Every top team, and those who win the Cup have some of the best forwards and players in the World. That seems to be the winning formula to me.
- MJL

OKay, you win.
Too long a day and Im still working to debate anything

The 2nds mean nothing to me in acquiring a future 1C or top line winger, at worst. I just don't think it sways them. It's like offering 2 more 2nds + Puljujarvi for Provorov. Just don't want to trade him. I imagine Edmonton would consider it only for Provorov now that I bring his name up.

Like I said, my interest is in packaging Schenn+1st before I go anywhere near Simmonds in a trade. You look at a team like the Islanders, and maybe they'd be interested in that for their 1st, if they bottom out to bottom 10, plus someone like Barzal -- with Okposo gone their winger depth is shot, and they need to keep Tavarass happy. I could think of other better examples, but this just came to me off top of my head. Ignore that specifically if you want, but that's the type of deal I'd be interested in.
- Mononoke

Hexy is building an arsenal of Simmonds-like forwards in the system. This spring may be too early to pull the trigger but next year would be more likely. Lindblom's game 10 ft. and in is awesome. The little I saw from the phantoms made me a believer. I would be surprised if Simmonds played out his contract here. G and Jake aren't going anywhere realistically

We traded Richards for Simmonds and Schenn to "rebuild." Now were talking about trading Simmonds for another rebuild? There is a long list of players id trade before Wayne

We traded Richards for Simmonds and Schenn to "rebuild." Now were talking about trading Simmonds for another rebuild? There is a long list of players id trade before Wayne
- Trainfellow

I feel you. Barzal wouldn't be a bad pick up, he is essentially a Giroux type player.
- Mordecai

The issue in this is that you're always going to be trading for an unknown unless you want to pay an obscene cost. What costs more, the #8 pick that became William Nylander or William Nylander?

It's the risk in trading for something lesser known and relatively cheaper. And it's the avenue we probably have to take. And like we were talking about earlier, you don't usually see top 10 picks traded in a non-package deal anyway. It complicates things but that's reality. Most teams also want defensemen, so that factors in, and we're not trading any (maybe Morin, depending on his value).

The issue in this is that you're always going to be trading for an unknown unless you want to pay an obscene cost. What costs more, the #8 pick that became William Nylander or William Nylander?

It's the risk in trading for something lesser known and relatively cheaper. And it's the avenue we probably have to take. And like we were talking about earlier, you don't usually see top 10 picks traded in a non-package deal anyway. It complicates things but that's reality. Most teams also want defensemen, so that factors in, and we're not trading any (maybe Morin, depending on his value).
- Mononoke

Morin has very little value IMO. He's doing nothing to suggest he's going to come up and be anything more than a Dylan Mcilrath

Just a question. But if myers, sanheim and provorov bring an offensive game from the backend does that make gostisbehre eventually expendable. Just curious since the other 3 seem to have a better defensive game and size compared to goatisbehre.

We traded Richards for Simmonds and Schenn to "rebuild." Now were talking about trading Simmonds for another rebuild? There is a long list of players id trade before Wayne
- Trainfellow

The issue is that the Flyers didn't "rebuild" when they traded Richards for Simmonds and Schenn. They proceeded to spend no less than 3 seasons screwing around afterwards pretending they could contend and further delayed the inevitable, and the marks left were deep. We're in the 3rd year of Hextall's tenure after that period, and God love him, we're only just seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Simmonds has been here for 6 seasons now.

Everyone loves Simmonds. I'm quite vocal about his value and play probably staying stable so as to mull it over carefully and completely, and looking at others to trade first, second, and third. But he will be 29 next year, 30 the season after -- both seasons on a sweetheart, cost effective, ultra valuable deal -- and then a UFA at 31. They may inch closer, but the Flyers probably aren't contending before he is a soon to be 31 year old UFA. That's just reality. And trading him, or more preferably Schenn, is not "rebuilding" in a deconstructive, tanking sense.

Just a question. But if myers, sanheim and provorov bring an offensive game from the backend does that make gostisbehre eventually expendable. Just curious since the other 3 seem to have a better defensive game and size compared to goatisbehre.
- J35Bacher

I wouldn't look at it as making him or another similar player expendable, but more looking at it as you trade from a surplus to improve a weakness.

