It would be easy to say "Hak tells them not to be aggressive" but that makes no sense.
You literally have one player in Simmonds that plays hard , hits hard, fights..problem is he also leads your team in goals..

Gudas is sort of a shell of who he was play wise.
Schenn isnt really physical but he at least produces on the power play.
TK is a bit of an agitator but oh look he is also a hobbit..

That's it, no one else brings anything physical..

G and Coots are pretty much useless right now..like Raffl, Read,VdV..

Ugh

It would be easy to say "Hak tells them not to be aggressive" but that makes no sense.
You literally have one player in Simmonds that plays hard , hits hard, fights..problem is he also leads your team in goals..

Gudas is sort of a shell of who he was play wise.
Schenn isnt really physical but he at least produces on the power play.
TK is a bit of an agitator but oh look he is also a hobbit..

That's it, no one else brings anything physical..

G and Coots are pretty much useless right now..like Raffl, Read,VdV..

Ugh
- opeth_pa

There are times I watch this team and think, take away Simmer and Provorov and we're the Avs

My armchair GM observations:

- No one played well. Best player might have been Provorov because I can't really think of a bonehead play he made really.

- Leadership on the team is lacking in my opinion. The captain is far to much a passenger then leading.

- There is no aggressive hockey. They seem to be slow on the forecheck, allow easy outs, too many one and dones.

- I know it is archaic to say but this team needs to get back to an attitude type hockey. I'll take aggressive penalties but most of the time these days they go for poopty stick infractions and careless penalties.

- Again with leadership. I understand people will point to the coach not having them ready to play but I put more on the leader and captain. He is the highest paid person on the team. He is the supposed face of the franchise and more and more he seems to be just out of it. I didn't want to say but could the new engagement have changed him? I know we need to Couturier and Schenn to do more. But they also are paid far less then what our captain makes. Maybe they need to look at moving Giroux and trying to put more depth on the roster so you don't need to rely on a line with Read and Cousins as your wingers. An 8 million dollar cap hit is hard to swallow for a player that isn't your driving force anymore.

There are times I watch this team and think, take away Simmer and Provorov and we're the Avs
- BiggE

I think a big change is needed compared to just the sit and wait approach everyone likes. I liken it back to the Richard and Carter trades. Right now this team is about 2-3 years from being a dangerous playoff team. The d prospects will need a little time and if he develops like we have seen Provorov should be an anchor on the back end playing all situations.

Just like when the team was moving on for that core and kind of handing the reign's over to Giroux, I think another shift is here. I think this team is more driven by Voracek and Simmonds. They seem to be the catalyst for the team.

I think a big change is needed compared to just the sit and wait approach everyone likes. I liken it back to the Richard and Carter trades. Right now this team is about 2-3 years from being a dangerous playoff team. The d prospects will need a little time and if he develops like we have seen Provorov should be an anchor on the back end playing all situations.

Just like when the team was moving on for that core and kind of handing the reign's over to Giroux, I think another shift is here. I think this team is more driven by Voracek and Simmonds. They seem to be the catalyst for the team.
- J35Bacher

Agreed and wouldn't have an issue in moving G for a good return..
I just have no interest in seeing this seasons version , maybe any version, of Coots as your 1c.

Agreed and wouldn't have an issue in moving G for a good return..
I just have no interest in seeing this seasons version , maybe any version, of Coots as your 1c.
- opeth_pa

I don't see him as a number one center but I did like him playing with Voracek and Konecny. That line was creating chances almost every game. It was a good line and then Couturier got hurt and Schenn moved to center.

Now Couturier is back to playing with Read and Cousins. When Couturier has legit wingers you see a difference in his game. He still needs to contribute more.

Maybe the Flyers can use their number one pick this year to try and get a promising player. I think the rangers made a great deal in getting Zibanejad.

I think a big change is needed compared to just the sit and wait approach everyone likes. I liken it back to the Richard and Carter trades. Right now this team is about 2-3 years from being a dangerous playoff team. The d prospects will need a little time and if he develops like we have seen Provorov should be an anchor on the back end playing all situations.

