Unfortunately hockey is a gatedriven business. Comcast would never approve of a tanking situation since it would seriously hurt revenue.

I do believe someone from the corp forwards has to go. Something is wrong in that leadership group IMO and you don't want that trickling down to the prospects as they enter the team. Losing because of lack of talent is one thing. Losing cause lazy effort which also includes attention to detail is a whole other problem.
- psuhockey

I don't think you really have to tank. Using Columbus as an example they have made some solid deals in trying to make good roster depth. I mean they moved Johansson to get Seth Jones. Drafted Werenski. Made move to get Saad. Have solid depth guys in Foligno and Dubnisky even if over paid. Bobrovsky stands on his head a lot for them but they have created some good depth. Wennberg and Atkinson are now coming into their own.


I think a couple moves to tinker the roster and the Flyers are right threre.

Giroux's current level of play is showing far more of a decline than just a star playing moving out of his prime years. It's worse than that right now.

Which player(s) do you think they should've moved on from?
- MJL

Giroux is still producing points on the power play, which is very valuable. Not sure why people just ignore that aspect of his game. If they had a better two-way lineup, they could use Giroux for the full 2 minutes of the PP like the Caps use Ovechkin.

The guys I would have considered moving:

Voracek - During his great season when he was competing for the Art Ross. Flyers could have gotten a poopload for him. They also extended him after his best career season instead of waiting. He was likely to never repeat that performance again.

Schenn - During this past offseason when he had a career year and was due for a new deal. He wouldn't have brought back a huge package, but I think he could have been put into a package for a good, young player.

Simmonds - They could move him this season and get back a big return.

Some of these trades would have helped them bottom out and collect better draft picks as well.

I guess I'm different than most. I'd rather give myself every opportunity to win a championship play along at .500 and hope I get lucky.

I don't think you really have to tank. Using Columbus as an example they have made some solid deals in trying to make good roster depth. I mean they moved Johansson to get Seth Jones. Drafted Werenski. Made move to get Saad. Have solid depth guys in Foligno and Dubnisky even if over paid. Bobrovsky stands on his head a lot for them but they have created some good depth. Wennberg and Atkinson are now coming into their own.


I think a couple moves to tinker the roster and the Flyers are right threre.
- J35Bacher

And CBJ were a bottom 5 team last season. Things can change in a hurry.

Their strength is in their system. They've got some talent in guys like Skinner, Aho and Lindholm, but the majority of the team is made up of two-way guys and they rely heavily on forcing the opponent into neutral zone turnovers.

If you can get in the zone and force a cycle, they struggle, because they're not the strongest group in the world.
- BINGO!

They should keep playing that way, even as they increase their talent level. Best way to play.

I would not want to give Simmonds his next deal. If they really want to contend in 2-3 years, they should move him this season.
- PhillySportsGuy

They still have at least another season to make a call on Simmonds. He's one of the few heart and soul players performing on this team. I want him around Konecny and Provorov as long as possible. If the Flyers are not a quality team by the Summer of 2018, that is when the decision should be made whether to move him.

Giroux is still producing points on the power play, which is very valuable. Not sure why people just ignore that aspect of his game. If they had a better two-way lineup, they could use Giroux for the full 2 minutes of the PP like the Caps use Ovechkin.

The guys I would have considered moving:

Voracek - During his great season when he was competing for the Art Ross. Flyers could have gotten a poopload for him. They also extended him after his best career season instead of waiting. He was likely to never repeat that performance again.

Schenn - During this past offseason when he had a career year and was due for a new deal. He wouldn't have brought back a huge package, but I think he could have been put into a package for a good, young player.

Simmonds - They could move him this season and get back a big return.

Some of these trades would have helped them bottom out and collect better draft picks as well.

I guess I'm different than most. I'd rather give myself every opportunity to win a championship play along at .500 and hope I get lucky.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep.

Hit the bottom and build for a few years to give yourself a really competitive team for at least a few years, or become the Ottawa Senators.

thank you very enjoyable seeing Bryz

2 + 2 x 2 = 6 in Russia, who knew?
- Marc D

It equals 6 anywhere.

They still have at least another season to make a call on Simmonds. He's one of the few heart and soul players performing on this team. I want him around Konecny and Provorov as long as possible. If the Flyers are not a quality team by the Summer of 2018, that is when the decision should be made whether to move him.
- Baxter27

I think the point is that trading him with term on his current contract is a massive value

Giroux is still producing points on the power play, which is very valuable. Not sure why people just ignore that aspect of his game. If they had a better two-way lineup, they could use Giroux for the full 2 minutes of the PP like the Caps use Ovechkin.

The guys I would have considered moving:

Voracek - During his great season when he was competing for the Art Ross. Flyers could have gotten a poopload for him. They also extended him after his best career season instead of waiting. He was likely to never repeat that performance again.

Schenn - During this past offseason when he had a career year and was due for a new deal. He wouldn't have brought back a huge package, but I think he could have been put into a package for a good, young player.

Simmonds - They could move him this season and get back a big return.

Some of these trades would have helped them bottom out and collect better draft picks as well.

I guess I'm different than most. I'd rather give myself every opportunity to win a championship play along at .500 and hope I get lucky.
- PhillySportsGuy

A team living and dying by the power play is a recipe for disaster. You need to score at even strength which this team is horrid at doing this season. It's not just G but man he definitely seems to be lost out there at even strength.

Yep.

