Given the Flyers moved 2 minutes closer to midnight on a UFA fire sale last night, what's everyone's over/under on the expected values for a team to get a deal done on the following players:

Mason-2nd Round Pick
Neuvirth-2nd Round Pick
Streit-3rd Round Pick
Del Zotto-3rd Round Pick
Bellemare-4th Round Pick
Schultz-6th Round Pick
Vandevelde-6th Round Pick

For the record, out of these players, I don't think they should trade Mason. Del Zotto should be getting one of his final shots to show he's worth hanging onto past the deadline.
- Baxter27

So, in summary, Mason and Neuvirth are worth a little bit in return and the rest are worth nothing in return.

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- YuenglingJagr

I'm trying lol

The Flyers should have seen this coming. They committed too much money to too many forwards on a team that wasn't going to truly be a contender for a long time. God help us if they re-sign Simmonds to some enormous contract after next season.
- PhillySportsGuy

I wouldn't be as worried committing a long term deal to Simmonds if I didn't have what is looking to be a terrible contract to Giroux.

But.....If they were to make Simmonds available I think he would garner the biggest package coming back and could possibly bring in a top young talent.

The Flyers should have seen this coming. They committed too much money to too many forwards on a team that wasn't going to truly be a contender for a long time. God help us if they re-sign Simmonds to some enormous contract after next season.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think they will be fine once they get good players around them

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This should make you feel better
- YuenglingJagr

thank you very enjoyable seeing Bryz

2 + 2 x 2 = 6 in Russia, who knew?

Streit can fetch a 2nd and a 3rd, IMHO
- Streit2ThePoint

Probably about right. Maybe the same thing Kimmo brought back. 2nd and conditional pick that could get better depending on teams playoff run.

thank you very enjoyable seeing Bryz

2 + 2 x 2 = 6 in Russia, who knew?
- Marc D

It's funny how the Russians all got it right without hesitation.

I read on twitter last night that the Flyers are a way better team than Carolina.

It was posted after the first period.

I think that guy was wrong. Carolina is better right now.
Their D is 2 years ahead of the Flyers in the rebuild, and they seem faster all around.

I read on twitter last night that the Flyers are a way better team than Carolina.

It was posted after the first period.

I think that guy was wrong. Carolina is better right now.
Their D is 2 years ahead of the Flyers in the rebuild, and they seem faster all around.
- Marc D

Let's make that decision based on one game....

It's funny how the Russians all got it right without hesitation.
- Scoob

eehhhhh stooopeed Amer-ee-cans

Yeah, good points. We really miss having a pure sniper that could consistently bury it on a consistent basis. It would really help take the load off G and V. Not long ago, we had a lot more depth and skill on forward with Danny, harts, Jagr. Now we've plugged those holes with the likes of Raffl, Read Bellemare cousins. It's asking too much of them and as a consequence asking too much of Schenn, Coots, G and V..

The only possibilities I can think of WRT G is that he's either still recovering from injuries from last year, re injured/injured, or is steering away from high traffic areas so as not to get hurt. He really brings no level of compete or drive to the net anymore.
- Hextall271

Giroux is regressing because he's ending his prime. The prime years for NHL forwards are normally 24-28. He's not big and he's not a good skater, so he's probably not built to fight father time as much as other guys. You're seeing the same type of regression with Toews, while guys like Carter continue to flourish.

Giroux is still an outstanding power play guy and I believe he would be fine in the top 6 as more of a secondary guy. He's unlikely to play at the level he once did at even strength. He needs another guy to carry the line. Is that type of player worth $8.25M? Probably not, but it's not the end of the world to overpay a guy who means to much to your franchise and is still producing in certain important areas.

The problem with this team wasn't that they've kept each of these singular top-six forwards; it's that they kept ALL of them. They needed to recycle some of them-as painful as that may have been for the fan base. If they'd set out on a more traditional re-build, they'd be in a much better spot than they are now. But, of course, we wouldn't have had those two very, very exciting first round knockouts.

I read on twitter last night that the Flyers are a way better team than Carolina.

It was posted after the first period.

I think that guy was wrong. Carolina is better right now.
Their D is 2 years ahead of the Flyers in the rebuild, and they seem faster all around.
- Marc D

With each team playing at the top of their game, I'll take the Flyers. In my opinion they're the better team.

I wouldn't be as worried committing a long term deal to Simmonds if I didn't have what is looking to be a terrible contract to Giroux.

But.....If they were to make Simmonds available I think he would garner the biggest package coming back and could possibly bring in a top young talent.
- J35Bacher

I would not want to give Simmonds his next deal. If they really want to contend in 2-3 years, they should move him this season.

Giroux is regressing because he's ending his prime. The prime years for NHL forwards are normally 24-28. He's not big and he's not a good skater, so he's probably not built to fight father time as much as other guys. You're seeing the same type of regression with Toews, while guys like Carter continue to flourish.

