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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 31 @ 3:42 PM ET
So, which Preds team is turning up? In fact which Pens team is rolling through as well??
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 3:48 PM ET
He would sign the question is the dollar figure. Tatar I could argue is a better UFA target than anyone who was on the market last year. I don't know if signing Tatar is worth 6+ a year (which he could likely get UFA) or if Tatar would take a discount to sign a year earlier and to play for pittsburgh. That 1 year of RFA control isn't a ton of leverage to force a discount price.
- sditulli


I dunno man, I think you're grasping at straws here personally. 4.5mil x 5 years would likely get it done. Coming in as an RFA, chance to play with Sid/Geno and with good chance at the cup... comparable contracts I'd look at the Mike Hoffman, Alex Killorn, Kyle Palmieri, Chris Kreider'ish contracts. Highly doubt he gets 6+ a year, and I don't even think 4.5-5x5 is a discount price. It's a fair deal.
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jan 31 @ 4:09 PM ET
I dunno man, I think you're grasping at straws here personally. 4.5mil x 5 years would likely get it done. Coming in as an RFA, chance to play with Sid/Geno and with good chance at the cup... comparable contracts I'd look at the Mike Hoffman, Alex Killorn, Kyle Palmieri, Chris Kreider'ish contracts. Highly doubt he gets 6+ a year, and I don't even think 4.5-5x5 is a discount price. It's a fair deal.
- j.boyd919



Hoffman is only contract that supports your thesis. 1 year of rfa plus 3 ufa years at about 5.2/year. He's a slightly better player. 2 years of inflation in players salaries though (if you assume league revenue/canadian dollar goes up should be about 7-8% higher salary). Cancel out the better player and inflation then 5.2 per year on 4 should be fair. Hoffman was the cheapest deal of those guys.

Killorn isn't a good comp. Killorn isn't true top 6. Inferior player especially as goal scorer. 4.5 per year. MASSIVE TERM. Killorn implies Tatar will take 7 year deal worth 5.5 to 6.

Palmieri isn't a comp. RFA deal mostly. 5 year deal. 3RFA years. 2 UFA years. 4.5 per year. Signed after only 1 good year. Palmier deal implies Tatar deal would be 5 years 30 million.

I'd say Tatar is about close to Lucic or Ericcson. Maybe a little worse but not much. All imply 6 per year UFA.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 4:23 PM ET
Hoffman is only contract that supports your thesis. 1 year of rfa plus 3 ufa years at about 5.2/year. He's a slightly better player. 2 years of inflation in players salaries though (if you assume league revenue/canadian dollar goes up should be about 7-8% higher salary). Cancel out the better player and inflation then 5.2 per year on 4 should be fair. Hoffman was the cheapest deal of those guys.

Killorn isn't a good comp. Killorn isn't true top 6. Inferior player especially as goal scorer. 4.5 per year. MASSIVE TERM. Killorn implies Tatar will take 7 year deal worth 5.5 to 6.

Palmieri isn't a comp. RFA deal mostly. 5 year deal. 3RFA years. 2 UFA years. 4.5 per year. Signed after only 1 good year. Palmier deal implies Tatar deal would be 5 years 30 million.

I'd say Tatar is about close to Lucic or Ericcson. Maybe a little worse but not much. All imply 6 per year UFA.

- sditulli


Actually wasn't much of a thesis, I was just looking at players cap hits, age, and production, much like I did when I was projecting Murray's new deal (which I was spot on with.) You also did much more digging than I did. Ya might be right, I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong, but I'd be extremely surprised if Tatar got 6 million a year.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 31 @ 5:06 PM ET
Malkins better than Toews.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Jan 31 @ 5:07 PM ET
Some good news, Daniel Sprong has been actually playing with Charlottetown. He has 9 points in 10 games on a pretty weak squad. He will be available for the playoff run if we need him due to injury. And he will be in the NHL next season finally.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Jan 31 @ 5:07 PM ET
I'd gladly take DP, a 1st, and a Blueger/Bjorkvist type prospect for Tatar.
- Feds91Stammer