OKay, you win.
Too long a day and Im still working to debate anything
- opeth_pa

Seems pretty simple. We need to keep Simmonds because he is tough, and we don't have some of the best players in the world like the best teams do. If that's the case then maybe we should look at that as an example of how to become one of the best teams, and focus on getting some of the best players in the world, rather than worrying about the type of players we have.

Morin has very little value IMO. He's doing nothing to suggest he's going to come up and be anything more than a Dylan Mcilrath
- Just5

Just don't agree at all, and I bet NHL GMs don't either, even if his value isn't sky high. Wasn't a fan of the pick at the time, I never bought into the hyperbole, and I still think he'll be a decent NHLer but a complimentary bottom 4 guy. That's the hope. But he's still tracking fine. Go compare every year that McIlrath and Morin had post draft. Morin has continually developed and improved, unlike McIlrath or any other big d man reached on.

You simply cannot look at just his points. He is never used in offensive situations, only plays PK, takes all the d-zone starts, and lord knows the forwards provide no help in exiting the zone. It's not easy to score as a defensive d man only getting 5v5 and PK time. We all rave about the dynamic Sanheim.....with his 11 5v5 points but Morin's 8 is used as a slight. Usage matters (for Sanheim too). I think their scoring is probably a bit unlucky too tbh.

Just don't agree at all, and I bet NHL GMs don't either, even if his value isn't sky high. Wasn't a fan of the pick at the time, I never bought into the hyperbole, and I still think he'll be a good NHLer but a complimentary bottom 4 guy. That's the hope. But he's still tracking fine. Go compare every year that McIlrath and Morin had post draft. Morin has continually developed and improved, unlike McIlrath or any other big d man reached on.

You simply cannot look at just his points. He is never used in offensive situations, only plays PK, takes all the d-zone starts, and lord knows the forwards provide no help in exiting the zone. It's not easy to score as a defensive d man only getting 5v5 and PK time. We all rave about the dynamic Sanheim.....with his 11 5v5 points but Morin's 8 is used as a slight. Usage matters (for Sanheim too). I think their scoring is probably a bit unlucky too tbh.
- Mononoke

And he brings an element of intimidation that no other defense prospect has. Hockey.is still a.contact sport. I think he brings a dynamic to the defense. Not every guy can be a two way smooth skating offensive dman.

They may not all be tough in the mean SOB sense, but I can't think of many top Flyers or top prospects in the system that don't play a hard-nosed, hard-working, strong style of game. Not being a nasty player or a chirper or frequent pugilist =/= being soft.

Agree with J35 Bacher get rid of Ghost now, Provy is more than capable of playing on the number 1 Powerplay and Sanheim can run the second unit. Ghost is gonna want around 5 million and that's too much to be a PP specialist, call it bad luck, confidence he is just terrible in his own end if he doesn't have time. He has the most turnovers next to Provy and never wins a battle, Manning didn't have his best game last night but he doesn't get much help from Ghost either . On TK's turnover , Aldo's 170 Pds and Ghost couldn't keep him to the outside to give Mason a chance on first goal , a seat won't hurt him . Last time he came back and played better, but who knows just have a feeling Hak knows more about hockey than Monoke lol.

Just don't agree at all, and I bet NHL GMs don't either, even if his value isn't sky high. Wasn't a fan of the pick at the time, I never bought into the hyperbole, and I still think he'll be a good NHLer but a complimentary bottom 4 guy. That's the hope. But he's still tracking fine. Go compare every year that McIlrath and Morin had post draft. Morin has continually developed and improved, unlike McIlrath or any other big d man reached on.

You simply cannot look at just his points. He is never used in offensive situations, only plays PK, takes all the d-zone starts, and lord knows the forwards provide no help in exiting the zone. It's not easy to score as a defensive d man only getting 5v5 and PK time. We all rave about the dynamic Sanheim.....with his 11 5v5 points but Morin's 8 is used as a slight. Usage matters (for Sanheim too). I think their scoring is probably a bit unlucky too tbh.
- Mononoke

A defenseman who can be a defensive monster that takes all the tough defensive minutes to free up the better two way players to play in the better offensive situations, is a key player. I always get a chuckle out of fans who label a player as having a certain value after watching a few AHL games.

