I actually think Horvat has a higher ceiling than Kesler...I also think we already have our future 1 C.
- CanuckDon

I wasnt sure if he was or not coming into the season. But I think youre right, he has more potential. This is supported by his all star selection and the fact everyone knew about him when he got there. A good boost for him that could accelerate his play.

I think the coaching staff should switch to pushing him.

Idk where ppl invent COUNTRY CLUB slogans & apply it to this team.
Grasping at any straw to explain what they don't have any basis on doing so.
Who can explain where it comes from?
- Nighthawk

I think a few media guys posted it a few years back. Or maybe it was in Torts' final press conference. Either way, it just was a dig at the culture being a little too easy going on the players

I actually think Horvat has a higher ceiling than Kesler...I also think we already have our future 1 C.
- CanuckDon

I agree if speaking about character & a future captain.
Idk if 40 goals or quite the same sandpaper though.
Still BO is special in his own way & glad he is a Canuck.

Like I said, sometimes it makes great players, but how many good young players in recent years have left teams to get away from those kind of coaches? Vancouver isnt in a position to risk losing talent because of a coach.

As for teaching role, I'll say the same thing I said to Nuck4U. Its the NHL, not a development league. If Willie isnt ready for the NHL, fire him and let him go learn it in the AHL. Players will not respect or perform under a coach that doesnt have full autonomy
- WhiteLie

The worst was Bill Laforge 😂😂

If LV goes a different direction and Hitch is available in the offseason (and say we end up near the bottom of the table)...do we kick the tires here?

I'm not sure personally.

Great coach. Tough demanding personality.

Sorta Torts like.

The team seems to respond better to player's coaches (AV).
dbot

he was planning on retiring at the end of the year.... don't see our current roster keeping him out of retirement.

I agree if speaking about character & a future captain.
Idk if 40 goals or quite the same sandpaper though.
Still BO is special in his own way & glad he is a Canuck.
- Nighthawk

Burrows spoke to that sandpaper element:

"The biggest difference is that the game has changed from 12 years ago, when Kes started. Now, there's not as much after-the-whistle play as there used to be back then, where Kes was pretty good at it. Now, Bo doesn't need to bring it because the game has evolved."

I wasnt sure if he was or not coming into the season. But I think youre right, he has more potential. This is supported by his all star selection and the fact everyone knew about him when he got there. A good boost for him that could accelerate his play.

I think the coaching staff should switch to pushing him.
- SMBDragon

Why push him? The vets r still here leading the team & we r not going anywhere soon. Soon enough BO will take over the reins but still no rush yet.

Burrows spoke to that sandpaper element:

"The biggest difference is that the game has changed from 12 years ago, when Kes started. Now, there's not as much after-the-whistle play as there used to be back then, where Kes was pretty good at it. Now, Bo doesn't need to bring it because the game has evolved."
- Carol Schram

Exactly..Horvat is still hard to play against as he wears players down along the boards. He is a heavy kid. I think he is a better skater than Kesler and more cerebral as well. Kesler was never a good playmaker

Why push him? The vets r still here leading the team & we r not going anywhere soon. Soon enough BO will take over the reins but still no rush yet.
- Nighthawk

Burrows spoke to that sandpaper element:

"The biggest difference is that the game has changed from 12 years ago, when Kes started. Now, there's not as much after-the-whistle play as there used to be back then, where Kes was pretty good at it. Now, Bo doesn't need to bring it because the game has evolved."
- Carol Schram

This is true but i refer to being agitating in the way Kesler is.

Exactly..Horvat is still hard to play against as he wears players down along the boards. He is a heavy kid. I think he is a better skater than Kesler and more cerebral as well. Kesler was never a good playmaker
- CanuckDon

Total understatement

Exactly..Horvat is still hard to play against as he wears players down along the boards. He is a heavy kid. I think he is a better skater than Kesler and more cerebral as well. Kesler was never a good playmaker
- CanuckDon

The kid is a determined bull indeed. More deft than Kesler at passing.

IMHO is BO & Kesler have another gear that they can impose is the similar trait we all like. Maybe Kesler didn't endear us the same way but a warrior he was & a warrior he still is. BO is that as well & one of a few reasons he has us all agog lol

I actually think Horvat has a higher ceiling than Kesler...I also think we already have our future 1 C.
- CanuckDon

I think they're a good comparison but I see nothing that indicates Horvat will be better than Kesler? Despite Kesler's douchieness he's still one helluva a player, even to this day, he's having a great season.

On the #1 comment, you need a guy who's way more skilled than Horvat if you truly wannna win a Cup. The kids awesome and he's just a great person, but he'll always be a number two on a good team.

In our history we always loved players like Smyl Williams Snepsts Linden Burrows Hansen Kesler BO for their never say die ballz to the wall play. Those r players that we need & the more the better...u listenin JV? 😂 Tree u btw r gonna be loved here for a long long time as well 👍

I think they're a good comparison but I see nothing that indicates Horvat will be better than Kesler? Despite Kesler's douchieness he's still one helluva a player, even to this day, he's having a great season.

