer are unprotected, one will be snatched up.

Exactly, he knows that nobody is taking Clutter or Zeeker on those deals. They're paid just enough to be a deterrent to an expansion team and not enough to make them awful signings.

People on this board have want Pelech to be protected over Hammer? Really? Pelech is a nice player and Hammer is having a down year, but come on. Hammer has a great contract, is a right handed d-man and is still young. You can't expose that in the expansion draft. He'll be gone for nothing.

Isles will need to make some trades incorporating defensemen if they want to avoid losing one for nothing in the expansion draft. No doubt in my mind that if one of Hickey, de Haan or Hammer are unprotected, one will be snatched up.
- Jethro09

The reason why I choose Pelech over Hammer is because Pelech is a much better compliment to Leddy than Hamonic is. Even last year, Hamonic struggled in the top pair with Leddy. People just notice it now.

The reason why I choose Pelech over Hammer is because Pelech is a much better compliment to Leddy than Hamonic is. Even last year, Hamonic struggled in the top pair with Leddy. People just notice it now.
- bgainesDM

So you move Hamonic to another pairing.

Exactly, he knows that nobody is taking Clutter or Zeeker on those deals. They're paid just enough to be a deterrent to an expansion team and not enough to make them awful signings.

People on this board have want Pelech to be protected over Hammer? Really? Pelech is a nice player and Hammer is having a down year, but come on. Hammer has a great contract, is a right handed d-man and is still young. You can't expose that in the expansion draft. He'll be gone for nothing.

Isles will need to make some trades incorporating defensemen if they want to avoid losing one for nothing in the expansion draft. No doubt in my mind that if one of Hickey, de Haan or Hammer are unprotected, one will be snatched up.
- Jethro09

Only way Hamonic is gone is if they trade him. No way they are leaving him unprotected That's nonsense

So you move Hamonic to another pairing.
- Vukota

You can do that. I'm just really hoping that Devon Toews has a great training camp next season. That's the only way, I see this defense being stable next year. Because we're definitely not keeping Seidenberg. Kids have to come up.

You can do that. I'm just really hoping that Devon Toews has a great training camp next season. That's the only way, I see this defense being stable next year. Because we're definitely not keeping Seidenberg. Kids have to come up.
- bgainesDM

The only way you see this D staying stable is if a kid in BP makes the team next year? I don't follow. You have JB/Leddy Hamonic/Pelech Hickey or Dehaan/ Pulock. That's not even accounting for who ever replaces seidenberg if he doesn't come back.

Only way Hamonic is gone is if they trade him. No way they are leaving him unprotected That's nonsense
- Vukota

Yes if hammer goes it's to bring back a winger for Jt otherwise he's on list with leddy and boychuk. Let's assume he's traded and on of 14/44 are taken you have 2 55 50 6 42 14/44 and toews plus they can sign another seidenburg type as insurance it may even be him as well as he's played this year

The only way you see this D staying stable is if a kid in BP makes the team next year? I don't follow. You have JB/Leddy Hamonic/Pelech Hickey or Dehaan/ Pulock. That's not even accounting for who ever replaces seidenberg if he doesn't come back.
- Vukota

True. I forgot about that. I think Boychuk maybe takes a small step back to be off of the top pair.

True. I forgot about that. I think Boychuk maybe takes a small step back to be off of the top pair.
- bgainesDM

A lot can change from now until next year so who the fack knows at this point

A lot can change from now until next year so who the fack knows at this point
- Vukota

Bottomline, if I'm Vegas and deHaan and Hickey are unprotected, I'm taking deHaan.

Bottomline, if I'm Vegas and deHaan and Hickey are unprotected, I'm taking deHaan.
- bgainesDM

Yeah I can see that happening for sure

Snow will protect all the D bc he like's D.....

Bottomline, if I'm Vegas and deHaan and Hickey are unprotected, I'm taking deHaan.
- bgainesDM

the expansion draft is going to be interesting just because Vegas needs to hit the salary cap floor - now they might take all good young players on lower contracts and then hit the free agent market with a crapton of cap space, or there might be a few surprises in who they select...who knows

the expansion draft is going to be interesting just because Vegas needs to hit the salary cap floor - now they might take all good young players on lower contracts and then hit the free agent market with a crapton of cap space, or there might be a few surprises in who they select...who knows
- Isles_since_6

How does the draft order work for Vegas?

How does the draft order work for Vegas?
- bgainesDM

they get to take one player from every team, no real order as far as I know. I don't know if they have to take one from each team which means 7 players would be in their farm system....not sure. I just know they'll have to meet the floor which would be interesting if they finished the draft and were 10-20 mil below the floor. they'd end up having to throw big money at a few free agents just to hit the bottom.

Snow will protect all the D bc he like's D.....
- Ur Not Me

A grammatical error AND not funny. Great job.

Protected Lists
* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:

a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender

b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Player Exposure Requirements
* All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League.

Regulations Relating to Expansion Franchise
* The Las Vegas franchise must select one player from each presently existing club for a total of 30 players (not including additional players who may be acquired as the result of violations of the Expansion Draft rules).

* The Las Vegas franchise must select the following number of players at each position: 14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goaltenders.

* The Las Vegas franchise must select a minimum of 20 players who are under contract for the 2017-18 season.

* The Las Vegas franchise must select players with an aggregate Expansion Draft value that is between 60-100% of the prior season's upper limit for the salary cap.

So if I am understanding this correctly, any player signed to a pro contract less then 2 years ago , is not eligible to be taken by Vegas???