Just like when the team was moving on for that core and kind of handing the reign's over to Giroux, I think another shift is here. I think this team is more driven by Voracek and Simmonds. They seem to be the catalyst for the team.
- J35Bacher

Couldn't agree more. This is the time to make a "core" deal. Problem is.. Will Hextall do it and what kind of return do you really get for G at this point with that huge contract. This team is only consistent at showing no heart and getting off to slow starts

Glad I missed this one. If I'd seen it I probably would've been like the rest of you and blown a few blood vessels.

Glad I missed this one. If I'd seen it I probably would've been like the rest of you and blown a few blood vessels.
- EducatedOpinion

It seriously might have been one of the worst games I have ever watched..

If I'm Mason I go in that locker room and start punching people. The Flyers had 6 shots going into the 3rd.

I don't see him as a number one center but I did like him playing with Voracek and Konecny. That line was creating chances almost every game. It was a good line and then Couturier got hurt and Schenn moved to center.

Now Couturier is back to playing with Read and Cousins. When Couturier has legit wingers you see a difference in his game. He still needs to contribute more.

Maybe the Flyers can use their number one pick this year to try and get a promising player. I think the rangers made a great deal in getting Zibanejad.
- J35Bacher

No problem with Simmonds, g and Schenn on line 1
Jake, Coots, tk on line two..

Try it out, what I know for sure..it is not good enough what the Flyers are getting primarily from G but also from Coots.. Its even more of an issue then the troubles of everyone else as those two are such an important part of the team..

The Canes had as many goals as we had shots at one point... In the third period.

Couldn't agree more. This is the time to make a "core" deal. Problem is.. Will Hextall do it and what kind of return do you really get for G at this point with that huge contract. This team is only consistent at showing no heart and getting off to slow starts
- 3flyerkids

Could you get something like Nash brought back from the Rangers? While maybe not sexy it brought back useful pieces. I think right now, with the top end pieces being a couple years from being NHL regulars on the defense, you could make the deal and have some time to build with it.

If they want to play a 90s Devils style because Hak thinks it's their best chance to win, fine go for it. The problem is the constant boneheaded hockey 101 mistakes that this team constantly makes. With their apparent lack of attention to detail and inability to deliver a hard working 60 minute effort, style of play becomes irrelevant
- BiggE

This is spot on. The Flyers have to play a tight checking game to win because of their lack of talent. The problem is the talent they do have can't play that type of game for more than a couple of weeks at a time. They have neither the attention to detail nor the consistent checking effort to pull it off. That's why they are on their 3rd coach in 5 years.

I know how much this means to you, so I am really pulling for you
- Mononoke

Thank you for your support

The Flyers had 6 shots going into the 3rd.
- opeth_pa

And still were stuck on six shots on goal -- and just one by a forward -- for 10+ minutes of the third period until the Schenn goal. That's worse than atrocious, and south of subpar.

Just shows the fabric of this team.Not willing to work,not willing to focus,not willing to sacrifice. Over paid ,over spoiled business men who use to be hockey players.If this is what keeps happening no matter who the coach is, means the core does not have the character or skill to win.I'm so sick of these guys I can't wait for a change.I hope these kids coming have heart.Rant over.

At least they had fun.

And still were stuck on six shots on goal -- and just one by a forward -- for 10+ minutes of the third period until the Schenn goal. That's worse than atrocious, and south of subpar.
- bmeltzer

Its actually really hard to do.

Could you get something like Nash brought back from the Rangers? While maybe not sexy it brought back useful pieces. I think right now, with the top end pieces being a couple years from being NHL regulars on the defense, you could make the deal and have some time to build with it.
- J35Bacher

I think you could get more than Nash.Giroux is 4 years younger and a better player IMO. I just don't know what you could get for him.

Brutal game. Gotta give props to the Canes PP. they really can move the puck quickly.

I think you could get more than Nash.Giroux is 4 years younger and a better player IMO. I just don't know what you could get for him.
- 3flyerkids

It would be tough to get a lot more because of the cap hit Giroux has. Also it would have to be a team Giroux would waive to go to. I actually think Ottawa would work. Just not sure what would come back

And still were stuck on six shots on goal -- and just one by a forward -- for 10+ minutes of the third period until the Schenn goal. That's worse than atrocious, and south of subpar.
- bmeltzer

Hey Bill,
Do you think there is a problem of leadership with this group? As you stated, these type of games were a problem under the other coaches before Hakstol.

Cheese and rice guys

Cheese and rice guys
- Streit2ThePoint

ewww