On the #1 comment, you need a guy who's way more skilled than Horvat if you truly wannna win a Cup. The kids awesome and he's just a great person, but he'll always be a number two on a good team.
- LeftCoaster

Bang on bro. BO will lead if the talent is there to follow.

I think they're a good comparison but I see nothing that indicates Horvat will be better than Kesler? Despite Kesler's douchieness he's still one helluva a player, even to this day, he's having a great season.

On the #1 comment, you need a guy who's way more skilled than Horvat if you truly wannna win a Cup. The kids awesome and he's just a great person, but he'll always be a number two on a good team.
- LeftCoaster

How can you say this? His progression yoy has been remarkable. Nobody knows what his ceiling is. He has low end 1st line production already

Benning said JV is doing better , he doesn't care about his points. He is starting to hit and shoot more and will be part of the Canucks going forward. Very happy with progress.

- VANTEL

Sure.

They are hoping to make the playoffs and even win a round or two and still expect to get a very good draft pick in the top 20

- VANTEL

They're unlikely to make the playoffs. They're on pace for 85 points, which would be a new record low for a team to make the playoffs since the OTL point. The only reason they're not extremely unlikely to make the playoffs is that the Western Conference has turned to crap and the 8th place team is on pace for 87. Tying a record low if it ends that way.

Even if they did make it, which is unlikely, they stand no chance against a top seeded team, which would currently be Minnesota.


Win two rounds? Jeez. Your GM is an idiot just for suggesting that.

The best thing that can happen to the Canucks is to bottom out.

And why would he expect to get a great pick around 20? the rate of players making the NHL at that point isn't great. Let alone being an impact player.

TRyamkin and Stecher have exceeded expectations and are very happy with progress.He wants Tree to play meaner more often . He is ahead of Chara at that age except in meanness.

- VANTEL

I really hope no one is interpreting this to mean that Tryamkin has Chara potential. If your GM is suggesting this, again, he's an idiot. Tryamkin is more Boris Valabik than Zdeno Chara. Valabik put up a whopping 5 points in 50 games, just like Tryamkin. And already had the meanness your coach looks for. If all goes well, he's a second pairing dman at some point in the future. No one should be mentioning him alongside Zdeno Chara. Just, NO. Nyet.

They will not be in on going after rentals . Pretty much expect to see this team until years end
- VANTEL

They should be selling. the team needs decent youth. Badly.

I think they're a good comparison but I see nothing that indicates Horvat will be better than Kesler? Despite Kesler's douchieness he's still one helluva a player, even to this day, he's having a great season.

On the #1 comment, you need a guy who's way more skilled than Horvat if you truly wannna win a Cup. The kids awesome and he's just a great person, but he'll always be a number two on a good team.
- LeftCoaster

yep. He's maybe even a number 3 on a cup winner.

How can you say this? His progression yoy has been remarkable. Nobody knows what his ceiling is. He has low end 1st line production already
- CanuckDon

He's just never been a highly offensive player at any level, as I said, the kids awesome, Gillis found a good one there, but, great teams have great number one highly offensive centres, as a general rule of thumb.

Even when Kesler was having his best seasons the team still needed a number one in Henrik to be an elite team, which they were! Kesler couldn't have gotten the Canucks to where Henrik and Kesler together did.

yep. He's maybe even a number 3 on a cup winner.
- prock

I smell something , did someone just take a huge sh1t?

- CanuckDon

Laugh all you want. The Pens have a 1-2 of Crosby and Malkin.

the Kings had Kopitar and Carter. Plus several more good centres playign wing.

The Hawks were probably the weakest up the middle, and they had Toews, Richards. Slight difference with Saad, Hossa, Kane and Sharp as your top two lines of wingers....

On the Kings and Pens, he slots in the third line. On the Hawks, he maybe takes Brad Richards spot when he reaches his peak, but good luck getting 4 wingers like that.

He fits as a 3rd line centre on most cup winning teams.

Sure.



They're unlikely to make the playoffs. They're on pace for 85 points, which would be a new record low for a team to make the playoffs since the OTL point. The only reason they're not extremely unlikely to make the playoffs is that the Western Conference has turned to crap and the 8th place team is on pace for 87. Tying a record low if it ends that way.

Even if they did make it, which is unlikely, they stand no chance against a top seeded team, which would currently be Minnesota.


Win two rounds? Jeez. Your GM is an idiot just for suggesting that.

The best thing that can happen to the Canucks is to bottom out.

And why would he expect to get a great pick around 20? the rate of players making the NHL at that point isn't great. Let alone being an impact player.



I really hope no one is interpreting this to mean that Tryamkin has Chara potential. If your GM is suggesting this, again, he's an idiot. Tryamkin is more Boris Valabik than Zdeno Chara. Valabik put up a whopping 5 points in 50 games, just like Tryamkin. And already had the meanness your coach looks for. If all goes well, he's a second pairing dman at some point in the future. No one should be mentioning him alongside Zdeno Chara. Just, NO. Nyet.




They should be selling. the team needs decent youth. Badly.
- prock

2 things...

JB didn't say win 1or 2 rounds the interviewer said it.
2nd he said after the 1st few picks the top 20 had skill that would develop into quality.

I smell something , did someone just take a huge sh1t?
- VANTEL

he's being constructively objective