Hit the bottom and build for a few years to give yourself a really competitive team for at least a few years, or become the Ottawa Senators.
- BINGO!

Bad comparison. The Senators are limited by lack of payroll, like the Hurricanes.

It equals 6 anywhere.
- MBFlyerfan

Some people think it equals 8

I think the point is that trading him with term on his current contract is a massive value
- YuenglingJagr

Correct.

Right now for what he is paid and what he brings he could absolutely bring a big haul because a team getting him would be getting him on a very low deal.

I guess I'm different than most. I'd rather give myself every opportunity to win a championship play along at .500 and hope I get lucky.
- PhillySportsGuy

The crazy thing is Hextall has come right out and said he doesn't think this team can win a cup for the past couple of season. He has said a couple of times that the Flyers aren't in the top 5-6 teams in the league but he expects them to make the playoffs. So the team isn't good enough to win the cup but we want the playoff gate. I wonder what kind of effect that statement has on the veteran players. Try hard guys but in a couple years I will give you what you need to compete.

Correct.

Right now for what he is paid and what he brings he could absolutely bring a big haul because a team getting him would be getting him on a very low deal.
- J35Bacher

Like maybe Adam Larsson?

So not to be banned from the site again, I will only post positive remarks from here on out.
I like the way we played.
I think this is the perfect formula for us moving forward.
Having only six shots through two periods is great that way the guys don't get too tired.
Less shots and laziness is the new Flyers way and should lead to lots of games just like this that are so much fun to watch.
VDV is a great player and Laughton is also great too.

Yep.

Hit the bottom and build for a few years to give yourself a really competitive team for at least a few years, or become the Ottawa Senators.
- BINGO!

this isn't the NBA where you need to tank to get better. there are examples of teams who tank and win and examples of teams who tank and never win. on the flip side there are teams who have won who did not tank. bottom line is you have to know talent and draft well and find FAs.

Bad comparison. The Senators are limited by lack of payroll, like the Hurricanes.
- Feanor

I don't see what payroll has to do with the fact that the Senators buy mediocrity every year....

So not to be banned from the site again, I will only post positive remarks from here on out.
I like the way we played.
I think this is the perfect formula for us moving forward.
Having only six shots through two periods is great that way the guys don't get too tired.
Less shots and laziness is the new Flyers way and should lead to lots of games just like this that are so much fun to watch.
VDV is a great player and Laughton is also great too.
- Konalover

I like the new you

I think the point is that trading him with term on his current contract is a massive value
- YuenglingJagr

Lucic in decline essentially brought in 2 first round picks for the final year of his contract. I'd expect the same value for Simmonds and I don't think his value can get much higher than that, even if you move him earlier.

Giroux is still producing points on the power play, which is very valuable. Not sure why people just ignore that aspect of his game. If they had a better two-way lineup, they could use Giroux for the full 2 minutes of the PP like the Caps use Ovechkin.

The guys I would have considered moving:

Voracek - During his great season when he was competing for the Art Ross. Flyers could have gotten a poopload for him. They also extended him after his best career season instead of waiting. He was likely to never repeat that performance again.

Schenn - During this past offseason when he had a career year and was due for a new deal. He wouldn't have brought back a huge package, but I think he could have been put into a package for a good, young player.

Simmonds - They could move him this season and get back a big return.

Some of these trades would have helped them bottom out and collect better draft picks as well.

I guess I'm different than most. I'd rather give myself every opportunity to win a championship play along at .500 and hope I get lucky.
- PhillySportsGuy

That doesn't really jive with your previous statement that the problem was that they kept of all of them. You have to look back on what the situation was when they signed them to their current deals. Which one can you make a reasonable argument that they shouldn't have resigned when they did?

Giroux is coming off of 93 and 86 point seasons at 26 years old and they shouldn't have resigned him?

Voracek struggles last season but had a 81 point season recently. They shouldn't have resigned him when they did?


Simmonds and Schenn were 25 and putting up solid numbers. The Simmonds deal was fantastic.

So I'm not sure where you have a case for saying they shouldn't have resigned them when they did, unless you want to be a Monday morning QB.

Additionally, I think missing the net or having shots blocked 36 times is also a very good thing.
That way the goalie won't be able to practice on making saves and when we ht the net it may go in.

Only 5 and a half more years until we are finally done with that Giroux contract. Mark your calendars

They still have at least another season to make a call on Simmonds. He's one of the few heart and soul players performing on this team. I want him around Konecny and Provorov as long as possible. If the Flyers are not a quality team by the Summer of 2018, that is when the decision should be made whether to move him.
- Baxter27

The longer you wait, the less value he has. He could get injured or begin to show the same regression Giroux has shown. Part of Simmonds' value is his contract. If you wait until 2018, all you'll get is a mid first rounder maybe. Move him now and you could get a Richards/Carter type deal.

A team living and dying by the power play is a recipe for disaster. You need to score at even strength which this team is horrid at doing this season. It's not just G but man he definitely seems to be lost out there at even strength.
- dragonoffrost

Giroux current rank is 242nd in the league in 5 on 5 scoring.

The longer you wait, the less value he has. He could get injured or begin to show the same regression Giroux has shown. Part of Simmonds' value is his contract. If you wait until 2018, all you'll get is a mid first rounder maybe. Move him now and you could get a Richards/Carter type deal.
- PhillySportsGuy

more scrubs like Voracek, Schenn, and Couturier? I don't see how that makes us better