Agree with J35 Bacher get rid of Ghost now, Provy is more than capable of playing on the number 1 Powerplay and Sanheim can run the second unit. Ghost is gonna want around 5 million and that's too much to be a PP specialist, call it bad luck, confidence he is just terrible in his own end if he doesn't have time. He has the most turnovers next to Provy and never wins a battle, Manning didn't have his best game last night but he doesn't get much help from Ghost either . On TK's turnover , Aldo's 170 Pds and Ghost couldn't keep him to the outside to give Mason a chance on first goal , a seat won't hurt him . Last time he came back and played better, but who knows just have a feeling Hak knows more about hockey than Monoke lol.
- Skinner

Gostisbehere is not getting 5M a year on his next deal. On that goal it was about positioning not size with Gostisbehere.

They may not all be tough in the mean SOB sense, but I can't think of many top Flyers or top prospects in the system that don't play a hard-nosed, hard-working, strong style of game. Not being a nasty player or a chirper or frequent pugilist =/= being soft.
- Mononoke

You just need to be competitive in the physical areas of the game. Whether your labeled as power forward or not.

A defenseman who can be a defensive monster that takes all the tough defensive minutes to free up the better two way players to play in the better offensive situations, is a key player. I always get a chuckle out of fans who label a player as having a certain value after watching a few AHL games.
- MJL

Key player? Who has been the hawks defensive d rock over their Stanley cups? Pittsburgh? La kings you could argue Matt Greene. Hardly unattainable. Karl alzner is the best one in the league takes them real far in the playoffs

Doesn't matter if you have one

Key player? Who has been the hawks defensive d rock over their Stanley cups? Pittsburgh? La kings you could argue Matt Greene. Hardly unattainable. Karl alzner is the best one in the league takes them real far in the playoffs

Doesn't matter if you have one
- Just5

Karl Alzner is not even close to close to being among the best def d in the league. He's quite overrated.

Who have the Hawks had? Perhaps the very best! Niklas Hjalmarsson. Pittsburgh had Dumoulin last year doing great work in that role.

I don't think LA had an actual good one. But they also had Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov. It doesn't matter so much if you have several great 2-way d men in general.

Key player? Who has been the hawks defensive d rock over their Stanley cups? Pittsburgh? La kings you could argue Matt Greene. Hardly unattainable. Karl alzner is the best one in the league takes them real far in the playoffs

Doesn't matter if you have one
- Just5

Have you ever heard of Niklas Hjalmarsson?

Here is the fact. Just as I don't, you have no clue how good Morin is going to be.

Karl Alzner is not even close to close to being among the best def d in the league. He's quite overrated.

Who have the Hawks had? Perhaps the very best! Niklas Hjalmarsson. Pittsburgh had Dumoulin last year doing great work in that role.

I don't think LA had an actual good one. But they also had Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov. It doesn't matter so much if you have several great 2-way d men in general.
- Mononoke

As I'm sure you know, LA plays a strong puck possession style, and Doughty flat out controls the game. They also have a strong 2 way center in Kopitar.

As I'm sure you know, LA plays a strong puck possession style, and Doughty flat out controls the game. They also have a strong 2 way center in Kopitar.
- MJL

Kop almost earn 11$and look at his stats

Have you ever heard of Niklas Hjalmarsson?

Here is the fact. Just as I don't, you have no clue how good Morin is going to be.
- MJL

guy has become absolutely vital to what they do over there. so underrated.

Karl Alzner is not even close to close to being among the best def d in the league. He's quite overrated.

Who have the Hawks had? Perhaps the very best! Niklas Hjalmarsson. Pittsburgh had Dumoulin last year doing great work in that role.

I don't think LA had an actual good one. But they also had Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov. It doesn't matter so much if you have several great 2-way d men in general.
- Mononoke

he is a very tricky player to evaluate. but in the back third of last year and the cup run, he was nothing short of incredible. then this season has been a pretty rocky one prior to breaking his jaw.

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