Giroux is still an outstanding power play guy and I believe he would be fine in the top 6 as more of a secondary guy. He's unlikely to play at the level he once did at even strength. He needs another guy to carry the line. Is that type of player worth $8.25M? Probably not, but it's not the end of the world to overpay a guy who means to much to your franchise and is still producing in certain important areas.

The problem with this team wasn't that they've kept each of these singular top-six forwards; it's that they kept ALL of them. They needed to recycle some of them-as painful as that may have been for the fan base. If they'd set out on a more traditional re-build, they'd be in a much better spot than they are now. But, of course, we wouldn't have had those two very, very exciting first round knockouts.
- PhillySportsGuy

Giroux's current level of play is showing far more of a decline than just a star playing moving out of his prime years. It's worse than that right now.

Which player(s) do you think they should've moved on from?

I think they will be fine once they get good players around them
- YuenglingJagr

This is it though. None of the current forwards outside of Konecny are going to get any better. They're likely going to get worse.

Giroux as a captain is not working IMO. He turns the puck over a lot more frequently than previously in his career. He used to be the thorn in the side of the opponent forcing turnovers. Seems the roles have reversed thanks to a lost step and all of the wear and tear of playing in this league as an undersized player. I really don't see his career every getting back to when he was a 90 point player. Only 5 more years of declining production and rudderless leadership at 8.275M/year.

I read on twitter last night that the Flyers are a way better team than Carolina.

It was posted after the first period.

I think that guy was wrong. Carolina is better right now.
Their D is 2 years ahead of the Flyers in the rebuild, and they seem faster all around.
- Marc D

Eh....

I think the biggest difference is that you guys have a lot more veterans, especially up front. We've reached the point where we're only filtering in one or two rookies per year now.

I don't know if you could trade him....with the contract and the compensation not matching. To me he hasn't been the same guy the last 18 months. I still believe he has it in him to get back to that next level, but his days of being able to carry the team are likely over.
There is no reason Giroux can't still be a top player, although his prime may have just slipped by.
- landros 2

Don't get me wrong, i am not saying trade him. just pointing out the difference of each team's makeup.

Giroux is regressing because he's ending his prime. The prime years for NHL forwards are normally 24-28. He's not big and he's not a good skater, so he's probably not built to fight father time as much as other guys. You're seeing the same type of regression with Toews, while guys like Carter continue to flourish.

Giroux is still an outstanding power play guy and I believe he would be fine in the top 6 as more of a secondary guy. He's unlikely to play at the level he once did at even strength. He needs another guy to carry the line. Is that type of player worth $8.25M? Probably not, but it's not the end of the world to overpay a guy who means to much to your franchise and is still producing in certain important areas.

The problem with this team wasn't that they've kept each of these singular top-six forwards; it's that they kept ALL of them. They needed to recycle some of them-as painful as that may have been for the fan base. If they'd set out on a more traditional re-build, they'd be in a much better spot than they are now. But, of course, we wouldn't have had those two very, very exciting first round knockouts.
- PhillySportsGuy

Unfortunately hockey is a gatedriven business. Comcast would never approve of a tanking situation since it would seriously hurt revenue.

I do believe someone from the corp forwards has to go. Something is wrong in that leadership group IMO and you don't want that trickling down to the prospects as they enter the team. Losing because of lack of talent is one thing. Losing cause lazy effort which also includes attention to detail is a whole other problem.

With each team playing at the top of their game, I'll take the Flyers. In my opinion they're the better team.
- MJL

I think the Flyers have more talented players as a whole.

I think the Hurricanes play a much more structured team game.

I would not want to give Simmonds his next deal. If they really want to contend in 2-3 years, they should move him this season.
- PhillySportsGuy

I would absolutely sell high on him as much as it wouldn't be popular.

Right now on this current deal he could bring you a possible young top talent. I would actually be ok moving Simmonds and Giroux as long as I got a young possible 1st line center back in at least one of the deals.

With the defense coming along, they still have about 2 year until they are a playoff threat.

I think the Flyers have more talented players as a whole.

I think the Hurricanes play a much more structured team game.
- BINGO!

I don't see the Canes play enough to know about their structure and consistency, but last night that was true.

This is it though. None of the current forwards outside of Konecny are going to get any better. They're likely going to get worse.
- PhillySportsGuy

Not saying any of them are individually going to get much better, I just think the total package will be better once half of the roster isn't just taking up space until the wave of prospects take over

The Flyers should have seen this coming. They committed too much money to too many forwards on a team that wasn't going to truly be a contender for a long time. God help us if they re-sign Simmonds to some enormous contract after next season.
- PhillySportsGuy

So they should have let Giroux walk in 2014 and Voracek walk in 2016? No other forwards are signed to big money. Simmonds can't be re-signed till 7/1/18 so it's a bit early to be worried about that. It's at least 133 games away.

I don't see the Canes play enough to know about their consistency, but last night that was true.
- MJL

Their strength is in their system. They've got some talent in guys like Skinner, Aho and Lindholm, but the majority of the team is made up of two-way guys and they rely heavily on forcing the opponent into neutral zone turnovers.

If you can get in the zone and force a cycle, they struggle, because they're not the strongest group in the world.