No, too much. Not ready to give up on Pouliot, 1st round picks are too valuable and Blueger has been slow to develop but he is playing well now and Bjotkvist is an unknown at this point. Would like to see what we have there next year. How are we going to protect Tatar in the expansion draft with everyone else that needs protection? Maybe in the offseason I would make a counter offer but not now.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 5:13 PM ET
No
- Dcoms


lol...
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jan 31 @ 5:39 PM ET
Actually wasn't much of a thesis, I was just looking at players cap hits, age, and production, much like I did when I was projecting Murray's new deal (which I was spot on with.) You also did much more digging than I did. Ya might be right, I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong, but I'd be extremely surprised if Tatar got 6 million a year.
- j.boyd919


We have him for 1 Rfa year. I'd consider okposo 7 year 42 deal would be a good comp for what he would look for on ufa deal. While also signing 2 years later with cap up 7-8%. 1 year piling up point with Crosby would boost his ufa deal.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 5:57 PM ET
We have him for 1 Rfa year. I'd consider okposo 7 year 42 deal would be a good comp for what he would look for on ufa deal. While also signing 2 years later with cap up 7-8%. 1 year piling up point with Crosby would boost his ufa deal.
- sditulli


He needs a new contract after this season. He's not gonna sign a 1 year deal just to get to ufa. He's gonna sign a 5-6 year deal to get paid.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 31 @ 6:16 PM ET
No, too much. Not ready to give up on Pouliot, 1st round picks are too valuable and Blueger has been slow to develop but he is playing well now and Bjotkvist is an unknown at this point. Would like to see what we have there next year. How are we going to protect Tatar in the expansion draft with everyone else that needs protection? Maybe in the offseason I would make a counter offer but not now.
- Dcoms


Rutherford will pull the trigger on that deal as fast as he can pull his flip-phone out of his pocket.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 6:26 PM ET
No, too much. Not ready to give up on Pouliot, 1st round picks are too valuable and Blueger has been slow to develop but he is playing well now and Bjotkvist is an unknown at this point. Would like to see what we have there next year. How are we going to protect Tatar in the expansion draft with everyone else that needs protection? Maybe in the offseason I would make a counter offer but not now.
- Dcoms


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 6:28 PM ET
No, too much. Not ready to give up on Pouliot, 1st round picks are too valuable and Blueger has been slow to develop but he is playing well now and Bjotkvist is an unknown at this point. Would like to see what we have there next year. How are we going to protect Tatar in the expansion draft with everyone else that needs protection? Maybe in the offseason I would make a counter offer but not now.
- Dcoms


Uhh... Sid, Geno, Kessel, Tatar, Hagelin/Hornqvist, whatever other 2 forwards float your boat. And then letang, maatta, dumo... that was pretty easy.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 31 @ 7:14 PM ET
Number 37 should be off limits.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 7:22 PM ET
Number 37 should be off limits.
- Grinder47


Who?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 31 @ 7:23 PM ET
Number 37 should be off limits.
- Grinder47


You a big fan of Kip Miller?
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jan 31 @ 7:32 PM ET
You a big fan of Kip Winger?
- madmike71

Fixed...
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jan 31 @ 7:33 PM ET
And there ya go.
Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jan 31 @ 7:34 PM ET
Preds get the opening goal, due to OM lack of speed. I really wish they would move him in deal.
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Jan 31 @ 7:36 PM ET
Fixed...
- Reverend Killtaker


acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Jan 31 @ 7:37 PM ET
Preds get the opening goal, due to OM lack of speed. I really wish they would move him in deal.
- Thorny


He was brutal in that shift.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 31 @ 7:39 PM ET
Preds get the opening goal, due to OM lack of speed. I really wish they would move him in deal.
- Thorny


Still... That goal was sof.

Kuni!
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jan 31 @ 7:39 PM ET
Kunitz probably tore his labrum with that rip lol.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 31 @ 7:39 PM ET
Kunitz is still worth a haglin and a half.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 31 @ 7:43 PM ET
And there ya go.
- Reverend Killtaker


F Fleury.
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