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Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 1 @ 1:37 PM ET
Am I too straight to get this reference?
- FlyersNapTime


orangekrush2010, hello
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 1 @ 1:38 PM ET
Am I too straight to get this reference?
- FlyersNapTime


We all get together before Flyers games for gay sex. We call it Tailgayting
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 1 @ 1:38 PM ET
Hitchcock spotted at Philly International.......




































I kid I kid.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 1 @ 1:39 PM ET
Hitchcock spotted at Philly International.......




































I kid I kid.

- hockeylover


Fired Lappy and Hitch is taking his spot
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 1 @ 1:40 PM ET
Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves here. I'm merely proposing who needs to be moved and why. Replacing players is always easier than we as fans make it out to be.

We said the same crap with Richards, Carter, Forsberg, Pronger, Hartnell etc etc.

- FlyersNapTime


The Beibs would disagree.
FlyersNapTime
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.01.2017

Feb 1 @ 1:41 PM ET
orangekrush2010, hello
- Mononoke


The Expanse Season 2 Premiers tonight. If it wasn't for me googling legion and finding out about how lame that show is, I would have forgotten about the expanse.

I owe my night to you. Your pleasure is now my command.

dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 1 @ 1:42 PM ET
The Beibs would disagree.
- hockeylover

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 1 @ 1:45 PM ET
The Expanse Season 2 Premiers tonight. If it wasn't for me googling legion and finding out about how lame that show is, I would have forgotten about the expanse.

I owe my night to you. Your pleasure is now my command.

- FlyersNapTime

this thread is getting way too kinky for me
FlyersNapTime
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.01.2017

Feb 1 @ 1:45 PM ET
this thread is getting way too kinky for me
- YuenglingJagr


It did turn rather gay quickly.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 1 @ 1:45 PM ET
The Expanse Season 2 Premiers tonight. If it wasn't for me googling legion and finding out about how lame that show is, I would have forgotten about the expanse.

I owe my night to you. Your pleasure is now my command.

- FlyersNapTime



Hell yes. Double premier episode!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 1 @ 1:47 PM ET
It did turn rather gay quickly.
- FlyersNapTime

Let's get back to talking about hitting the net more
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 1 @ 1:48 PM ET
I missed almost half the game. Yet, the last half of it (the part I saw) I didn't see Hak use his timeout. Did he at any point take one last night?
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 1 @ 1:49 PM ET
Let's get back to talking about hitting the net more
- YuenglingJagr


Konalover endorses this message.


It is also possible, it might make him happy too.

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 1 @ 1:50 PM ET
Ok, PSG. I agree with some of your points about contract management, but I do think you're being a bit hindsight-y too.

Voracek is still flirting with top 10 in scoring. He's on pace for 73 points. Yes, his value would have stayed pretty stagnant, but last year was just an epic implosion for many reasons you well know. It was not expected, and it was an anomaly. He's back to being an elite star. I think he'll age well and be a key contributor for when we contend. He doesn't worry me. He's our best player.

Giroux.....I mean he was a top 10 player in the NHL on his last deal (I get your bridge deal complaint). He's fallen off way quicker than we would've thought. But this year worries me b/c his metrics are poor. He always used to be strong there, even with some down 5v5 scoring years. His value will still hold as the best PP guy in the league. I do think his 5v5 scoring is TOO bad right now. It does give me comfort (in a weird way) that the entire team can't score and most everyone has regressed. It's not like we were a strong 5v5 team to begin with. But team wide problems maybe indicate a silver lining for Giroux, that he can still score at 2C levels like last year. It's perhaps deeper than individual play. Either way, he'll still get 60+ annually for years to come, but he probably won't be THE guy.

Simmonds......ugh. No one wants to see him go, and it's not impossible to see him still be productive on his next deal as one of the core vets. But if there's a package to be had, a truly transcendental package to carry us in contention, he's the guy to get it. I think you're being a bit doom and gloom though with him. His value should hold. Hell, he's been getting better and more versatile every year perhaps. We're not there yet where I'd make such a momentous decision. Plus it's not like plenty of teams aren't contending with a few 30+ vets.

You know how much I advocated trading Schenn last year, or even Morin+ for a top 10 pick. It's still where I'd start. If you can't draft top 10, trade for or up to draft top 10 for a guy you target. They have a very deep prospect pool right now, especially on the backend. It's not unlikely that that trade you're talking about could be a d man in a few years.
FlyersNapTime
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.01.2017

Feb 1 @ 1:50 PM ET
Hell yes. Double premier episode!
- MBFlyerfan


4 year old is getting Benadryl tonight!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 1 @ 1:50 PM ET
In the summer of 2018, he'll be 1 year from free agency and 30 years old
- PhillySportsGuy



No kidding.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 1 @ 1:50 PM ET
Let's get back to talking about hitting the net more
- YuenglingJagr


Aloha ʻauinalā
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 1 @ 1:55 PM ET
He's got 4 even strength goals.

Don't cherry pick stats.

- FlyersNapTime


I see what you did..

You Cherry picked a stat to make the case not to cherry pick stats..

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 1 @ 1:59 PM ET
Had we been more patient with Bob, we'd be in a much better position.

Even trading Hartnell was a stupid move. The guy is still producing. I'd take Hartnell over Schenn at this point.

- FlyersNapTime



I find it interesting that Schenn has more goals and points than Hartnell does. Is Schenn not producing?
FlyersNapTime
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.01.2017

Feb 1 @ 1:59 PM ET
I see what you did..

You Cherry picked a stat to make the case not to cherry pick stats..

- opeth_pa


Yes. I like you.
FlyersNapTime
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.01.2017

Feb 1 @ 2:00 PM ET
I find it interesting that Schenn has more goals and points than Hartnell does. Is Schenn not producing?
- MJL


Schenn is nothing without the power play.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 1 @ 2:00 PM ET
If Giroux isn't an elite player, but is being paid like an elite player, then why would a team give up anything significant for him?

No one is going to give you equal value for Giroux. Trading Giroux is basically just signaling that you're going to go for a full rebuild.

- PhillySportsGuy



You can retain salary in trades now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 1 @ 2:01 PM ET
Schenn is nothing without the power play.
- FlyersNapTime



You dodged the question.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 1 @ 2:01 PM ET
I find it interesting that Schenn has more goals and points than Hartnell does. Is Schenn not producing?
- MJL

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 1 @ 2:04 PM ET
With 8m in cap space you get better role players.

You upgrade your 3rd and 4th line and your 3rd pairing dmen.

I'm not talking about Boyd Gordon and Dale Weise. I'm talking about players who can produce and/or defend at the NHL level while guiding your prospects into the NHL.

- FlyersNapTime



Trading Giroux to upgrade the lower lines and 3rd pairing on defense is a great idea. Most teams will trade a top player to do that. Solid strategy.
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